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InvisibleSwami
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Total Amazement
    #936011 - 10/06/02 05:29 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yes fellow shroomers, I am completely flabbergasted that either

A. So many of you believe feverishly in total nonsense.

or

B. The mysterious powers that you believe in are so pathetically weak as to be unable to be clearly demonstrated.

So you tell me which it is: Gullibility or Ineffectivity?


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Swami]
    #936016 - 10/06/02 05:43 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Huh?


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Shroomism]
    #936031 - 10/06/02 06:04 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I guess I left out the ability to comprehend. Thanks for filling in the third possibility.

Why are amazing and extraordinary powers less powerful and amazing than a child picking up a penny from the floor? Why are spiritual powers supposedly capable of moving mountains unable to move a nanogram of material? Why are the "healing" powers of prayer no different than random chance? Why is telepathy no different than random coincidence?

Billions believe in special powers that are not special and cannot be shown. If that is not mental illness then I am not sure what is.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Swami]
    #936063 - 10/06/02 07:23 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

swami, i will alway appreciate your humor, you go dude.

i'm going straight to hell

you know my thoughts are very creative, the create my reality you know

i want my girlfriend back

her favorite band was I.C.P.

SEXY COOL CHICK


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Swami]
    #936104 - 10/06/02 09:31 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe these powers have nothing to do with this world. Though I CAN PROOVE mushrooms give you big powers compatible with the real world! Just think mushrooms gives you another view on the reality. Food and everything around you gives the normal view that all people have. Now just make the equation system formed by theese 2 diffrent realities and you will find the only reality! I know a lot of you have thought of this...


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Swami]
    #936111 - 10/06/02 09:44 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Zuh?



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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Swami]
    #936121 - 10/06/02 10:04 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

spiritual powers supposedly capable of moving mountains unable to move a nanogram of material


it says "faith moves mountains"... you lack it, big time... so you will never experience it... you will NEVER experience the beauty and the power or the spiritual realms, unless you believe in them...


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Swami]
    #936177 - 10/06/02 11:24 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

1. I am glad you are back posting. I have been concerned.

2. Apples and oranges may make a nice fruit salad but do not encourage honest debate.

3. Someone peed in my stream of consciousness. I'm calling the EPA.

4. The love of money is the root of all evil.

In sum:

The manifestation of the universe as a complex idea unto itself as opposed to being in or outside the true Being of itself is inherently a conceptual nothingness or Nothingness in relation to any abstract form of existing or to exist or having existed in perpetuity and not subject to laws of physicality or motion or ideas relating to non-matter or the lack of objective Being or subjective otherness.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Swami]
    #936190 - 10/06/02 11:45 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

spiritual powers supposedly capable of moving mountains unable to move a nanogram of material




Yeap, i believe in orgasms and all its power.

MAIA


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: In(di)go]
    #936227 - 10/06/02 12:16 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"faith moves mountains"... you lack it, big time... so you will never experience it... you will NEVER experience the beauty and the power or the spiritual realms, unless you believe in them...

We have been down this road many times. If I spray an invisible, odorless, tasteless nerve gas in your face, you will die regardless of what you believe about it because belief is merely an interpretation of the world not the creating force behind it.

Please explain how your form of belief is different from self-delusion. Please explain why those that DO have faith are unable to heal others or themselves; never mind moving mountains.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Swami]
    #936429 - 10/06/02 02:20 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Again, Swami,

You are being an ignorant fuck and I'm sick of it.

You wanna see some real mystical shit? Find a tai chi master and ask him to send his energy to you. They can make people hot, make skin tingle, and make people move without the person actually chosing to move.

Oh of course, the people they do this too are full of shit right? They want to believe it so they falsely percieve things that aren't raelly happening? Right.



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Re: Total Amazement [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #936474 - 10/06/02 02:39 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You are being an ignorant fuck
Ah, I should adopt a more loving attitude like yours.

...and I'm sick of it.
What exactly are you sick of? Are you so uncentered as to anger so easily over nothing?

