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Hammocks
#9379453 - 12/06/08 02:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I really want to get a hammock.. I don't have a clue what to look for though and it needs to be as cheap as possible.
Ideally I want one that has a built in mosquito net of some kind, is as light as possible and is easily put up.
I don't mind the prospect of making my own either, cause then I guess it'll fit my specifications better.
Links, suggestions, reviews etc. Would all be appreciated .
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Re: Hammocks [Re: Cepheus]
#9379476 - 12/06/08 02:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://hennessyhammock.com/
The only true option.
They are the best, one of a kind, and pretty cheap considering how damn amazing they are.
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i fucking love hammocks.
Look to spend about 60 on a nice one.
Nylon is very strong and super light.
I had an ENO travel hammock. No skeeter net but I never had problems with bugs.
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Damn, that hammock is pimp.
I sport a multicolored nylon one I got from allgood, bt its weaved so the holes get bigger and smaller and your toes/fingers go through it, and you wake up looking like a waffel.
The knot came udon while I was lounging on it at a festival, snapped right above a pointed old tree stump....
Needless to say my back was bent backwards over it and I was almost in shock from the pain. Couldn't see or breath for damn near 5 minutes, I think I took a total of ten breaths the whole time and they were so hard to take.
I still have back pains from that sheet......bloody stump.....
Now I have a fear of hammocks so bad that anytime I get in a hammock, I'm not overcoming my fear of them, but my fear of death, because I know I will die in one of those things.
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Re: Hammocks [Re: vandago]
#9390650 - 12/08/08 07:40 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just order my Hennessy Explorer Ultralight Asym this morning - http://farm1.static.flickr.com/88/226800859_1fa5c45574.jpg?v=0 Also ordered the super large (12'x11') sil-nylon tarp instead of the stock one since many seem to think it's barely sufficient. Like the one at the bottom here just a little bigger - http://www.speerhammocks.com/Products/Tarps.htm
You want the place for hammock info my man... right here - http://www.hammockforums.net/
Those rope hammocks are a whole different world. These nylon ones are so fucking comfortable..it's like a cocoon. After sleeping in one for a week it was hard for me to sleep in my regular bed at home, let alone in a tent again. People with chronic back pains say hammock sleeping is more comforting than their expensive ass beds at home. But yeah, the way you tie the knot is important. HH tells you to do 4 figure-8 knots - http://www.hennessyhammock.com/setup.html - super strong yet easy to take down.
I tell you though, once you sleep in a hammock tent, you don't want to go back to sleeping on the ground in a tent with all the other animals . Not only do you never have to worry about sleeping on the missed rock/stick (I know it's happened to you before.. wake up with a rock in your back). But what about when it pours rain outside and you wake up with a swamp around your tent, and everything is soggy. Sucks ass. In a hammock, you can sleep through a hurricane.. a fucking river can run under you and you will be unaffected. Did I mention they are comfortable as fuck and you sleep like a baby.
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I think I might have to invest in one of those hennesy jobbies, as a christmas present for myself .
The are rather pricey though for what they are... but seeing as I'm rather small I can go with the scout model.
Do you have any good links for learning how to tie knots as well, whilst that's on the agenda?
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Re: Hammocks [Re: Cepheus]
#9390885 - 12/08/08 08:51 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Actually I think they are a damn good deal for what they are.. considering they are all hand made with high-quality, super lightweight materials. Their design is phenomenal, and they have patents on several of the designs, including the slit-in-the-bottom that you enter through and self seals from your body weight and with velcro. Though I think if you live in the UK, the shipping is where they really kill you $60 shipping to UK when I checked it.. that's almost the cost of a scout. But hey.... order a regular sized hammock now and get a FREE scout as a special xmas offer 
If you want to check out others, here are a few of some of the other popular ones: http://www.jacksrbetter.com/ http://www.speerhammocks.com/Products/Hammock.htm http://www.mosquitohammock.com/ http://www.thetravelhammock.com/products/hammocks.htm
Although no one does it as good as Hennessy imo. When you order a hammock they send you a little booklet thing with instructions on how to best set it up and whatnot, and the best knots to make. But here's a cool knot site - http://www.animatedknots.com/
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Man that's savage.. that means a scout would end up costing me £70 .
I'm going to try and get my mate to chip in, as he's in the market for a good tent, that way one of us can have the full sized one and the other can have the scout. That should make it a bit more reasonably priced.
How much bag space does a properly packed one of those take up?
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Re: Hammocks [Re: Cepheus]
#9393355 - 12/08/08 04:22 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not much.. they pack small. The one I got packs down to 5"x12", the scout is 6"x10"
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Man I wish I was shorter so I could get a scout. The cheapest one I would fit in is like $180. I might still have to get one. They look pretty sweet.
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Re: Hammocks [Re: HuHEN]
#9396125 - 12/08/08 10:43 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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xchair - most comfortable hammock i've ever laid in. $130
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Re: Hammocks [Re: deranger]
#9397572 - 12/09/08 04:25 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah but that kinda defects the purpose because these are supposed to be camping hammocks to replace tents. Not just for around the house use.
