Home | Community | Message Board

Kratom Eye
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Offlinehazey
Male


Registered: 01/20/08
Posts: 2,277
Last seen: 8 years, 9 months
paid way too much for car - what are my rights?
    #9384638 - 12/07/08 12:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

well i got a car from a dealership on friday. the 07 car is used, and the high kbb on it is 13,000. i went in unaware of the kbb price, and even after talking the dealership down several times, the selling price was 14,500 which is the kbb for the 08 models. i signed the contract thinking that 14,500 was the kbb on the car. in my state there is no rescission period.

now i know they took advantage of me, and it was my fault for signing the contract in good faith, but i also think the contract is phony since it is based on a 2008 vehicle not my 2007.

now i put 1500 down. i called the dealership after consulting some people and figuring out the actually value of the car, and told them since i paid 1500 more than what i should have, i want my down payment back with the same monthly payments and interest rates and said otherwise they take the car back or i will take it to court on the basis of them knowingly giving me a price estimate/contract for a 2008 model.

they said they will talk to their financial managers and to call them back tomorrow. they did constantly tell me there is no rescission in our state and that once i sign the contract thats it im done. but i kept reminding them they took advantage of me and that is not acceptable.

i know a contract is a contract, and it has my signature, but i wasnt aware i was paying 2008 prices for a 2007 vehicle. even after talking them down several times.

what are your guys thoughts on this? do i have a reasonable fight? i mean, with the economy doing what its doing they have no excuse to pull this shit on people right now.

i like the car, but i want my fair price or no car at all. how can i get around the rescission law?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTri High
Whigro
 User Gallery

Registered: 05/02/08
Posts: 11,769
Loc: Monaghan, Ireland
Last seen: 11 years, 11 months
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: hazey]
    #9384799 - 12/07/08 12:50 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

fraud accusations.


--------------------
you just need money to get laid - starfire_xes


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebadchad
Mad Scientist

Registered: 03/02/05
Posts: 13,373
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: Tri High]
    #9384838 - 12/07/08 12:58 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think there is any way you'd win something like this. 

You are talking about 1500 on a 14k car.  Thats roughly 10%.  Look around at different dealerships, a 10% fluctuation in price for a car is certainly normal (especially when taking options into account).

Also, I don't think there is any legal reason why a dealer has to give you the kbb price in the first place.  Its simply a guide, and again, sounds like you're within 10% of that anyway.

Lastly, as you said, a contract is a contract.

You got screwed by a slimy car salesman.  What law do you think they broke?  If car salesman could be arrested for shafting people a lot more would be in jail.


--------------------
...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehazey
Male


Registered: 01/20/08
Posts: 2,277
Last seen: 8 years, 9 months
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: badchad]
    #9384928 - 12/07/08 01:11 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

true, well i can accept and admit to them they win and they get a christmas bonus on behalf of myself, but there is so much i can do by means of word of mouth to erode their reputation. ill tell them exactly that too. i know legally i dont have anything, but im pulling the unsatisfied customer routine, which they do not like to have.

oh well, at least im trying. if anything at least theyll know im not a spineless person and that when i feel taken advantage of i do something about it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineChuangTzu
starvingphysicist
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/04/02
Posts: 3,060
Last seen: 10 years, 4 months
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: hazey]
    #9385224 - 12/07/08 02:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The kbb value reflects real world prices, real world prices don't necessarily reflect the kbb value.  Periodically, the people at kbb conduct a survey and find out all the different prices a car sold for in a particular area and average them to get the kbb value.  The prices paid for one type of car can vary probably by 25% or so, depending on exact trim packages, dealer reputation, how much the buyer wants that exact car, deal sweeteners, etc... 