You wanna see some real mystical shit? Find a tai chi master and ask him to send his energy to you.
Do you want to recommend someone in particular? I studied under a Shaolin master who was amazing physically, but I saw no evidence of any mystical powers. Guess I didn't study under the "right" master.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Swami]
    #936534 - 10/06/02 03:18 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

aye, tai chi.......it is not so much mystical powers but changing and controlling the flow of energy through the human body. Chi is energy controlled. aye is can be viewed as mystical powers but also just a shit load of training and will power of the mind. One day i will become that good. But when i do become that good, it will be like nothing to me. I will have an aura or presence around me. it will be total controll. I am sure you felt this around your master Swami. If not then i guess he was not at that level. But no doubt probibly still a bad ass mother fucker

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Re: Total Amazement [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #936626 - 10/06/02 04:08 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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You are being an ignorant fuck and I'm sick of it.

We try not to use such language when addressing each other. If Swami's posts rankle ask yourself which nerve they are hitting and why. Comments such as those make some think you cannot speak intelligently.

Currently we do not have a rule against flaming. Neither do we want to create one. Please keep such comments to a minimum. Thank you.

You are among friends here.

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Re: Total Amazement [Re: ]
    #936633 - 10/06/02 04:13 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I might add that we are all ignorant fucks, what's bad is not realizing that you're ignorant.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Evolving]
    #936653 - 10/06/02 04:20 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Word.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Evolving]
    #936680 - 10/06/02 04:35 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Indeed.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Swami]
    #936690 - 10/06/02 04:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Here is one of Timothy Leary's responses in an interview to something. I just thought of it when reading this post. I share the same views as him, and look at what people call material or spiritual as energy.

"TIMOTHY: But the brain is a receiving instrument that picks it up? Yes. Well, there's no question. You don't have to say non-material. You're just referring to something we haven't been able to measure yet. See, the air is full of television signals, and to show a primitive person that, they'd think it was magic, or it's immaterial. It's not. It is material. Remember, almost everything that the former primitive religions called spiritual, you can redefine as being immeasurable right now by our level of equipment.

The planet earth is being bombarded by radio signals from outer space, none of which are comprehensible to us, and part of evolution is the increasing ability to detect information. You see, it's all information, everything is information. Morphogenetic information is information signals that we are now too crude and childish to pick up. I tend to resist strongly this notion that there's a spiritual thing that's outward beyond science, because then we have no options, we're just kind of helpless victims, and someone comes along and does it. So I have no quarrel at all with this notion. My only quarrel is with people who try to limit or moralize about different options."



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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #936762 - 10/06/02 05:04 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Wise words. You're the man Tim.

Just because your eyes can't see something doesn't mean its not there. If somebody else (with their eyes more open perhaps) sees something and tells you that beyond the shadow of a doubt there is something there, will you believe him? Maybe you'll try looking yourself, but maybe you brain just can't interpret the images and steadfastly denies its presence. Either way, lets all just try to keep an open mind and not so valiantly disagree with things we cannot undestand, because maybe there's somebody out there who can.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: ]
    #936796 - 10/06/02 05:13 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry for the rude overreaction, that wasn't fair I know. But after seeing him mock the perceptions of so many of us over and over I was getting a little pissed off. I'm not in the most peaceful state of mind at the moment, I'm under the influence of exhaustion so I apologize for stepping out of line.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #936818 - 10/06/02 05:21 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you.

I am sorry to hear you are so tired.  I have found that my best frame of mind comes when I do not have some physical need pressing me.  That is why I do the inward check to see why something hits a nerve.  I have learned much that way.

Welcome to this Forum, in case someone hasn't welcomed you already. :smile:

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Re: Total Amazement [Re: ]
    #936913 - 10/06/02 05:58 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, exhaustion is depleting. It really sucks me away from a lot of what I've learned. I've been waking up far too early for school, although I love school so very much. I did get a little back today though, after going for some rather delicious mexican food I felt connected to the trees I saw on my drive home. They were fabulous, I feel refreshed.

Although, seemingly *negative* states of mind often have so very much to teach, as do negative experiences. I spoke before of being warned about danger and then getting injured when i didn't listen. It had to happen and I'm happy it did. It hurt, but the chaos, rage and fear I felt was incredible, looking back it was refreshing. I needed energy like that to remind me how good I have it, and how much I need to listen to the Earth.