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Re: Hammocks [Re: HuHEN]
#9398578 - 12/09/08 10:50 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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they're fairly portable if you have a car, and it's worth it for house use alone.
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Re: Hammocks [Re: deranger]
#9400674 - 12/09/08 03:59 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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deranger said: they're fairly portable if you have a car, and it's worth it for house use alone.
Can they fit in your backup though? That is the important thing.
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I ordered a hennessey expedition a few days ago to get the free scout and snakeskins...
They sent two Expeditions!
I love these guys.
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Re: Hammocks [Re: HuHEN]
#9401881 - 12/09/08 07:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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HuHEN said:
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deranger said: they're fairly portable if you have a car, and it's worth it for house use alone.
Can they fit in your backup though? That is the important thing.
the important thing is they are the most comfortable thing i've ever laid in, and it feels like your floating. ideal for car camping/home use. obviously you don't want to be hauling those poles around if your going backpacking.
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Re: Hammocks [Re: deranger]
#9402375 - 12/09/08 08:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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The hennessy's pack down into 2lbs total weight, in your backpack.. they are comfortable as fuck and you are floating.. and they have bug nets and tarp, you can sleep in them in a hurricane, and no metal poles!
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Quote:
These nylon ones are so fucking comfortable..it's like a cocoon. After sleeping in one for a week it was hard for me to sleep in my regular bed at home, let alone in a tent again. People with chronic back pains say hammock sleeping is more comforting than their expensive ass beds at home. But yeah, the way you tie the knot is important. HH tells you to do 4 figure-8 knots - http://www.hennessyhammock.com/setup.html - super strong yet easy to take down.
I tell you though, once you sleep in a hammock tent, you don't want to go back to sleeping on the ground in a tent with all the other animals
Ok I'm sold, just ordered one.
The free scout will solve the problem of what to get my girl for christmas.
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Re: Hammocks [Re: Crasher]
#9445123 - 12/16/08 05:22 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crasher said: I ordered a hennessey expedition a few days ago to get the free scout and snakeskins...
They sent two Expeditions!
I love these guys.
I got mine yesterday... order an Explorer... got a free Expedition Deluxe! ($199) and two set of snakeskins.
All I have to say is.. FUCK YEAH! Love these guys also.
If you guys want to order one... now is the time. Do it before xmas.
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I've had my expedition strung up in my back yard the last few days. It snowed and dropped below freezing this last weekend so I felt a duty to sleep in it. With a decent mummybag I was still snug as a bug at 25 degrees.
Hammocks FTW!
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Re: Hammocks [Re: Crasher]
#9445472 - 12/16/08 06:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crasher said: I've had my expedition strung up in my back yard the last few days. It snowed and dropped below freezing this last weekend so I felt a duty to sleep in it. With a decent mummybag I was still snug as a bug at 25 degrees.
Hammocks FTW!
 Camping in the backyard FTW! You rock.
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Re: Hammocks [Re: Crasher]
#9446768 - 12/16/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crasher said: I've had my expedition strung up in my back yard the last few days. It snowed and dropped below freezing this last weekend so I felt a duty to sleep in it. With a decent mummybag I was still snug as a bug at 25 degrees.
Hammocks FTW!
Wow really? I figured at those temps you'd need at the very least, a pad.. if not an undershelter to prevent the freezing back syndrome. Was that with a down bag or synthetic? I'm assuming synthetic.. since down has basically no insulation on the side all the weight is on.
Either way, that's awesome.
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It's a synthetic bag. The Army at least made the right move with its choice of sleeping bags.
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Re: Hammocks [Re: Crasher]
#9457645 - 12/18/08 06:01 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice.
So I tested mine out the other night.. temps dropped to ~35ish. All I had was my down sleeping bag rated to 20 degrees. Of course.. that's not counting the bottom.. the part my weight was on was basically zero insulation and I was freezing. I grabbed my closed cell foam pad and put that under me - instant relief and warmth.
Of course, the parts it wasn't covering was still cold (shoulders).. which is why some of those hammock guys sell pads with 'wings' and such. But the hammock definitely felt different with the pad. I'm thinking about investing in one of those underquilts, or an undercover.. which is basically sil-nylon covering on the bottom and an open cell foam pad inbetween. Either one is supposed to keep things nice and insulated on the bottom down to about 0-10 degrees.
Or perhaps I'll just make my own 
.. or get a synthetic bag. But man I love my down bag... and it packs so small...
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Shroomism said: I'm thinking about investing in one of those underquilts, or an undercover.. which is basically sil-nylon covering on the bottom and an open cell foam pad inbetween. Either one is supposed to keep things nice and insulated on the bottom down to about 0-10 degrees.
Keep us posted. I won't be putting much time in my hammock this winter but it'll be good to know how those underquilts work out, and more importantly, how well they pack.