I don't know about cars that new but the cars I buy can vary in price by as much as 10-15X since they're old and most people don't want them but some people who do want them are willing to pay a fuckton for them if they're too impatient for a cheaper one to come along.  The same thing applies to a lesser degree to new cars.  Some people are just too lazy to shop around and pay a higher price (you in this case), some people just want to get rid of the car and sell it below market and the average is what you see in the kbb.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinebeaudesotva
Peace monger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/04/08
Posts: 59
Loc: Sierra Desert
Last seen: 15 years, 2 months
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: hazey]
    #9385226 - 12/07/08 02:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

sorry hazey that this is happening. but i don't think you'll have any luck with your efforts. a salesman will say anything for you to buy the car, in this case he talked up value it sounds like. i had a roommate who sold cars for a bit. they have to sell cars or they're fired, so they'll do it whatever it takes. the salesmen will even go as far as to change the numbers before you sign the paperwork, they assume you trust them. i wouldn't give up, but there are so many customer complaints that the dealerships don't care. i would look over the contract to check for possible mistakes, and search your area for the local chamber of commerce for advice. good luck.


--------------------
Uncertainty is the only certainty there is, and knowing how to live with insecurity is the only security - John Allen Paulos


Edited by beaudesotva (12/07/08 02:07 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehazey
Male


Registered: 01/20/08
Posts: 2,277
Last seen: 8 years, 9 months
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: beaudesotva]
    #9386179 - 12/07/08 04:30 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i think i win guys.... on the contract the odometer reading states 21054, and i have a odometer disclosure statement stating 21054 miles. the car right now actually has 24154 miles after me putting only 100 miles on it. so they have to print out a new contract adjusted to the new mileage, which i shall not sign. you guys think i win?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleFerris
PsychedelicJourneyman
Male

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/12/06
Posts: 11,529
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: hazey]
    #9386277 - 12/07/08 04:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

No, that sort of thing you singed off on the original contract, unless it wasn't.

I'm not 100% right now that you were actually screwed here.  Are you sure you don't just live in an area with high sales tax, or hard to import to, or simply a market where all the cars are expensive due to high demand?

I think there are sites that will let you type in your zip and tell you what percent to jack the KBB price up or down.


--------------------

Discuss Politics


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehazey
Male


Registered: 01/20/08
Posts: 2,277
Last seen: 8 years, 9 months
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: Ferris]
    #9386345 - 12/07/08 05:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

but they have to print out a new contract with the correct mileage for me to sign though right? i mean 3000 miles is a lot.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehazey
Male


Registered: 01/20/08
Posts: 2,277
Last seen: 8 years, 9 months
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: hazey]
    #9386375 - 12/07/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Federal Truth in Mileage Act (TIMA)

The Federal Truth in Mileage Act (TIMA) requires sellers to provide actual, truthful odometer readings and to disclose any known inaccuracies. TIMA makes odometer fraud a felony. Failure to disclose that an odometer has been changed or repaired (altered in any way) and/or falsifying mileage documentation will result in fines and/or imprisonment.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleFerris
PsychedelicJourneyman
Male

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/12/06
Posts: 11,529
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: hazey]
    #9386391 - 12/07/08 05:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Ya, but from the point of view of an outsider, you have no proof.  As far as they know, you took it for a long trip.  The only out might be if you bought the car like, yesterday, in which case a judge or whomever might be inclined to believe that you didn't drive it 3000 miles in a day.


--------------------

Discuss Politics


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDieCommie

Registered: 12/11/03
Posts: 29,258
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: hazey]
    #9386438 - 12/07/08 05:15 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Dude, you have to check shit like the odometer before you sign the papers.  The best thing you can do is take the lesson to heart- never buy a car from a salesmen.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblejohnm214
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 17,582
Loc: Americas
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: Ferris]
    #9386459 - 12/07/08 05:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Immediatly:

1.  Send a letter with a certified reciept stamped to the dealership saying you reject the car, list all your reasons.

2.  Go to the dealership and return the car.  Even if they won't let you, write down the names of hte folks you talked to.


You must do this immediatly as most states have very limited cool- off periods, and thelonger you wait the more it makes you seem like you didn't find anything wrong, as otherwise you would hae contacted them.


Find things wrong with the car and return it, list them in your letter.

What state are you in?


And yes, I think you have a good case on the mileage.  I'll look at the law, but basically you deman that you didn't want a car with that many miles on it.  Its a bitch since the difference is minor, but stick to it.  It is important you notify them ASAP with proof (get names).  Present yourself and the car and return it right away (or try).  Actually go there and try and give the car back.

