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OfflineMajor_Buzz
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At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying
    #938723 - 10/07/02 08:02 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The mysterious powers that you believe in are so pathetically weak as to be unable to be clearly demonstrated.
Well Swami the occurance of Yogic Flying, where the body actually floats in defiance to gravity, has been well documented in Sceintific Journals for over thirty years. Here is a link:

http://www.tm.org/sidhi/yogic_flying.html


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Major_Buzz]
    #938740 - 10/07/02 08:11 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Puh-lease, NOT the TM nutjobs. Please show me an article in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Major_Buzz]
    #938787 - 10/07/02 08:26 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Hee hee hee! I've seen videotapes of that. It's just guys sitting in the lotus position bouncing up and down on mats. Give me a decent exercise mat and I'll do the same.

pinky


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Phred]
    #938801 - 10/07/02 08:29 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Careful pink. Posting factual information with a pedantic explanation could lose you a mushroom and several shroomery friends.


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Swami]
    #938810 - 10/07/02 08:31 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

he is stating his obvservations, and merely that... he is not making another thread to arrogantly make mock of other peoples beliefs...


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Swami]
    #938838 - 10/07/02 08:43 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I'm actually inclined to agree that that link does look a little hokey. I personally try and find credible sources and I have no idea who or what that source is, also the graph looks rather sketchy. I'm open to virtually any idea, but I avoid "proof" that doesn't quite look right.


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: In(di)go]
    #938852 - 10/07/02 08:47 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I have asked and have not been answered as to why NO ONE (on the political forum) has objected to my satire on the W.O.D. In fact, I have been applauded! Do you not see any irony in that?

Seems it is NOT the approach as you state, but whether or not it is one's personal belief that is satirized. Beliefs that are OBVIOULSY (to the reader) ridiculous are OK to attack, such as the Pakistanis who were made fun of for burning their children as part of a ceremony. Not ONE moderator or shroomerite objected to the ridicule.

If you were consistent, I would respect your stance much more than sporadically applied criterion.


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: In(di)go]
    #938861 - 10/07/02 08:50 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Hmmm. A bit more than that.

I came over here from the Political Discussion forum because I thought I would see some philosophical discussions. There are a few, and there are some on spirituality, as well.

But oh my goodness, are there ever a TON of posts that address neither spirituality nor philosophy, but rather "pseudoscience". I refer to the threads dealing with ESP, astrology, tarot, telekinesis, extraterrestrials, crop circles, cattle mutilations, etc.

That's fine, I guess... if I were a moderator I'd move those into OTD,since I really fail to see how these topics can even remotely be considered spiritual or philosophical, but I can't deny that by leaving them here the post count of the forum is increased.

From the little time I have spent here, it appears that Swami has as little patience with pseudoscience as I have, since it is almost exclusively THOSE threads which he challenges.

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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Swami]
    #938867 - 10/07/02 08:52 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Careful pink. Posting factual information with a pedantic explanation could lose you a mushroom

Heh. The Lefties in Political Discussion have already cost me two, and presumably will eventually cost me another. So be it.

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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Phred]
    #938890 - 10/07/02 09:00 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

That's fine, I guess... if I were a moderator I'd move those into OTD,since I really fail to see how these topics can even remotely be considered spiritual or philosophical...

Ahh, you are assuming an impartial moderator. The mods have their pet subjects and theories and only question those that clash with their views. It is OK to post total B.S., in fact it is encouraged. The wilder the better, just be nice about it.

Niceness is very spiritual. If Jesus had politely asked the moneylenders to leave the temple, he would have been considered a spiritual teacher.


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OfflineMajor_Buzz
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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Swami]
    #939035 - 10/07/02 09:49 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Puh-lease, NOT the TM nutjobs.

I think the reply was a little insulting, firstoff.
Okay, Swami i searched tthe web for about fifteen minutes, got nuthin'.
What bothers me most about this whole discussion, is that you are coming from a closed-mind-set. I haven't seen it, so I don't believe it is your stand. Which is understandable. But what if it was possible? What if you do bounce or float, even for a moment? Imagine the implications. Would this be the proof that you are asking for?
So I hereby issue a chalenge. Call it a little field trip report for the forum, and check out a TM center. Go in as a skeptic, and ask to see someone bouncing. What do you say?


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Major_Buzz]
    #939062 - 10/07/02 09:57 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

So I hereby issue a chalenge. Call it a little field trip report for the forum, and check out a TM center. Go in as a skeptic, and ask to see someone bouncing. What do you say?

Ah... this is familiar. Offer a challenge to the skeptic that wastes both their money and their time. I've seen enough videos of indians bouncing up and down in the lotus position to last me for awhile. If a legit "floater" ever turns up, they'll pack arenas in every town... hell, I'd buy a ticket to see that.


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Swami]
    #939085 - 10/07/02 10:04 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The mods have their pet subjects and theories and only question those that clash with their views.

Be careful not to paint with too broad a brush. :wink:

I question everything.

Cheers, 


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: ]
    #939159 - 10/07/02 10:27 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah... Mr_Mushrooms doesn't post blatantly idiotic stuff. Mad props, yo!


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Sclorch]
    #939175 - 10/07/02 10:31 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

Yeah... Mr_Mushrooms doesn't post blatantly idiotic stuff.



Was that a 'back handed' compliment?


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Evolving]
    #939195 - 10/07/02 10:38 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Was that a 'back handed' compliment?

Hmmm... That's the problem with ambiguity, isn't it?
Maybe I should've hyphenated it... "blatantly-idiotic"

So, uh, no. :wink: 


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Sclorch]
    #939210 - 10/07/02 10:46 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, hyphens are da shit!


