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InvisibleSwami
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A Healing Experiment
    #939660 - 10/07/02 01:20 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Really want to advance spiritually? Try this thought experiment and post either why you could not do it or what you felt after you did it. Here goes:

Sit in a chair in a dark, quiet area. Do some deep, slow breathing and attempt to quiet your mind of daily trivia. Once settled, picture the person that you most hate in the entire world sitting directly across from you. Someone that has deeply wronged you. Someone that you wish was never born. That person who you would like to see die a horrible, painful death. No denial here. Don't pretend that you are too nice for these types of primal thoughts. Complete honesty is required. Feel the intense hatred. Once your emotions have peaked...

Now forgive that person for every real and imagined hurt ever done to you. Send that person waves of light, warmth and love. This will initially be impossible. Examine your blockages and thoughts. Stay with it. Believe me you will resist doing it even on an imaginary level. This may take several sessions to complete. When you can honestly send loving thoughts with no judgement or reservation, no residual anger, then come back here and report.



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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #939717 - 10/07/02 01:35 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i wish death upon no man, can it be somebody that i would just like to beat the living fuck out of?

i can imagine this is going to take me quite a while...


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #939718 - 10/07/02 01:36 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I'm sending you "waves of light, warmth and love". Don't you feel a lot better now?
seriously. do you feel it?


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #939730 - 10/07/02 01:39 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I will try this later to night... I am posting now so I will remember.


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #940076 - 10/07/02 03:26 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Swami-
Maybe I just need more time... but I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to think happy thoughts about ______ ever again. I don't wish death (horrible or other) on ______, but nice thoughts... I don't think so.


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: infidelGOD]
    #940492 - 10/07/02 06:03 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

It is not about the other, but about yourself. The other will not feel anything unless you physically interact with him/her.


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Sclorch]
    #940501 - 10/07/02 06:05 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Of course it is extremely difficult, but that is why it is such a powerful exercise in clearing internal emotional blocks.


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #940545 - 10/07/02 06:19 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I have tried somethign like this.....but all in all i just lie to myself..i still want that fuck to die. cause ya'll know when a best friend stabs you in the back, there is no forgiveness. atleast for a long time. Its like telling Ben Ladin(sp), its ok that you killed thousands, we don't care.....i could almost do it, but the bush adm won't budget, they all full of hate and rage all the time


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: GrowingVines]
    #940569 - 10/07/02 06:26 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Of course people would rather avoid this and talk about aliens or other fun stuff that requires NO change. Real spiritual growth takes courage. One will find a thousand reasons not to successfully complete the experiment.

Even if one cannot do it, you will at least become more familiar with your own dark side (revenge, anger, hatred, retribution) instead of pretending that you (not you specifically) are pure and beautiful.


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #940639 - 10/07/02 06:58 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i know i am not pure and beautiful. I know i will never be pure or my darkness. I wish i could be a peace with everyone and everything, but yes there are deep dark desires that most people have. I try to better myself by trying to be a peace with myself but there are times when it is very hard to stay incontroll, infact that is one of my worst fears....the fear of losing controll. I never want to lose control, i want to be in a state of peace and tranquility. But there are times when you need to have Anger and Hatred to servive.

peace out my brothers, for everyone has a bit of insanity in them


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #940714 - 10/07/02 07:20 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

So I take it you didn't receive the love?  :smile:
 


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #940734 - 10/07/02 07:27 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

That's a good visualization Swami...very powerful one at that for people who carry a lot of hatred around. Cleansing ritual...

Here's a good one for anyone who wants to try it... try imagining yourself sitting the other chair. Visualizing loving, healing light emitting from you at any time can be cleansing.


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Shroomism]
    #940742 - 10/07/02 07:29 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, but it is an even better experiment for people who think they carry little hatred and anger. Self delusion and denial are some of the biggest obstacles to growth.

Your experiment is also great for those with self esteem problems.


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #941111 - 10/07/02 09:26 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Actually, thats a fantastic experiment Swami, I think I'll try this one. I agree that spirituality must be about change- from the inside, changing yourself, your conciousness and growing as a person. This is one great way to do it.


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #941153 - 10/07/02 09:39 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

A wise old man once told me that any hatred we have for another person, is actually a reflection of our own hatred for ourselves. We see in others the dark side in ourself. Connected...


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Shroomism]
    #941166 - 10/07/02 09:45 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Aww, you weren't supposed to reveal the "punchline". People need to discover this truth for themselves. You probably spoil the tricks at a David Copperfield show...


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Shroomism]
    #941170 - 10/07/02 09:48 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Ah yes, I've known this one for awhile, I heard the same thing. But it does kinda make the experience harder to actually go through if you know the "answer"


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #941180 - 10/07/02 09:55 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I was joking, it is still very effective. Most people cannot do it the first time, but discover a lot about themselves either way.


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #941216 - 10/07/02 10:19 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Indeed, you do find out alot about yourself durning this experiment, indeed, i did find that the hate i had for this certain person we really a mirror of other reason to hate ones self.

peace out my brothers, for everyone as a little bit of insanity in them


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #941447 - 10/08/02 01:20 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

swami... i tried... but i cannot find one single human beeing i have that amount of hate for... there is a few people i kind of "dislike", but that is ok... they show me parts of myself i have to work on... and therefore i am grateful for their existance, although i must say it is hard to accept... but it is a great experiment, nontheless...


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #941773 - 10/08/02 06:27 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Even if one cannot do it, you will at least become more familiar with your own dark side (revenge, anger, hatred, retribution) instead of pretending that you (not you specifically) are pure and beautiful.