It's when I have *no* energy that I get stupid, rude and angry, even rage puts me in a better position than exhaustion, i am more intelligent with rage, i get things done because I channel it well. *sigh* well, the mexican food helped a lot, i needed *something* that they put in there, maybe it was the spice or the cilantro that put me in the right frame of mind.

Anyways, enough blabbing- thanks for the welcome, its much appreciated.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: dumlovesyou]
    #937409 - 10/06/02 09:13 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Though I CAN PROOVE mushrooms give you big powers compatible with the real world!

Please do! I would love to see your proof.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #937799 - 10/06/02 11:12 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

It had to happen and I'm happy it did. It hurt, but the chaos, rage and fear I felt was incredible, looking back it was refreshing. I needed energy like that to remind me how good I have it, and how much I need to listen to the Earth.

Hell yeah, I know what your saying... it takes wisdom to be able to look at such negative experiences as a learning or "refreshing" experience. These emotions can clear the way for healing and growth.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #937883 - 10/06/02 11:50 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Your post made me realise why I've seemingly been caught in a mental  loop for the last few months.  I'm too exhausted!  My job is strenuous and I don't get enough sleep.  Right there I've got the physical makings for mental blockage, or depression.
I had a huge meal at an Indian restaurant tonight and it felt so good to be just stuffed.
Now I just need to quit my job... heh  :tongue:

"Although, seemingly *negative* states of mind often have so very much to teach, as do negative experiences."

This is so true.  I'm greatful for all the states of mind I've experienced in this life, no matter how awful it is at the time.  Experience is the greatest lesson...

As for the topic of this thread, I have nothing to say.  :grin: 


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #938704 - 10/07/02 07:52 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I am very glad that something I said helped you out:) Some jobs are just killer, they completely deplete you, its at that point that you have to decide if its worth it or not. This job probably had a lot to teach you though, maybe about *not* letting something you hate control and destroy your life? hehe.

And yes, I'm also grateful for all the experiences I've had although many were seemingly bad, I don't know what it is, but i'm incredibly accident prone- i got stuck in my mother while being born and was an ememrgency cessarian, i got a rare and dangerous strain on pneumonia as a toddler, i fell off the counter and hit my head on the cement floor when i was 3, i've cut myself millions of times, i got hit by a car when i was 11, i had my knee dislocated about 2 months ago, i get a new bruise or cut like every week at least, then there was the rock. I have no idea why i keep getting hurt (maybe i'm just dumb) but all my injury experiences have taught me something, and i have yet to break a bone. '

I also used to be really depressed and people were mean to me as a kid.... but god, because of that experience I've grown so much. I think i needed that so that I would learn how to be almost completely confident within *myself* regardless of what other people say or do. At first that shit put me back a lot spiritually, but when i realized that was happening i got angry- and i bounced back really fast.

Anyways, point is- experience is a wonderful teacher, even negative experience. It's all so valuable. I'm grateful for my injury. I'm grateful it wasn't worse, I'm thrilled that my hand will be alright within the next week and that the rock didn't injure my hand enough to stop me from being able to play guitar again. Music is my life. I need this hand. But yeah, the whole thing was a great lesson.

I also take it to mean that the Earth required my blood, as maybe weird or gross as this sounds- i think it "decided" It was time for me to offer myself and commit to Gaia on such a level, blood sacrafice is incredibly powerful magick. That kind of connection is binding and I find it perfectly acceptable that my blood was given to a place I find so much peace and beauty in. I guess it was a kind of spontaneous ritual of sorts. That kind of energy, then later the euphoria....

Ok I'll stop talking now, i'm going off on a tangent trying to express thoughts that make far more sense in my right brain than in the left.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Swami]
    #938873 - 10/07/02 08:54 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Truth only comes from paradox. So it doesn't amaze me that special powers manifest in the annoing way that they do.the big wisdom resembels foolness,but than what would there be the alternative,we would witnes certified man of power.triyng to solve a mistery only deepens it,paradoxal shit. the manifestations of the power can be experienced and expresed only in individuality,trying to show something to anyone else is an alien experience,an experience imposible to asimilate which only give you an idea of what somebody else experienced.