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Sclorch]
    #939368 - 10/07/02 11:51 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you Mr. S.  I have the same thoughts towards your posts. :smile:

However,  I have been known to lapse into a mad caper when discussing the revivalist notions of snake eggs and "da muthaship". :wink:

Be care what yo put in yo moind!  :grin:

Burn up de atmosphere-ah!

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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: ]
    #939441 - 10/07/02 12:12 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The mods have their pet subjects and theories and only question those that clash with their views.

Be careful not to paint with too broad a brush.


I stand corrected. Some mods show favoritism towards some subject matter some of the time.


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Major_Buzz]
    #939485 - 10/07/02 12:27 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Was involved in the Self Realization Fellowship for several years and lived at their Ashram in the Sierras for an entire summer with Swami Kriyananda. Spent a week at Swami Satchidanada's ashram in Connecticut (has since moved to Virgina, I believe). Visited a TM center in the '70s and asked about the levitation. It was not for public display (naturally!). Knew some peopple that got seriously involved in TM and stated that the organization did teach basic meditation, but beyond that, their claims were a sham.

Saw nothing mystical at the Ashrams that I visited, not even a mention of weird tales. The only unusual thing I knew of was a highly energetic and skinny monk who lived on only one glass of fresh orange juice and one glass of fresh vegetable juice year-round.


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Phred]
    #939508 - 10/07/02 12:35 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Careful pink. Posting factual information with a pedantic explanation could lose you a mushroom

I do not understand this whole mushroom thing. Is it sort of like a popularity contest? Those wishing to keep their mushrooms keep their mouths shut and comply with others so as to gain MORE little mushroom symbols?

*looking with fear* oh no...shall I loose a few for asking that question? lol


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Swami]
    #939512 - 10/07/02 12:37 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks Swam.

I do have some rather intense committment to skepticism born from the errors most institutions fall err to.

I think that as moderators will should do our level best to allow everyone to post anything and utter any comment about anything at any time that anyone wishes. Whatever the consequences may be they are better than forcing anyone to keep silent on an issue where they have different opinions.

That said, I do make a few exceptions.  I am not much of a fan of flaming and/or coarse language.  I accept it but I am no fan of either.  I also try to be as strict as I can be about which material is allowed in here and which isn't.  I have been reading different threads long before I was a moderator and gauging whether they were topics that fit within this forum.  I see a lot of nonsense passed off as thinking here but I am used to that.  Most people are not trained to think critically.  I do not fault them for that.  As a rule I eschew rules but if it becomes necessary to establish some for the health of the forum I will, though unhappy about it, help to institute them and enforce them.

Generally I like to see the forum run with a little intervention from the moderators as possible.  As long as the forum doesn't turn into a flamefest I am more than content to watch nonsense pass for thinking.  I have been there too many times myself to judge.

Cheers Bro,

Oh, and I wish you wouldn't  'stand' corrected.  It makes me nervous in my chair. :wink: 


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Swami]
    #939976 - 10/07/02 02:52 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

[bSaw nothing mystical at the Ashrams that I visited, not even a mention of weird tales. The only unusual thing I knew of was a highly energetic and skinny monk who lived on only one glass of fresh orange juice and one glass of fresh vegetable juice year-round.

A breatharian?? ~.^

Speaking of *ahem* parlor tricks, ever seen the Shaolin shows? I might go to one in November for the second time.


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Cheeba]
    #940033 - 10/07/02 03:11 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I do not understand this whole mushroom thing. Is it sort of like a popularity contest?

Pretty much.

Those wishing to keep their mushrooms keep their mouths shut and comply with others so as to gain MORE little mushroom symbols?

I would change this sentence to read less like a question... try swapping the '?' for a '.' yeah...


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Swami]
    #940075 - 10/07/02 03:25 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

woow..they've correlated odd eeg patterns with people who think they can float...that's amazing....one would never expect such people to have "odd" brain patterns...


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: vaporbrains]
    #940389 - 10/07/02 05:24 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

LOL


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Major_Buzz]
    #940413 - 10/07/02 05:33 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

there is a show on the discovery channel all about how this is phony.


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Cheeba]
    #940537 - 10/07/02 06:16 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry Cheeba. I downgraded your mushroom rating for EVEN asking that question.


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Major_Buzz]
    #942480 - 10/08/02 12:11 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry Dude, the gang is correct. I was in teacher-training for TM back in the mid 70's, and just a few weeks from going to Switzerland to get initiated by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, before I dropped out. Yogic flying IS a matter of muscular movements, which in itself is something of a siddhi (power), but who wants to cause the kind of skeletal-muscular damage from springing up and down using one's hip joints? I once did a crash-course with the 3HO Kundalini Yogis at about the same time. One guy told me to "sleep here," pointing to an antelope-skin covered bed. I asked him with a smile if I'd levitate and he looked at me real seriously and said, "that will take you 11 years of practice." Right.


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #943532 - 10/08/02 06:53 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I think the yogic flying thing is bullshit. I saw a documentary that showed these guys with their legs crossed hopping around the room. Not too convincing. However, in a History of Tibet class we read about some interesting shit. It talked about these shamans in Tibet that would meditate all the time about opening a whole in the top of their head so their soul could escape when they die. After years of this shit they found that their skull actually had begun to split on the top of their head, making alittle soft spot like babies have before their skull is fully formed. I wish I stilll had the textbook and I would prove it. And yes, I go to a fully accredited university. the wonders of the human mind...


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Re: At Last Some Proof for Swami / Yogic Flying [Re: Buddha5254]
    #943859 - 10/08/02 08:57 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Hmmm...

I would have checked their dwellings for chisels and the like.


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