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What are these???
    #937658 - 10/06/02 10:17 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Just came back from a little nature walk and came across these specimens.
I know there not active but am still wondering what they may be....
Couldn?t get a spore print and the big ones cap is about 3 inches across, and the stems are hollow.
I found them growing in a swampy wooded area, they were growing in what looks to be fallen leaves and such from trees.
found in Northern Alberta Canada



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Re: What are these??? [Re: TeKn0]
    #937689 - 10/06/02 10:26 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

hygrophoropsis?


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Re: What are these??? [Re: TeKn0]
    #937861 - 10/06/02 11:41 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

My first thought was Lactarius deliciosus, very common in the habitat you described, but viscid has an interesting point. I can't see the gills closely enough to tell, but those could be Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca. My references seem to indicate that Hygrophoropsis has a solid stem, and I know that Lactarius have hollow stems, but there is an easier way to be sure.

Please look at the gills and see if they are forked. The other thing to try is breaking the mushroom (with your fingers), and see if it breaks like chalk or more like you would think a mushroom does normally. Also see if the mushroom bruises (you'll have to abuse it a bit).

If it's crumbly (like chalk) and the gills are not forked, then it's Lactarius. They are edible, and should also bruise green.

If it's fibrous (like a regular mushroom) and the gills are forked, then it's Hygrophoropsis, the False Chanterelle. Don't eat those - it seems they may be poisonous (although not as bad as many mushrooms).

Nice find. Keep us posted.


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Re: What are these??? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #937895 - 10/06/02 11:53 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

im betting its rubbery as hell.
i think the gills are forked enough in the pic, maybe not.
i thought lactarius at first too.
i kinda doubt it tho.
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Re: What are these??? [Re: viscid]
    #937916 - 10/06/02 11:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

haha there's really a shroom called lactarius deliciosus?? hmm...sounds mightius tastius....


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Re: What are these??? [Re: Typingwords]
    #937952 - 10/07/02 12:16 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Yep, theres also a mushroom called Clitocybe nuda... the common name for it is Blewit... I find that one amusing.


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Re: What are these??? [Re: Gumby]
    #937957 - 10/07/02 12:18 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

what?
you blew on a nude clit, then what happened?
goes with the phalli,
dont it?


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Re: What are these??? [Re: Typingwords]
    #938010 - 10/07/02 12:34 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Yep, there is. And they're actually not that good. I can think of lots of mushrooms I'd rather eat. The flavor is ok, but the texture is sort of granular, almost like there's sand in them - there isn't, but you have to cook them very thoroughly to get rid of the texture, but which time they're not as appealing (to me). I usually leave them behind in the woods, unless I need specimens to show (or maybe if I find a decent new recipe for them).


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Re: What are these??? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #938044 - 10/07/02 12:46 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Yes.. there rubbery as hell.... pretty slimey too.
I threw em out as I dont find them appealing wether there edible or not.
The gills are forked.
Oh yeah they were very fagile, the cap broke apart quite easily.


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Re: What are these??? [Re: TeKn0]
    #938106 - 10/07/02 01:13 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i think the rubbery/fragile were supposed to be opposite characteristics.
but the lactarius would have been stained greenish anyway.
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Re: What are these??? [Re: viscid]
    #938119 - 10/07/02 01:18 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Ya your right.
I meant the soft chalky type of texture.
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Re: What are these??? [Re: viscid]
    #938218 - 10/07/02 01:45 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

viscid:
I just thought I'd mention that some "varieties" of Lactarius deliciosus stain relatively inconspicuously and slowly, and the staining might not be very obvious at all. The fact that he says the gills were forked is interesting. It actually confuses things a little. I note also that the caps in the photos are not as conspicuously zonate as most Lactarius I have found are. On the other hand, he also said that they were slimy, and Alexander Smith says that Hygrophoropsis is not viscid (were they rotting a little, maybe?). Overall, a somewhat confusing situation.

I'm leaning toward Hygrophoropsis, but I'm not sure yet.


TeKnO:
Here are links to photos of the 2 species:
Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca
Lactarius deliciosus

Note that the Hygrophoropsis gills are very conspicuously forked (actual specimens aren't always quite this nice), whereas the Lactarius gills resemble the gills of most mushrooms.

Did you observe the gills closely enough to remember accurately which of these you found? If so, great, if not, it's not really surprising - most people wouldn't know to look for something like that.

For the future, when you want to get a mushroom identified, you need to keep the specimens around until the ID is done. That way you can answer questions about them. The answers you've given turn out to be a little bit contradictory (and I'm sure you're trying to help and not confuse us), so looking at the specimens would help.

Anyway, thanks for your prompt answers. A very interesting find.


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Re: What are these??? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #938329 - 10/07/02 02:13 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I could go back tomorrow and grab another one, there were quite a few there.
As for the pics I wanna lean more towards the Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca.
The Lactarius deliciosus's color is off, all specimens I observed were uniform in color with the Hygrophorpsis.
Dammit, I wanna figure this out....  :grin:
 


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Re: What are these??? [Re: TeKn0]
    #939502 - 10/07/02 12:33 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

if you really want to figure it out, we are waiting to figure it out too! :grin:
the only other possibility in my mind (genus-wise) would be paxillus.  but we are soon out of my league, and have run out of info to answer questions with.
if you REALLY want to know, go get another one.
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