2. MY eyes have seen and also doctors were there seeing a chineese guy healing womens of breast cancer!! This cancer is something that grows pretty big and can easily be felt by hand. In some cases it's biger than the size of a plum. Doctors were there touching and confirming the cancer before the chineese guy started. It DIDN't even touch them. Made just few mooves. Doctors confirmed after that the cancer disapeared at all the womens!! It was also demonstrated by doctors after making scientific analysys in hospital! Is this a miracle for you? The master said it's just chineese medicine that has to do with energies (chi). What do you mean by mysterous powers?? What else do you think we believe? The things that shroomism says for example are very original, they don't belong to believing.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: dumlovesyou]
    #939186 - 10/07/02 10:36 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Chi is bullshit... unless it's a metaphor.

Why is it that so many who subscribe to wackiness are grammatically retarded?
There can't be that many foreigners in here.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Sclorch]
    #939391 - 10/07/02 11:57 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, but what about Louis Armstrong seeing that catchy tune?

Dat's da shit! :grin:

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Re: Total Amazement [Re: ]
    #939971 - 10/07/02 02:51 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

What... does obscurity come with age?


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Sclorch]
    #940051 - 10/07/02 03:17 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I see trees of green, psylocibe mushrooms too
I see them bloom for me and you
And I think to myself what a wonderful world


My previous post should have said singing instead of seeing.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: ]
    #940057 - 10/07/02 03:19 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Ah... yeah, I like that too...

It was the "Re: Sclorch" that threw me off.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Sclorch]
    #940067 - 10/07/02 03:23 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Chi is bullshit... unless it's a metaphor.

Why is it that so many who subscribe to wackiness are grammatically retarded?
There can't be that many foreigners in here.


I have seen reiki masters and other masters + students utltizing energy under a different philosophy called UBHE.

I've been a participant, making notes of any *energetic* sensations around my body. The one common phenonemon between reiki and UBHE is:

Reikie master places his/her hands specifically on points above my pelvis, I I feel a force leaving my feet. Energy flowing out. Like getting pulled by an unseen force at the feet.

In UBHE, I have witnessed countless times on how the healers position themselves around the recipient (me being one of them). One is standing with hand on the recipeint's crown and one hand on the recipient's third eye. The other sitting healer places his/her toes on top of the recipeints, and uses his/her hands to hold the recipients thumbs.

This called (my wording) the "pushing empty force" on top, pulling the "gunk" out from the bottom. The sitting healer gets the whole brunt of the negative energy as he/she is attempting to help pull it into her/his body to make the healing process quicker.

How do I know this? I was that sitting healer several times. It didn't take long before I got physcially sick because I wasn't experienced enough. I was only Level 2, while the others were 3s or 4s.

I was initiated in nov/00 to level 2. The attunement was powerful enough that I could feel a full body rippling, cascading out from the point of contact of the master's fingers on the chakras. My body slightly twitched and shook from the transfer.

Group meditations with UBHE are great also. I zone out so fast. While at home, it's not the same, taking much longer to reach the state of calmness.

So please, do not insult my intelligence by spewing "chi is bullshit."



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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Calen]
    #940092 - 10/07/02 03:31 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

and if you state something like that, please add the "i think" in front...

"i think chi is bullshit"... sounds much better...

and calen: i know what you are talking about, my mother is a reiki master...


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: In(di)go]
    #940589 - 10/07/02 06:34 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Have been to Certified Reiki "Master" for a degenerative spinal disorder. Other than a lessening of green energy from my wallet, I experienced no healing or energy whatsoever.

As usual the retort will most likely be:

A. I went to the "wrong" Master (how does one find a "true" Master?)

B. I am more powerful than the Reiki Master and blocked her healing energy.

C. I am just too dense to acknowledge the healing.

You pick...


