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amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference??
    #9392308 - 12/08/08 01:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

ok i know this is a total noob question, but whatever i thought id ask anyway because i really have no idea.

whats the difference between psyclobin and amanita muscaria?

i guess both are obviously different chemicals, and i think amanita muscaria is legal... only bc ive seen it for sale online on a salvia supply website... but whats the difference in terms of effect and what it does to your brain?

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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: pianoblack]
    #9392646 - 12/08/08 02:40 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

the chemicals in A.muscaria make it more of a delerius trip than psilocybin


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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: pianoblack]
    #9393056 - 12/08/08 03:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Psilocybin is a tryptamine which mimics seratonin (bonds to seratonin receptors) and makes you "trip". 

Muscimol (A. muscaria active alkaloid) is affects GABA receptors (GABA is the inhibitory NT), which results in a delirious state.  Muscarine (also in A. muscaria) does the same except with acetylcholine receptors.  The resulting effects are a delirious state, very different from the effects of psilocybin.

Welcome to the Shroomery and try doing a search if you want more info, there's tons of it on this site.

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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: Set]
    #9393078 - 12/08/08 03:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

alright, i think i have a better idea of the difference in effects. thanks :laugh:


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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: pianoblack]
    #9393300 - 12/08/08 04:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: krosmo67]
    #9393305 - 12/08/08 04:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I have taken them both at the same time, its a real good mind ravager:thumbup:


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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: pianoblack]
    #9393322 - 12/08/08 04:19 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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alright, i think i have a better idea of the difference in effects. thanks :laugh:




No you don't.

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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: El Zorro]
    #9395149 - 12/08/08 08:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i seen them all around my place in the fall but i dont wanna pick the wrong one!


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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: MyCoFiend420]
    #9395165 - 12/08/08 08:55 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yes there are DEADLY look alikes, only a trusted mycologist should ID them for consumption.


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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9395195 - 12/08/08 08:59 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

ya arent they supposed to have rings or circles around the base of the stem


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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: MyCoFiend420]
    #9395225 - 12/08/08 09:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I couldn't tell you the user 'entropymancer' know a lot about amanita.  I would ask him for specific traits of Amanita Muscaria.


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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: pianoblack]
    #9395787 - 12/08/08 10:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

You definitely do not want to pick the wrong mushroom. I wrote a Guide to Hunting Fly Agarics. You should definitely read that before picking any. It's written as a guide to picking them in North America, and talks specifically about the look-alikes that occur on this continent. If you live on a different continent, there may be other look-alikes.

Even after reading the guide, I recommend posting pics in the Mushroom Hunting forum to get your ID confirmed (be sure to take pics of the base of the stipe, being careful not to overhandle the base when you pick it).

We don't want anyone eating the wrong mushroom and losing their kidneys.





As to your original question... I know you admitted it was a n00b question, but I feel it's necessary to say that, based on your question, you probably shouldn't even consider eating fly agarics until you've done some serious research. I often respond to questions about Amanita muscaria, but I skipped over this one just because the question was so fundamentally flawed.

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whats the difference between psyclobin and amanita muscaria?




First off, what in god's name is psyclobin? I'm guessing you meant psilocybin?

Second, asking what the difference is between psilocybin mushrooms and fly agarics is not a useful question. It's like asking what the difference is between prozac and klonopins. Or the difference between amphetamine and GHB.  The drugs are not related. The experiences are not similar. Sure, they both come from mushrooms, but why should that mean there are any substantial similarities to be drawn between the experiences?

About the only thing they have in common is that they are both entheogenic at the proper dosage. But psilocybes are clearly psychedelic, while fly agarics really aren't. Psilocybin is a 5HT2 agonist drug, while muscimol is an agonist at the GABA-A receptor (this is a receptor where alcohol, benzodiazepines, and ambien all exert their primary action).

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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: pianoblack]
    #9397635 - 12/09/08 04:55 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Theres an ebook "Herb of immortality" all about the history of amanitas and different methods of preparation available on this site: http://ambrosiasociety.org/
Amongst other fascinating methods, it lists in detail one method of preparation whereby you get effects as powerful as lsd or psilocybin, worth looking into!

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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: mojogoat]
    #9403981 - 12/10/08 01:12 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I've been reading through that pdf... So far I've come across a shitload of terrible speculation to support unfounded hypotheses (the author talks about the "ancestors ate manna in the desert" bits of the bible as supporting A muscaria in judao-christian history, while everyone know A muscaria doesn't grow in the fucking desert), and a lot of misconstrued biblical passages.  I've come accross boatloads of misinformation about the chemistry of the mushroom... there's plenty of evidence that the author has aboslutely no fucking clue what he's talking about when addressing matters of chemistry.... and seems to have a profound ability to misinterpret the established chemical literature.

I haven't yet gotten to the part where he talks about a preparation method that is as powerful as psilocybe mushrooms or LSD, but that's a completely ambiguous and disingenous claim.  It's like talking about a method of preparing cannabis so that it's as strong as alcohol.... Just what does "strong" mean here? How can the relative strenght of completely different experiences be measured on a single continuum.

Unless the remainder of the document redeems the gross abundance of misinformation in the parts that I've read, I strongly recommend that no one take any advice given in the document... So far, it seems like complete and utter rubbish.

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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9405748 - 12/10/08 11:48 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9411148 - 12/11/08 05:46 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Far from being rubbish, the pdf gives some accurate techniques for amanita preparation , as well as repeatedly warning the user about the dangers of drinking carbonated beverages along with amanita. Seems pretty responsible to me. Other users on this forum have a high regard for the guy who wrote this document, Donald Teeter, and having actually read what he has to say about the various methods of ingestion, I think that his ideas bear dissemination. His actual recipes have been posted on here before without any cries of dismay. But, opinions differ.
As for his claim regarding a powerful method of preparing the fly agaric in order to make it more psychoactive, well it could be disingenuous if he's lying. I suppose the only way to find out would be to try it! I have some fly agaric curing at the moment and am prepared to put my money where my mouth is, and try it. Will post a report when i do!

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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9411491 - 12/11/08 08:38 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes there are DEADLY look alikes, only a trusted mycologist should ID them for consumption.



Not of the red variety, if you can name one poisonous mushrooms (or any mushroom at all.) that is red with white spots, even if it has no other resemblance to it, I would cut off all my hair I have been growing for the past 5 years.

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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: The Centre]
    #9411895 - 12/11/08 10:17 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Cognitive_Shift said:
Yes there are DEADLY look alikes, only a trusted mycologist should ID them for consumption.



Not of the red variety, if you can name one poisonous mushrooms (or any mushroom at all.) that is red with white spots, even if it has no other resemblance to it, I would cut off all my hair I have been growing for the past 5 years.




Amanita parcivolvata.  Time fer a haircut son.


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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9412191 - 12/11/08 11:24 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Entropymancer said:
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Cognitive_Shift said:
Yes there are DEADLY look alikes, only a trusted mycologist should ID them for consumption.



Not of the red variety, if you can name one poisonous mushrooms (or any mushroom at all.) that is red with white spots, even if it has no other resemblance to it, I would cut off all my hair I have been growing for the past 5 years.




Amanita parcivolvata.  Time fer a haircut son.






Is it poisonous?

And that bulb is a total give-away.

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Re: amanita muscaria/psyclobin. difference?? [Re: The Centre]
    #9412372 - 12/11/08 12:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Doesn't matter. You said "(or any mushroom at all)
that is red with white spots"

Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

I want pics of the bald head.

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