Since I am quite familiar with my darkside and I do not pretend to be pure and beautiful, am I one up on those people or one down?  I Know that I am more evil than good in the normalistic views of morality.  All joking aside, I could kill a human more easily than an animal.  Animals are running on instinct and survival skills.  Humans generally operate on greed, lust, fear, etc.  I hear these stories about a bear mauling a camper at yellowstone(example) and then they kill the bear.  Fuck that.  If you invade the territory of an 800 pound killing machine and you die, tough shit.  Hell, maybe it was god working his "WAY" through the bear. 

On to the experiment.  I failed.  Very badly failed.  I will let you know if I ever can do it.  I doubt it.  Well maybe when I get old and sentimental.  :smile: 


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #941852 - 10/08/02 07:02 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Of course people would rather avoid this and talk about aliens or other fun stuff that requires NO change. Real spiritual growth takes courage.

I got a lot more spiritual growth from the aliens than I ever did from meditation. Like Tim Leary said - meditation as a means of achieving spiritual growth works for 1 in 100,000 people.


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Xlea321]
    #941971 - 10/08/02 08:08 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I outlined one HIGHLY SPECIFIC experiment that anyone can try almost anywhere and anytime with no danger (unlike consuming 10gs of potent mushrooms). Please give a step-by-step methodology showing how anyone can easily contact and utilize the healing power of aliens.


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #942185 - 10/08/02 10:04 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Check out This guy :grin: 


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Xlea321]
    #943876 - 10/08/02 09:05 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Meditation as a tool for spiritual growth only works for 1 in 100,000 people? I don't care who said it, that is one of the biggest crocks of shit I've ever heard. Maybe if one is so impatient they try to meditate for 10 minutes and then say, huh, I don't feel enightened, meditation doesn't work! Dur.... Seems like a more healthy way to grow spiritually than dosing yourself with LSD Mr. Leary.


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #943963 - 10/08/02 09:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Please give a step-by-step methodology showing how anyone can easily contact and utilize the healing power of aliens.

When the person is ready the teacher appears.


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    #943969 - 10/08/02 09:43 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Seems like a more healthy way to grow spiritually than dosing yourself with LSD Mr. Leary.

The really serious meditators - the ones who actually have mystical experiences - usually have to shut themselves in pitch black caves and starve themselves for 6 months until their brains are so stressed they start hallucinating. Is that really better for your health than using mushrooms?


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #944379 - 10/09/02 02:58 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

After 10 years (this October 7th was the anniversary) since the night my first marriage died, I have been practicing forgiveness. Ten years! So, I don't know how long it will take your experiment, or how genuine the forgiveness reported, or how deeply the hurt incurred by your subjects.

Ten years ago, the ex removed the handgun from the bedroom, because she thought I might kill her. I removed the hollow points from the gun because I thought she might kill me and make up a story to cover herself. All I could think of after the initial pain was, 'there is a world of women out there for me.' Of course, that was a mere crisis strategy - it wasn't that easy. Only one, drunk, livid visit at 6:00 AM after being up all night - screaming epithets at the bedroom window, as yet another car appeared in the driveway...followed by a letter from her lawyer filled with made up things.

Hurt was replaced by anger (I don't know if hate actually entered the picture, because I didn't want to become demonized). Anger shared psychic space with understanding of her dual-diagnosis (Axis I: Alcohol Dependence, Axis II: Borderline Personality Disorder with Antisocial and Sadistic Features); and of course a plethora of associated feelings - loss, regret, humiliation.

Even now, I sometimes wish I could show up with my Lady, or send a video of the great home I have, or a copy of an inheritance check I received, which are all childish attachments. I still have dreams about that person - no longer emotional nightmares, but disturbing nevertheless. Neither prayer, nor self-hypnosis have helped with residual feelings, only time elapsed and the love of a good woman have. When you open your heart to a 'deceiver,' and that deceiver enters in to your heart like a 'bull in a China shop,' long term damage can be the result. I have grown tremendously say the people who know me. Those people who told me that there was a purpose for the pain, and that even that dark cloud would one day have a silver lining were correct after all, but one still needs to carry pain. Forgiveness is very different from forgetting.


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: postalboy]
    #945247 - 10/09/02 11:41 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I'm sitting here with a notepad that i write poetry in with my experience relating to this experiment jotted down when i read the exact point i was going for written by shroomism. something like the dark one sees in others being a reflection of the dark in one's self.
my "must be center of attention" ex girlfriend who i broke up with started dating and banging one of my best friends. i hated this girl. i put a lot of time into thinking about why i hated her. she was spoiled and self absorbed. i called her the social parasite because she jumped from one group of friends to the other shitting on everyone in her path. worse yet she tried, quite successfully, to orchestrate all of her relationships useing people like me as pons to get to people she really wanted. i realized that this was a huge waste of time and not healthy so i really tried to forgive her in my head. it took time but when i started thinking like this i realized that what she saw as justified in her reality was just a product of her self-absorbed nature and the way she had been nurtured or neglected. i considered my self a humble person and realized that, that was a lie because it was the cause of me hating her self-absorbedness therefore making me the antithesis of humble. now i realize that the only reason for her affecting me negatively would be for me to respond negatively.


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: littlewing]
    #945594 - 10/09/02 02:13 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Most impressive littlewing. I am glad you got something out of this. Now try shroomism's variation and picture yourself in the other chair. Try to discover the parts of you that seem unlovable and send them love anyways. "Seem" is the key word.


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Re: A Healing Experiment [Re: Swami]
    #948782 - 10/10/02 09:52 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry, i can't do it. People just don't get me upset. I can shrug it off like the best of them. Even this past summer when some dude attacked me, the fight went on for a whille before i made myself get mad and fight harder.... i guess i could force being mad but the anger definitely won't come from a person...


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