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InvisibleSwami
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The Believer's Moving Targets
    #938684 - 10/07/02 07:41 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Original Claim: (circa 1985) The Face on Mars is proof of alien life. If only NASA would rephotograph it from a better angle and with higher resolution than before, the world would see what we are talking about.

Moving Target: (after the new photographs showing nothing unusual) NASA is hiding the "real" pictures. OR - It IS the Sphinx, just so highly eroded as to not be recognizable from this angle.


Original Claim: The Phoenix Lights were witnessed by 10,000 people and are certain proof of an alien fly-over.

Moving Target: (After the lights were unequivocably shown to be military flares.) This doesn't prove that other UFOs are not alien spacecraft.


Original Claim: Abductees are physically transported to alien ships.

Moving Target: (After sleep paralysis studies) We are more than just a physical body; their astral bodies were abducted.


Original Claim: Crop Circle researchers can tell a "real" circle from a fake one. No human could create an intricate circle overnight.

Moving Target: (A videographer DETAILS the entire process of making a fake. After which 3 "expert" cereologists declare the fake circle as real.) Well this doesn't prove that ALL circles are fake!


Original Claim: I can demonstrate telepathy at will.

Moving Target: (After failure) Of course I could not demonstrate telepathy with all the "negative energy" from skeptics blocking my transmission.


On and on it goes with a thousand more examples of weak dodges and pathetic "explanations" of why the mystery turned out to not be so mysterious. ANY reason at all can be used to hold on to some precious (and erroneous) belief.

This thread alone should get me down to a one-mushroom rating.


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InvisibleMetasyn
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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Swami]
    #938727 - 10/07/02 08:05 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Original claim:  Everything in the universe is made up of four elements- earth, air, water, and fire.

Moving target:  This fails to hold up to scrutiny so the view is modified to include "atoms" of various sorts that comprise all matter.


Original claim:  The earth is the center of the universe and the sun, stars, and planets all revolve around us.

Moving target:  Again, this was changed to a model of the universe where we revolve around a typical star on the spiral arm of a typical galaxy among billions of others.


So what's your point?


And by the way, if this point of yours is beaten any further into the ground its going to come out the other side.    :tongue:


Edited by Metasyn (10/07/02 08:06 AM)


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Metasyn]
    #938758 - 10/07/02 08:16 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Huh? You equate incomplete knowledge and best-guess hypothesese with highly SPECIFIC claims?


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Metasyn]
    #938797 - 10/07/02 08:29 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

And by the way, if this point of yours is beaten any further into the ground its going to come out the other side.





Agreed. Swami, drop it. No one cares, this has been beaten into the ground.


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Swami]
    #938800 - 10/07/02 08:29 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The highly specific claims may also come from incomplete knowledge and best-guess hypotheses. I don't think any mystic claims to be the absolute source of knowledge in the universe (if one did I wouldn't take them very seriously).


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #938814 - 10/07/02 08:32 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Agreed. Swami, drop it. No one cares, this has been beaten into the ground.

But YOU care enough to respond and I am touched. Please point to a recent post by anyone that ACTUALLY covers new ground.


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Swami]
    #939219 - 10/07/02 10:48 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Please point to a recent post by anyone that ACTUALLY covers new ground.

What... back-patting isn't new ground?

I think there have been a few posts in the past year that have pretty damn unique (new ground). Of course, the bulk (if not all) of them were made by "skeptics". Who cares, though, right? I mean, productivity isn't a measure of anything...


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Sclorch]
    #939255 - 10/07/02 11:04 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

productivity isn't a measure of anything...



May I refer you to the works of W. Edwards Deming?


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Swami]
    #939712 - 10/07/02 01:34 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Classic straw man argument. You'll never see a true believer talking about sphinxes on Mars and and Roswell rods and other nonsense. But I see plenty of skeptics bringing them up.


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Evolving]
    #940108 - 10/07/02 03:35 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Sclorch: productivity isn't a measure of anything...
Evolving: May I refer you to the works of W. Edwards Deming?

As long as my sarcasm was noted. :wink:


InfidelGOD: Classic straw man argument. You'll never see a true believer talking about sphinxes on Mars and and Roswell rods and other nonsense.

Unless you're being sarcastic...
rods thread
face on mars thread(note revelation's reply)

There are plenty more. 


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Sclorch]
    #940224 - 10/07/02 04:13 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Shoot, that's easy.  Those people are not true believers. :tongue: 


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Sclorch]
    #940266 - 10/07/02 04:29 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I shoudn't have said "true believers". I didn't mean to define true believers in that way. I should have said that not all believers believe those things.


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: infidelGOD]
    #940556 - 10/07/02 06:21 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You'll never see a true believer talking about sphinxes on Mars

Ever heard of the highly popular member, shroomism?


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Swami]
    #940713 - 10/07/02 07:20 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Who's that?


