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OfflineChubbSubb
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A nice video...
    #934662 - 10/05/02 04:04 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

This is a video by Woody Harrelson. I enjoyed it.

http://www.voiceyourself.com/thoughts/thoughts.html

Click on the butterfly......

Peace, Trevor :smile: 


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Re: A nice video... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #934698 - 10/05/02 04:25 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I like it. Thanks! Hey, this site has lots of useful information if you're into that kind of thing. I'll be checking back with Woody too.


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Re: A nice video... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #934714 - 10/05/02 04:34 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

someone should buy tv airtime and play that kind of shit...


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Re: A nice video... [Re: CleverName]
    #934723 - 10/05/02 04:36 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I agree 100% Check out....

http://www.guerrillanews.com/newsvideo/


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Re: A nice video... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #934826 - 10/05/02 05:36 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Wow! I likes it.


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Re: A nice video... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #935306 - 10/05/02 10:36 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i love to see people waking up to these thoughts... people waking up, and standing up to shout to the world... we need change... and we can change this... lets put our force together and start beeing an example to the world... it's in our hands...


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Re: A nice video... [Re: In(di)go]
    #935546 - 10/06/02 12:33 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Todays underground counter culture needs to surface. It is bigger today than it was in the 60's, its just underground. There are a lot of 'awake' people and we need to come together to make a change in this world for the better. The internet is key.


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Re: A nice video... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #936230 - 10/06/02 12:19 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

We need someone to bring it to the surface. We need a common rallying point in order to unify. Any volunteers?


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Re: A nice video... [Re: Metasyn]
    #936299 - 10/06/02 01:01 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Let us get off our asses and out from behind the computer.


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Re: A nice video... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #936338 - 10/06/02 01:17 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

thanks for that awesome video link!!! I just sent it to everyone on my icq list


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Re: A nice video... [Re: chodamunky]
    #936359 - 10/06/02 01:29 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

A cahnge is great for sure, as long as the thoughts aren't technology is bad, lets go back to nature, all is one type hippie bs. It is what we could be doing with technology and the environment that we need to change.


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Re: A nice video... [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #936365 - 10/06/02 01:33 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Shroomers, stoners Unite. I will help with the change, but where shall we start?


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Re: A nice video... [Re: GrowingVines]
    #936377 - 10/06/02 01:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Look in the mirror...


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OfflineChubbSubb
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Re: A nice video... [Re: GrowingVines]
    #936388 - 10/06/02 01:50 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

It is not 'shroomers, stoners unite.' It is, good people and smart people with the right ideas of what direction our species should be heading for a good future on earth. Let us not taint a revolutionary movement with pot head sterotypes.


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Re: A nice video... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #936632 - 10/06/02 04:12 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"It is, good people and smart people with the right ideas of what direction our species should be heading for a good future on earth".

And they're very few and far between. The majority just goes along with what the government and big corporations tell us. How do you break up this interdependent relationship that keeps (bad and dumb people with the wrong ideas of what direction our species should be heading) in charge indefinitely?

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order. " - David Rockefeller

Unfortunately, most people will do little to nothing to change this system unless a major crisis comes along --which it will no doubt. Not to discourage you from starting though. I think each of us must start with ourselves. In America and some of the other industrial nations it means changing our gluttonous and wasteful ways. Easier said than done. I'm making little progress so far. Everything is designed to perpetuate the system. Dropping out seems like the best solution. I am reading how to do that.


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Re: A nice video... [Re: frogsheath]
    #936649 - 10/06/02 04:18 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I agree, it starts with personal evolution and awakening. We need to make personal evolution and awakening a top priority as a species to begin evolving as a species. It all comes down to understanding. As far as a major crisis goes, look around your polluted city or watch the news for ten minutes.


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Re: A nice video... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #936781 - 10/06/02 05:08 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I don't need to watch television thanks, and I doubt "my polluted city" is the kind of "right major crisis" that David Rockefeller means to spawn his "New World Order" --I borrowed that ironic quote from chodamunky's signature by the way. I am advocating dropping out of consumer culture as much as possible for each individual. I believe thit culture is what binds us (and makes us vulnerable). It will be the source of the "right" major crisis if we don't start physically doing something about it. It's not just cities by the way. Have you heard about the level of PCBs found recently in polar bears in Greenland. They think it's from airplane traffic in and out of Europe I think. I will find some info and post it. It's a world-wide system of consumption and environmental degradation that worries me. Most of it has to do with food production.


