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Offlinehyper_dermic
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BIrdseed Juice
    #935875 - 10/06/02 02:49 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Ok so i went ahead and got some birdseed today (wild finch seed).
i saw a post on here for water content said to simmer the crap in water for 40min and then strain and rinse and let dry for 15 min...
then to spoon into quart jar with polyfill and PC....

well i went ahead and did all that, but i saved the juice from the birdseed.... it was all thick and stinky and seemed like it would be full of nutrients...
i went ahead and made a syringe or 2 of the juice, and put the rest in jars and proceeded to pressure cook it....

i was thinkin i could inject the cakes i have with this nutrient rich juice...
my question is, when would be the optmium time to inject my cakes... after birth i did a 12 hour dunk in spring water....
should i wait untill i see fruit to inject them?
or post flush pre dunk?
or post flush, post dunk?

has anyone tried this before?
how much juice does each cake eat up?

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Re: BIrdseed Juice [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #935972 - 10/06/02 04:43 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

first, you should sterilize your juice syringue
i think the best time to add nutrients is dunking (after birth or after the 1st flush)


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Re: BIrdseed Juice [Re: sluglee]
    #937006 - 10/06/02 06:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

everything is sterlized :smile:

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Re: BIrdseed Juice [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #937396 - 10/06/02 09:09 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

By "juice" do you mean what was left over from the forty minutes of simmering? If anything, this would probably contaminate your cakes as it likely contains plenty of microbes, spores, and other nasties in addition to nutrients.

If you mean what was left over from pressure cooking (you poured off liquid from your jars after sterilization?), then it would probably be OK, but wouldn't result in better fruits. The cake provides all the nutrients that are needed to form mushrooms. The cakes will probably not fruit until the myclium have all but exhausted the nutrients so wouldn't injecting nutrients before you see a flush result in delayed fruiting? If you wait to inject until the cake is pretty much done cropping (you can dunk it to rehydrate it at this point as well), I don't see the harm in experimenting. You could try some other nutrient injections as well to compare at this point (I believe Fungi Perfecti sells a nutrient mix) to see which has the best re-energizing capabilities.


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Re: BIrdseed Juice [Re: bowling-name]
    #937514 - 10/06/02 09:44 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

"By "juice" do you mean what was left over from the forty minutes of simmering? If anything, this would probably contaminate your cakes as it likely contains plenty of microbes, spores, and other nasties in addition to nutrients. "

Not if he PC's that "juice" first. the endospores from grains (if I recall correctly) are in the grains themselves, thus the need to PC them AFTER simmering PRIOR to use.


Then again, I may be wrong, I'm a farmer by trade...


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Re: BIrdseed Juice [Re: Loop_Theorist]
    #937735 - 10/06/02 10:40 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Endosperm, not endospore. The endosperm is the triploiod carbohydrate food source provided by thje plant to provide energy to the growing embryo.

I think that it is a good idea to add the nutrients, but I'd wait until after the first flush. The fungus could probably take some benefit from a nutrient burst then, while I doubt it would make much of a difference prior to the first flush.


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Re: BIrdseed Juice [Re: Gao]
    #938346 - 10/07/02 02:18 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

That juice tends to be bird-kote and any other dirt boiled off.
There might be some nutrients but not enough to make the juice worth anything.


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[Re: Gao]
    #938394 - 10/07/02 02:36 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)



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