In the end you may have to sue though.  Is it worth it to you?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehazey
Male


Registered: 01/20/08
Posts: 2,277
Last seen: 8 years, 9 months
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: johnm214]
    #9386637 - 12/07/08 05:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

im going to take it in at 10 am tomorrow morning, making it less than 1 business day of ownership. they havent even gotten me financed yet with any bank, i have no dealer report of sale yet, and they are already aware i want to give it back.

im hoping they will realize i dont care where this goes since im not giving in and hopefully theyll break and agree to a rescission as opposed to a small claims battle.

they can do a rescission on the premise that they cannot get a bank to finance the vehicle.

they may make me a better deal as well, but at this point i want to cease doing business with this dealership.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVermonster420
I gotta have more cowbell !
 User Gallery


Registered: 10/09/08
Posts: 662
Loc: Standin' On the Moon
Last seen: 7 years, 10 months
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: hazey]
    #9387009 - 12/07/08 06:29 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

OP- as the subject in this post says..."YOU paid too much."  YOU...did not sleep on it, research, or think about the sale before SIGNING A CONTRACT.

I hate to say it bud but the blame is in your lap.  Also, look up the same car/mileage in the NADA (National Auto Dealers Assoc.) guide which is the value guide MOST of the dealers in the country uses for sales.  It runs about 5-10% higher than KBB and many states use the NADA guide for used car sales tax estimates.

Next time remember caveat emptor!:confused:


--------------------
To thine own self be true.
That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
Ass...it's the NEW pussy!
"Gungah-DeGungah"


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibletak
geo's henchman
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 11/20/00
Posts: 3,776
Loc: nowhereland
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: hazey]
    #9387034 - 12/07/08 06:32 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Mention to them that they intentionally deceived you with the model year, and that the contract you signed was thousands of miles less than the actual vehicle milage and you want your down payment back.

Be sure to mention fraud a bunch of times and that you are not scared to contact the media. I don't see how they will let such a potential loss happen instead of breaking even buying the car back.


--------------------
The DJ's took pills to stay awake and play for seven days.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehazey
Male


Registered: 01/20/08
Posts: 2,277
Last seen: 8 years, 9 months
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: tak]
    #9387123 - 12/07/08 06:46 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

yeah my thoughts exactly. they took advantage of the situation, and lied about the cars value/year/mileage. it will be in their best interest to mutually agree on a rescission to avoid a legal/media battle. this isnt some small car dealership either. its a large dodge dealer with a reputation to uphold. thanks for the replies guys, i know i fucked up, but times are tough and i cant let anyone take advantage of me and walk away from it, even if the end result is not good.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblejohnm214
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 17,582
Loc: Americas
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: hazey]
    #9387187 - 12/07/08 06:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

eh, I happen to agree that fundamentally its your error.  You should have determined what you were willing to pay.

But whatever, it dosn't matter, and they were wrong for putting hte wrong odometer mileage on the sales reciept. 

But did you rely upon this information when buying the car?  Or did you just look at the car and negotiate? 


Anyways, what country/state are you in?  Nobody can tell you what your rights are without knowing what the law is.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibletak
geo's henchman
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 11/20/00
Posts: 3,776
Loc: nowhereland
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: johnm214]
    #9387305 - 12/07/08 07:09 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

johnm214 said:
I happen to agree that fundamentally its your error.




There is no doubt its his fault.

Sometimes these things happen though, and while you are to blame I have no remorse for the car company if you are able to get out of it. I know companies have rights too, and they are part of the whole american dream. But do what you have to do to take care of #1 always.


--------------------
The DJ's took pills to stay awake and play for seven days.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledarkproggy
popularity king
Male


Registered: 11/03/08
Posts: 164
Loc: sin city USA
Re: paid way too much for car - what are my rights? [Re: hazey]
    #9391703 - 12/08/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You're being a spazz over nothing.
Just drive the car and be happy.
Next time spend an extra $15 and take the actual blue book with you to the dealership.
Did you even do a Carfax on it?  Did you do anything?
Or were you under the assumption that used car dealers care about you?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Cashing out with crypto's mapleleafmarijuana 449 3 03/12/18 02:59 AM
by LightRay

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: geokills, automan
1,801 topic views. 0 members, 5 guests and 1 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.026 seconds spending 0.005 seconds on 12 queries.