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Swami]
    #940788 - 10/07/02 07:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

Just because your eyes can't see something doesn't mean its not there




So very true, i believe this is what psychedelics teach us? Maybe this is why timothy leary was deamed the MOST DANGEROUS MAN IN THE WORLD? Something isn't right with that, maybe he has discovered somthing others, don't want ofthers to know? Hehe they only want you to believe only whats in the phyisical realm.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Swami]
    #940818 - 10/07/02 07:48 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You forgot D. All of the Above

Your mystic skills of skeptism completely knocked her out of her zone, thus the healing wasn't successful and since you were more powerful she wasn't the "right" master.  Also what little healing she did do was reversed by the negative polarity of you rsoul while the planet neptune was in retrograde...  LOL  OK I'll stop now.    :cool: 


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Swami]
    #940854 - 10/07/02 07:56 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I picked none.  Who am I to judge your experience and results?  Not unless you judge mine or others.  hehe I can only relate with my experiences.  One of them was:  each reiki's master strength was not the same.  I've gone to 3 on separate occasions.  Each one's strength was different. 

The first one was the strongest of all.  6-7 years experience at that time. She said she felt this burst from my chest (energy flowing out) while I was speaking to her on the phone.    I said nothing at al about the burst during the inital convo.  I didn't even realized it was happening until she mentioned it.  I briefly examine the sensation; the same effect like the force at my feet.

the second one actually placed her hands on me.  20+ years of experience at that time. The force at the feet was observed.  The her hands were unusually warm, warmer than non-reiki hands.

the third one, I didn't feel anything at all.  She was just certified.  compared to the previous two who had experience ranging from 6 to 20 years.

Overall, the healing for me was just partial cleansing.  I wasn't expecting miracles.

I should also mention that the UHBE system utlizes as many healers as possible on the recipient if it is necessary.  I've heard a group of 10 on 1 person.  I've seen a group of 5 on 1 person many times. 

All the chapters  in the US and Canada do the sessions for free, always.


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Lucky you... Free sessions. :smile:

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Re: Total Amazement [Re: postalboy]
    #940857 - 10/07/02 07:56 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

LOL

rsoul???

It would be hard to accidentally hit R while aiming for S, O, or U...
fun with phonetics, eh?


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Sclorch]
    #940895 - 10/07/02 08:10 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

How original... heh



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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Calen]
    #940930 - 10/07/02 08:22 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Awww... cheer up.

The older the trickster, the better-honed the trick.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Swami]
    #941045 - 10/07/02 09:01 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I beleive one must not be narrow minded about anything. I have seen demonstrations of these things, such as ki. I have done it myself accually. Everytime I think I know something about the world, my understanding changes.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Sclorch]
    #941081 - 10/07/02 09:11 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The older the trickster, the better-honed the trick.

Chi isn't a trick. If you ever get an illness you'll change your mind.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Xlea321]
    #941143 - 10/07/02 09:36 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Many people have had illnesses and not had their mind's changed, but schlorch will? I would wager otherwise.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Glacius]
    #941150 - 10/07/02 09:38 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

If I were narrow-minded I would not have spent thousands of hours and dollars checking these things out. In 30 years, every mystical claimant that I have investigated has failed to make good in front of me.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Xlea321]
    #941152 - 10/07/02 09:38 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Chi isn't a trick.
So I'm told...
Of course I've been told many things that weren't true.
Chi is often paraded as being something that works quite well... I wonder if it works better or worse than the placebo effect.

If you ever get an illness you'll change your mind.

Knock on wood I won't. *knock knock*
Why don't you change my mind on someone who is already sick?
If I had the cash, I'd have every Chi Master (or whatever you call him/her) visit every patient in the local hospital. I'd bet them their plane tickets home that no significant effect could be noted. Of course, none would take me up on it.

If I ever have the cash, I WILL most certainly put such charlatans on the spot.
It would be worth me buying many round trips to heal the sick.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Sclorch]
    #941199 - 10/07/02 10:05 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Chi.... or Qi as it is now spelled... is real.

It is an ancient and very advanced knowledge.
Qi has the power to heal... or destroy.
In martial art applications qi channels or cavities "pressure point", are used to disrupt the nervous system...
Similarly these same channels can be manipulated that produce healing effects via accupuntcure or massage. Of course.. the healer or martial artist must know exactly where to strike and what effect it will have. This requires a vast knowledge of the qi cavities.

Qi is an energy, produced by humans and all living things.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Shroomism]
    #941236 - 10/07/02 10:27 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Chi.... or Qi as it is now spelled... is real.