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Shroomism]
    #940772 - 10/07/02 07:36 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

My best buddy on the Shroomery S&P board. He is sort of the Anti-Swami. :wink: 


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Swami]
    #940784 - 10/07/02 07:39 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You guys are gonna make me puke.


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Swami]
    #940817 - 10/07/02 07:48 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I love you guys.  Seriously.  The world would be so much less bright if there were no shroomism/swami.  The S&P metaphor for the duality that exists among all things in this universe.    :grin:


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: ]
    #940844 - 10/07/02 07:53 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You're right Mr. Mush - syrupy sweetness is a little unsettling. :smile: 


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #941151 - 10/07/02 09:38 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

HAHAAAHAHA. Swami, you are fucking hilarious.


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: ]
    #941155 - 10/07/02 09:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I know - that is why God put me here.


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Swami]
    #941439 - 10/08/02 01:10 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

that is why God put me here


there's a few other reasons to that, i think


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Shroomism]
    #941727 - 10/08/02 06:05 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I'm sorry but this interdimensional-being-contacting you Shroomism bullshit needs to stop.

You're a kid, and you're trying to start a cult. It's as simple as that.

You are severely messing with people's heads here that actually believe the crap that you feed them on a spoon.

This was all told to me by Lady Xeen-wong, my 5th dimension spiritual teacher who will be visiting us at the end of the Gregorian calendar.

PLEASE take this to another site! URL's are not expensive.

I usually don't spawn this sort of energy, but enough is enough man. You already have 'followers' that think you are their guru, and that's terrible.

peace


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Phoshaman]
    #941747 - 10/08/02 06:16 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

As if age has any relevance to spiritual wisdom..
I desire no cult, I want free thought and expression of philosophies on life and beyond. I work towards a future of divine truth and sovereignity. If my perception of reality is not to your liking, perhaps you can set me straight?
Interdimensional beings are a part of my spirituality. Shoot me.


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Shroomism]
    #941859 - 10/08/02 07:09 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You're not alone Shroomism. They have been an integral part of human existence forever.

A few hundred years of science and suddenly we know the truth about everything. I'm not so sure it's as easy as that.


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Shroomism]
    #941958 - 10/08/02 07:59 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Your in(n)(t)er-dimensional beings are projections of your inner-self.

"He who talks does not know.
He who knows does not talk."

Think about it.

P.S. Tell Mork that Ork needs him back... some emergency with Planet X or something about to crash into their moon...


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Phoshaman]
    #942376 - 10/08/02 11:17 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

If they are projections of our inner self why do they take that particular form?

I think in matters of consciousness we should trust our own brains more and other people's opinions less. The brain is a marvellous creation millions of years old - we should listen to it a bit more.


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Xlea321]
    #942387 - 10/08/02 11:26 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I think in matters of consciousness we should trust our own brains more and other people's opinions less. The brain is a marvellous creation millions of years old - we should listen to it a bit more.

Yeah... we should close off... our... minds?
Hmm....


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Phoshaman]
    #942640 - 10/08/02 01:21 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I got another quote for ya.

"He who thinks he knows all knows nothing."

Think about it.


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Adamist]
    #942733 - 10/08/02 01:51 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"I am wise because i know i know nothing" - Socrates.

Wise man. theres a correlation there...somewhere. Im sure of it.  :smirk: 


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Phoshaman]
    #942998 - 10/08/02 03:26 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I hope you're joking.  I have already paid Shroomism a lot fo money for the insider's view of reality.  Please tell me I haven't pinned my hopes on the wrong donkey. :frown: 


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Sclorch]
    #944038 - 10/08/02 10:06 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah... we should close off... our... minds?

No we should OPEN them.

The materialistic worldview people have been indoctrinated with isn't really working too well. The twentieth century was the most violent in human existence, people seem to be getting more miserable rather than happier, the environment is almost completly destroyed and practically all wildlife one earth will soon be extinct. The long term existence of humanity isn't looking too good.

If that is the route materialism and science are taking us down we have to pause for a moment and think whether it's the only way.


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Xlea321]
    #945002 - 10/09/02 10:06 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The materialistic worldview people have been indoctrinated with isn't really working too well.

Although I object to this worldview as well... I think it HAS worked quite well (if you look at its goals- most people acquire lots of stuff). Nothing spreads so far if it doesn't work.

The twentieth century was the most violent in human existence,

Just by body count maybe... I think humans have always been violent.

people seem to be getting more miserable rather than happier,

Based on years and years of surveys, right?

the environment is almost completly destroyed
Last time I looked out my window I saw many trees of green.
Just because Ralph Nader says something, it doesn't mean it's right.

and practically all wildlife one earth will soon be extinct.

Seriously, read about this before you speak. The truth is most wildlife will NOT be extinct.

The long term existence of humanity isn't looking too good.

Based on all those poorly-thought-out assumptions... you are correct.


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Re: The Believer's Moving Targets [Re: Xlea321]
    #945063 - 10/09/02 10:33 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The sky is falling, the sky is falling. :confused:


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