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OfflineJazzMatazz
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Rye without Pressure Cooker so what?
    #936361 - 10/06/02 01:29 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Is it not possible to spawn shrooms on rye without having used a pressure-cooker , or is the contam-rate just higher than boiling it?


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Re: Rye without Pressure Cooker so what? [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #936596 - 10/06/02 03:57 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

The small air pockets and structural cavities in the grain must be penetrated by steam. This is not going to happen without a pc. Your substrate will contaminate. From Stamets:

In a single gram of commercial rye, Secale cereale, there is an estimated cell count of 50,000- 100,000 bacteria, more than 200,000 actinomyces, 12,000 fungi and a large number of yeasts. To sterilize one gram of grain would require, in effect, the destruction of more than 300,000 contaminants!



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Re: Rye without Pressure Cooker so what? [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #936710 - 10/06/02 04:48 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Grains are a NO GO without a PC...
:crazy: :tongue: :crazy:
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Re: Rye without Pressure Cooker so what? [Re: JazzMatazz]
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Re: Rye without Pressure Cooker so what? [Re: Anno]
    #938051 - 10/07/02 12:51 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

OK guys , thanks for the answers... I guess Im gonna have to borrow won , from somewhere  :confused: But where??!! :confused: 


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[Re: JazzMatazz]
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Re: Rye without Pressure Cooker so what? [Re: matts]
    #938133 - 10/07/02 01:21 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Another, more time consuming method is the fractional sterilization. In this case, the jars fitted with a filter or a polyfil lid filter are boiled or steamed 212?F (100?C) for 30 min in a covered pot, three days in a row. Between the boiling steps the jars are best kept warm, around 30?C, to allow the remaining spores to germinate. The basic principle behind this method is that any resistant spores should germinate after the first heating and therefore be susceptible to killing during the second and third heating.

Taken from the link above....
why dont you just do it this way???


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Re: Rye without Pressure Cooker so what? [Re: bowling-name]
    #938774 - 10/07/02 08:21 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

that's like 150,000,000 lives destroyed per quart jar. You bastards! The people frrom peta will be on our asses for sure.


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Re: Rye without Pressure Cooker so what? [Re: Shaw]
    #938785 - 10/07/02 08:25 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

They deserve to die.  :laugh: :grin: :wink:

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Re: Rye without Pressure Cooker so what? [Re: SixTango]
    #938817 - 10/07/02 08:34 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

They deserve to die.



Yeah! Besides: It's my Jar , so  I decide who gets to live in it , right?  :wink: 


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Re: Rye without Pressure Cooker so what? [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #938835 - 10/07/02 08:41 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Frac sterilization is a PITA (pain in the ass) & iffy.

If you don't have a PC, or cannot beg or borrow one. If there is a volcano in your neck of the woods, the steam vents get up to PC temps .........J/K :smile: :wink:

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