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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: tak]
#9370416 - 12/05/08 02:55 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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authorities can eavesdrop on without a warrant, without the phone having to even be powered on in some cases.
What?? Do you have any proof of this? Doesn't make sense IMO
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When I made a call to highway patrol using my girlfriends phone, they referred to me by my real name without knowing anything but the phone # and that it was a male's voice.
Huh? Maybe if they KNEW your g/f and that you were her b/f, otherwise how could this be remotely possible?
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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: J3illy]
#9370613 - 12/05/08 05:33 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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J3illy said: What?? Do you have any proof of this? Doesn't make sense IMO
This quote was taken from: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061203-8343.html
Not sure how reliable it is, but it was the first of 131,000 search results on google.
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Cell phones are capable of providing more information about us and our whereabouts than we usually realize. We familiar with the ability of cell phones to be used to track users' locations, but now the FBI has begun using them for eavesdropping—even when they are turned off.
The FBI's activities came to light in the course of the prosecution of two alleged members of the Genovese crime family. John Ardito and Peter Peluso had their Sprint Nextel phones tapped by the FBI in the course of their investigations, which itself is not unusual. The government went a step further in their case: not only were their phone calls recordded, but so were all conversations carried out in the presence of the defendants' cell phones.
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J3illy said: Huh? Maybe if they KNEW your g/f and that you were her b/f, otherwise how could this be remotely possible?
She doesn't know anyone who works there. But fuck man, your guess is as good as mine.
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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: tak]
#9370623 - 12/05/08 05:41 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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The FBI reported more than 100 possible violations to an intelligence oversight board over the past two years, including cases in which agents tapped the wrong telephone, intercepted the wrong e-mails or continued to listen to conversations after a warrant had expired, according to a report issued yesterday.
In one case, the FBI obtained the contents of 181 telephone calls rather than just the billing records to which it was entitled. In another, a communication was monitored for more than a year after eavesdropping should have ended -- although investigators blamed a third-party provider for the mix-up.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/08/AR2006030802132.html
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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: tak]
#9370751 - 12/05/08 07:01 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Caller ID??
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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: MHbound]
#9374706 - 12/05/08 06:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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MHbound said: Caller ID??
without knowing anything but the phone # and that it was a male's voice.
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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: tak]
#9374751 - 12/05/08 06:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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tak said: This quote was taken from: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061203-8343.html
Not sure how reliable it is, but it was the first of 131,000 search results on google.
Just read the story - they had "roving bugs" installed, which totally explains it - and although it claims that many phones can have these remotely activated, I just don't buy it. A federal judge also had to authorize the whole thing. The technology for this "roving bug", being able to transmit conversations when the phone is off, sounds advanced and expensive. I doubt many phones have them - why would manufacturers spend extra money on them, ya kno? I would like to see more info on it tho if it's out there.
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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: J3illy]
#9375027 - 12/05/08 07:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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MHbound said: Caller ID??
without knowing anything but the phone # and that it was a male's voice.
I can get your name, and often times address...Just with your phone number. It costs me a few dollars, but I would imagine the police etc have it for free. And probably have some type of caller id, but a little more advanced.
I could be wrong.
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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: MHbound]
#9377438 - 12/06/08 05:56 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're missing the point, it wasn't his phone he was calling from but rather his girlfriend's phone.
Depending on how regularly you use your girlfriend's phone (to order shit like food, or place reservations etc.) it *may* make sense for them to have your name in some sort of uber reverse-lookup directory but even then that's really odd and discomforting.
If you have never used her phone before or rarely use it then there must be something else going on. G'luck with that m8.
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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: Humility]
#9377535 - 12/06/08 06:58 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ohhhhhhh. He used his GF's phone, and they knew who he was. That is strange. I have no explanation there.
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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: J3illy]
#9383344 - 12/07/08 02:35 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I used her phone pretty frequently for stuff like that. Nothing official, but just random BS on occasion. This is how i figure they had it, but like you said still kinda freaky since its not really listed under my name, etc.
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J3illy said: Just read the story - they had "roving bugs" installed, which totally explains it
From what I understand, a roving bug is nothing more than a name given to the process. It is not a piece of hardware installed on their phones or anything.
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J3illy said: although it claims that many phones can have these remotely activated, I just don't buy it.
Not trying to be a dick, but what exactly do you not buy. This is fact, not opinion. If you are trying to close your eyes and pretend it can't happen because you don't want it to happen that is fine, but do so in the comfort of your own mind.
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J3illy said: The technology for this "roving bug", being able to transmit conversations when the phone is off, sounds advanced and expensive. I doubt many phones have them - why would manufacturers spend extra money on them, ya kno? I would like to see more info on it tho if it's out there.
It doesn't sound advanced or expensive to me. I mean, yeah the phone's might be expensive, but its you and I who are buying them, not the government 
Your phone is made to transmit voice via wireless signal, that is what a cell phone is. How can the phone being used for the same exact purpose be considered "Advanced?" The only thing that could be considered advanced is the feature known as speaker phone, which I guess allows the mic to pick up sounds from greater distance.
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J3illy said: A federal judge also had to authorize the whole thing.
You do need a judge to sign off for this to happen, but as proven in the other post...it's not always the case. To think that big brother is not in with the telecommunication companies is silly. I mean come on, read the newspaper. There are countless whitsleblowers from these companies saying that the government is data mining vast amounts of all information passing through.
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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: J3illy]
#9385346 - 12/07/08 02:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, I used to be a military intelligence analyst. I can tell you beyond a reasonable doubt that big brother has both the capability and intent to listen in on you. Not only that, they can intercept your texts. There exists a software program that screens phone calls and texts for keywords. The keyword trigger will cause more of your communications to be intercepted. In addition, if you are caught doing something illegal, they could retrieve all of your communications to find your associates (think about Kwame Kilpatrick and countless others) We are talking about a government that spends in excess of $118 Billion a year to arrest and prosecute petty marijuana users. We are talking about a government that in 2006 told the United Nations that a "Drug Free" planet is in sight! They are out of control and my best advice would be to code word everything. Limit conversations on the phone to small sentences. You never know who is watching and listening. It may sound like paranoia, but a little paranoia will keep your ass out of the slammer! Good luck to everyone! Keep your eye on the prize. No government can rid the world of shrooms!
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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: fastfred]
#9386910 - 12/07/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Are you suggesting that they store terabytes of data just to piss people off and kiss BB's ass?
And your suggesting that they wouldn't spend $1000.00 on a 10 TB harddrive to do so.
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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: MustNotBe]
#9387063 - 12/07/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea...It really isn't that much money when you think about it. I have a couple of TB that I got for like a few hundred I don't remember anymore.
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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: tak]
#9393185 - 12/08/08 03:56 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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J3illy said: The technology for this "roving bug", being able to transmit conversations when the phone is off, sounds advanced and expensive. I doubt many phones have them - why would manufacturers spend extra money on them, ya kno? I would like to see more info on it tho if it's out there.
Your phone is made to transmit voice via wireless signal, that is what a cell phone is. How can the phone being used for the same exact purpose be considered "Advanced?"
It is neither expensive or advanced, its just a software upgrade. The telco can push new software on to your phone whenever they feel like it.
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