More like "Qi is a real THEORY..."


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Sclorch]
    #941264 - 10/07/02 10:36 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Shroomism]
    #941288 - 10/07/02 10:54 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Riiiight. And where is it they offer Ph.D.s in Alienology?

I have a relative in a foreign country that practices acupuncture on animals.
I read his ambiguous-at-best patient files... nothing concrete.

I think this anecdotal evidence is QUITE sufficient... what do you think, Swami?


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Sclorch]
    #941289 - 10/07/02 10:55 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

George Lucas' "the force" is based on Qi. So I know it's real.

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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Sclorch]
    #941387 - 10/08/02 12:25 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Sclorch]
    #941392 - 10/08/02 12:27 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Hmmm, sounds like the Filipino psychic surgeons that magically remove chicken gizzards from human patients. Must be real...


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Sclorch]
    #941563 - 10/08/02 03:35 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

It seems to me you are trying to find everyone a mistake or something. You reply just to some non important things like grammar and stuff. Also state things wihtout knowing anything about it. Chi might not exist it's something I personally not proove but those women healed were real! What do you have to say about that? What about what I said before that in the post? No mistake?
And Yes, I am not a born English speaker. That doesn't mean I am a FORIGNER! Is the shroomery english or american? SEE YOU SHROOM!


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Swami]
    #941610 - 10/08/02 04:08 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I have always taken the acceptance of acupuncture into major medical facilities as evidence of its efficaciousness. Would you care to comment on that?


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    #941987 - 10/08/02 08:21 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Can only state my own experience. I did five treatments for back muscle spasms and got no relief. They were somewhat expensive and not covered by insurance. So with not even the slightest improvement, I discontinued. From my limited experience, I would guess placebo effect as the practitioner herself told me five treatments would make a marked difference.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Sclorch]
    #942040 - 10/08/02 08:52 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

when i lived in china, i went to see a group that practised a form of tai-chi known as 'push-hands', two practioners stand at full arms reach and touch the backs of their right hands together, the idea is as one pushes, the other retracts so the push is neutralized, playing with force, they call this force - chi.
the chinese character for it means 'breath'.
(btw - the tai in tai-chi, means 'great')
i had a try with one of these guys. he was smaller than me and skinny.
we took our places, with my elbow slightly bent, i placed the back of my hand against his. he didn't seem to move anything but i was flung backwards into the air as though had given me a huge electric shock. i landed on my back 3 meters away. bastard laughed. this took place in a large field, there was nothing but grass in the vicinty.
i saw my kung-fu teacher bend and snap spears by placing the point against the soft part of his throat, below the adam's apple, and the shaft into the corner of the wall and the floor. then he puts his hands behind his back and walks forward until the shaft bends and snaps. i trained with these same spears for 3 years, it takes a bit of power to snap them. he explained it by saying he directs chi to the area the blade is pushing into, to make the area firm and resist the point.

also saw a guy in zhejiang prefecture do the same trick but with an inch thick steel bar, sharpened at the throat end, i picked up the bar afterwards, it was heavy and i couldn't straighten it. ( i guess i needed swami there to identify the
sleight of hand)

so having been knocked on my ass by it, i wouldn't like to deny the existance of chi.


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: mr crisper]
    #942265 - 10/08/02 10:32 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah..so here are some Shaolin monks in their third year of Qi gong training... doing some Qi energy exercises... channeling Qi to deflect blows..







pretty standard really..


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Shroomism]
    #942336 - 10/08/02 11:00 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah... I'm quite familiar with the Shaolin practices... as well as other performance artists (ie. magicians).

Nothing amazing... just physics, practice, and a little bit of fairy dust :wink:


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Sclorch]
    #942349 - 10/08/02 11:05 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You're hilarious  :laugh: 


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Shroomism]
    #942557 - 10/08/02 12:46 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I don't get it. Why did the guy need a sledgehammer to break the concrete block in picture 3? I could do THAT!


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Re: Total Amazement [Re: Sclorch]
    #942683 - 10/08/02 01:37 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

What trick? ahah

Maybe his typing skills needs improvement. hehe


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