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anadenanthera colubrina
    #9369794 - 12/05/08 12:00 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

so i bought some of these seeds. when i bought them off a website it said in brackets (unviable).

that basically means i cant do anything with them am i right? grow? consume?

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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: helter_skelter]
    #9369825 - 12/05/08 12:03 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

u can get sum 5-meo-dmt and bufotenin


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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: Coaster]
    #9369851 - 12/05/08 12:06 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

thats what i was hoping for but i'm thinking the unviable on their website means... no deal

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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: helter_skelter]
    #9369855 - 12/05/08 12:07 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

it means no grow


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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: Coaster]
    #9369903 - 12/05/08 12:14 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, unviable just means they won't sprout.  Do an acetone/citrate extraction of DMT. Or just heat them, powder them, add a bit of lime or sodium carbonate (not bicarbonate, aka baking soda, it's not a strong enough base) and a bit of water, dry out the paste, and smoke that goodness.

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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9370045 - 12/05/08 12:55 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

no thats COMPLETELY untrue baking soda worx perfectly i no this for a fact!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7179169#7179169


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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: Coaster]
    #9370089 - 12/05/08 01:00 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

braindamaged raver alert!

You can use baking soda to make the snuff, it won't stop the stuff from working. But it's hardly more effective with baking soda than if you just snort the raw seeds.

The highest pH that can be reached by baking soda is well below the pKa of bufotenine. At most 1% of the bufotenine will be freebased by it. It might abosorb through your nasal membranes a little better by bringing the pH in your nose a little closer to the pKa, but that ain't gonna be a big factor.

Congrats on snorting baking soda for the hell of it though.

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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9370143 - 12/05/08 01:08 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

uh ya well i tripped fucking balls off of baking soda then :shrug:


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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: Coaster]
    #9370149 - 12/05/08 01:09 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

:rolleyes:

You tripped off of the bufotenine salts. You'd have tripped just as hard without the baking soda is all I'm saying (it'd be a good idea to revise that guide if you're going to keep directing people to it)

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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9370443 - 12/05/08 03:12 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

dude i thought u were smarter than this
a matter of fact i tried snorting without it and it in fact DID NOT WORK
y dont u stop supplying ppl with misinformation bra


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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: Coaster]
    #9370710 - 12/05/08 06:45 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

thanks for your help guys.

i got some lime that i was going to use for my casing layer. i think iot's calcium carbonate 33%. will that work?

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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: Coaster]
    #9370778 - 12/05/08 07:15 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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dude i thought u were smarter than this
a matter of fact i tried snorting without it and it in fact DID NOT WORK
y dont u stop supplying ppl with misinformation bra




Did you grind the powder for both tests together, then take half and add baking soda?  Because otherwise the difference could easily be attributed to the huge bariability in the seeds' alkaloid content.  It makes very little sense that baking soda would make more than a slight difference.

Also, have you tried comparing baking soda-based snuff to lime-based snuff?  I did (grinding the seeds together to minimize external variables), and I can tell you the lime snuff works quite a bit better.

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i got some lime that i was going to use for my casing layer. i think iot's calcium carbonate 33%. will that work?







As long as the other 67% doesn't contain something you shouldn't be snorting, that'll be fine.

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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9372488 - 12/05/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

ya dude i did a controlled study
and the results indicated exactly the opposite of what u said
i dont no y u would speculate like that without actually knowing man
u shouldnt say things unless u no 4 sure
my friend said it felt like he was crawling on the ceiling after he did 1 line
sum powerful snuff.


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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: Coaster]
    #9372578 - 12/05/08 01:33 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

how big was the line?


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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: Jorkest]
    #9372603 - 12/05/08 01:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

bout the length of a lighter


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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: Jorkest]
    #9372620 - 12/05/08 01:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

and in your guide there..you say bufotoxin? bufotenine is a LOVELY chemical...that is the cause of the amazing visuals.. A. columbrina has lots of mostly bufotenine.. which is quite nice indeed..you just need to prepare it correctly by bringing the pH up to a certain point..that baking soda doesnt do..you can take sodium bicarbonate and convert it into a stronger base...sodium carbonate...you can do this by putting the sodium bicarbonate into the oven for an hour at around 400 degrees F...this converts it into sodium carbonate which is a powerful enough base to basify the bufotenine..so that its not a salt..other wise it will just cause nausea


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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: Jorkest]
    #9372626 - 12/05/08 01:39 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

ya ok i actually did it in real life and i no for a fact it worx so stop speculating


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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: Coaster]
    #9373059 - 12/05/08 02:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I know from personal experience that baking soda+seeds versus raw seeds makes no difference in smoking the material, they're both equal to one another and inferior to carbonate or lime preparations.  I'll have to do some experimenting with snuffing the raw seeds to chime in with personal experience on that account. (Purely out of curiosity; why get all that peanut-buttery gunk in your nose when you can just smoke it?)

Also jorkest is right to point out your use of the word bufotoxin.  Bufotoxins are cardiac glycosides present in some kinds of toad skin.  They are not present in yopo/cebil/vilca.  The chemical that causes the nausea has not been identified, but it has been isolated by flash column chromatography.

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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9373070 - 12/05/08 02:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

dude omfg r u serious
obviously that wont change anything when smoked
its for snorting maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan


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Re: anadenanthera colubrina [Re: Coaster]
    #9373222 - 12/05/08 03:09 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

lolwut? You're saying that smoking a salt is no different than smoking a freebase? :wtf:

Then why isn't smoking cocaine salts the same as smoking crack rocks?

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