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Re: Hammocks [Re: Crasher]
#9459451 - 12/18/08 11:28 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, the most popular ones seem to be the ones from THESE GUYS ... they pack quite small as you can see... and that is their cheapest underquilt. Fuck if I'm going to pay MORE than I paid for my hammock.. for what is essentially a large down sleeping bag with water resistant shell and a suspension system. That just seems like a total ripoff to me. Especially for something I won't be using ALL the time.
The undercover from Hennessy is half as much and seems like it would get the job done for most cold nights- (Waterproof, windproof SilNylon double wall bottom cover used with detachable, contoured open cell foam pad. Designed to work together. UnderCover will not work with closed cell foam pads under hammock. weight 14 oz., plus comes with unique,double-ended 1 oz. stuffsack.) That seems like a pretty good option. And according to THIS.. people claim to have slept warm in their hennessys at -10 to -30 using the undercovers and overcover (the "supershelter")
Speer has a pretty interesting thing for pad setups - http://www.speerhammocks.com/Products/SPE.htm But that just looks kind of uncomfortable.
I'm still looking at options, but for now I'll probably stick with the pad I have, it gets the job done well enough. Thing is the underquilts seem to be the best thing, as they can help you sleep comfortably into the negatives, and they are the lightest and least bulkiest in terms of packed weight/bulk for bottom insulation. I kind of doubt my pads ability to keep my back warm and consequently.. the rest of my body warm past about 30 degrees or so, or with high winds.Pads take up a lot more pack space.. they aren't as comfortable as sleeping in just the hammock itself.. and they tend to slide around.
I might be able to convince myself to build my own undercover, if I can convince myself I wouldn't totally screw it up. But one thing is for sure, I don't want to pay $250-300 for a blanket for the bottom of my hammock.
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Re: Hammocks [Re: Crasher]
#9468580 - 12/20/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.newtribe.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=35&osCsid=de8b026ab0a3e7126dbdf1293a637ff2
These things are made for tree climbing expeditions in redwood groves and such, heavy duty as hell, and made for sleeping in the treetops hundreds of feet above the ground, so you know their meticulously well made and very safe.
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DarkMoon21 said: http://www.newtribe.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=35&osCsid=de8b026ab0a3e7126dbdf1293a637ff2
These things are made for tree climbing expeditions in redwood groves and such, heavy duty as hell, and made for sleeping in the treetops hundreds of feet above the ground, so you know their meticulously well made and very safe.
Dude, in Washington those hammocks are just rain collectors.
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Re: Hammocks [Re: Crasher]
#9473968 - 12/21/08 05:29 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's official.
> *
Also.. snakeskins pwn.
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What Hammock did you end up getting? That thing looks great!
And Crasher, obviously you didn't look at the site too well, because there are covers you can set up, some of which are more roomy then other hammock covers, their like full tents, and of course you can use tarps and get creative with the design of them.
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Got the explorer ultralight.. also the oversized (144" x 132") silnylon fly. Quite a bit more coverage than the stock fly.
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Have you gotten a chance to use it yet? How's the comfort and heat retention?
This is getting me stoked on going hammock camping this spring!
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Yeah I slept in it for two nights. Amazingly comfortably. The one thing with hammocks is the heat retention on the bottom side is close to nil. Unlike sleeping on the ground.. in a hammock you have free air moving under you and no real insulation unless you add it yourself. In warm nights it's perfect.. in cold weather you have to take measures for underneath insulation or you'll freeze from the bottom.
There are several methods for insulation.. closed cell foam pads under you.. this is what I used and it did a pretty good job for ~35 degrees.. but it doesn't have any insulation on the parts it's not covering and I doubt it would work as well for freezing temps. The best option I've seen is underquilts.. which is basically a big down sleeping bag attached to the bottom of the hammock. Ala something like this - http://www.tothewoods.net/ImagesStayWarm/thru-hiker-underquilt.jpg
Crasher said he slept in a synthetic sleeping bag and it kept him warm in low temps. A down bag has very little to no insulation on the part all your weight is on because it depends on loft to retain warmth. Which is the concept of having a lofty down bag underneath the hammock, no weight is on it. Problem is the underquilts built for hammocks that I have seen.. are quite pricey.
But yeah, hammock are amazing. The biggest issue with them is keeping warm in colder temps, as a general rule of thumb you will be sleeping 10-20 degrees colder than if you were on the ground and even moreso with winds. So one needs to take measures to provide some insulation and wind protection. But properly insulated, I have heard of people sleeping snug in them at -30 degrees, in norway.
http://hammockforums.net/ is a great resource.
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Re: Hammocks [Re: Crasher]
#9486051 - 12/23/08 09:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Hammocks [Re: Arden]
#9542333 - 01/04/09 06:48 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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I've got one of these.
Pretty cheap, comfy, packs small.
No insulation whatsoever, but the hammock works to sleep in for nice weather.
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Re: Hammocks [Re: Tri High]
#9546948 - 01/04/09 08:38 PM (15 years, 26 days ago) |
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call me strange but a little fabric and some rope works pretty well
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