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Re: A nice video... [Re: frogsheath]
    #936843 - 10/06/02 05:30 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I get the feeling you misinterpreted my signauture quote. The New World Order is nothing to look forward to (unless yer a filthy rich elitist who has power) and "the right major crisis" is not the awaking of people to something better, bur rather to something worse. Take Sept 11th, for example. That would fit David Rockefeller's (who is a filthy rick elitist) view of a right major crisis since it further degraded our Constitutional Rights, and started a "never ending war on terrorism" that has already brought misery and pain to millions of people in the middle east.


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Re: A nice video... [Re: chodamunky]
    #936877 - 10/06/02 05:43 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I guess we're both being ironic.  I know the quote bodes ill for most of us --I wasn't sure how you felt about it in the context of your signature.  Since I'm on this subject, my signature is pretty lame and perhaps it sends the wrong message.  What  I meant was that if armageddon does happen it's not entirely our fault --so let's have a good time going out at least.  :laugh:  I should find something else to put there.  But I really don't see how I conveyed that I was looking forward to a "New World Order" or that  I think it's something good.  I used it ironically (as I assume you did) it to point out the capitalist power structure which controls our cosumer society. 


Edited by frogsheath (10/06/02 06:02 PM)


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Re: A nice video... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #936975 - 10/06/02 06:25 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks Trev! Very Nice!

Or as Todd would say:

Half of me wants to knock you out
Half of me wants to tell you that I'm sorry, so sorry
Meanwhile, half of the world wants to scream and
shout at half of the world
Just like you and I
Just another fact of life
We plan and we scheme
'Til there's nothing left of our little dream
But half of the time I can't decide and
Half of the time I'm petrified

I want to change the world
I want to make it well
How can I change the world
When I can't change myself
Try again tomorrow
I'd love to change your mind
Capture your citadel
How could I change your mind
If I can't change myself
Try again tomorrow

Both of us want to win this fight
Both of us think the other is mistaken, so mistaken
Meanwhile, everyone wants to take up sides
So everyone helps us to fall apart
Just another fact of life
It's hard to play fair
And it's so easy to pretend to care
But if nobody wants to share the blame
Then everyone gets more of the same

If I want more peace in the world
Then I must make peace with myself
If I want more trust in the world
Then I've got to trust in myself
If I want more love in the world
I must show more love to myself


Unfortunately freedom has a price.

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Re: A nice video... [Re: ]
    #937466 - 10/06/02 09:28 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"Unfortunately freedom has a price."
would you care to elaborate on that? I assume you mean we must sacrifice something --and what would that be? --in the context of the issues brought up by the video.


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Re: A nice video... [Re: frogsheath]
    #938347 - 10/07/02 02:18 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I tend not to elaborate in two separate instances, either when the truth is obvious or when the audience cannot perceive correctly. Take your choice.

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Re: A nice video... [Re: ]
    #939197 - 10/07/02 10:40 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I think some further development of your statement "Unfortunately, freedom has a price." in the context of the problems pointed to in the video would be nice. General vagueness about "the truth" doesn't address anything specific or tangible, which, if we are to solve our problems, must be done eventually. "Unfortunately, freedom has a price." can be taken different ways. I like it. I take it as a fact that we should sacrifice our materialistic lifestyles since I perceive rampant consumption as our downfall.

cheers back at ya'


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Re: A nice video... [Re: frogsheath]
    #939386 - 10/07/02 11:55 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

:wink:

Then perhaps a better question would be; when does freedom not come at the expense of someone's suffering?

Cheers,


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Re: A nice video... [Re: ]
    #939452 - 10/07/02 12:15 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You want the answer?  Fight rampant American consumerism.  :mad:  It's fighting against our own lifestyle --what's to lose?  I say just excess fat.  :smile: 


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Re: A nice video... [Re: frogsheath]
    #939473 - 10/07/02 12:22 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I fight it daily. I do not shop at the Malls. I do not read newspapers or magazines. I haven't had television since 1988. I buy everything thing I can second-hand. I rarely if ever go to movies. I haven't bought a cd in over a year. I eat as much food as possible from my organic garden. It is rare that I buy anything that I do not consider essential to my well being.

Why?

I'm not fighting consumerism I just have no interest in the shallowness of trying to buy peace of mind with things.

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Re: A nice video... [Re: ]
    #939521 - 10/07/02 12:41 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

It sounds like you're doing more than I to "fight" it. I think "fight" is the right word 'cause it's literally shoved down our throats. Good for you (and many others who may learn from your example). I like the listing process. There are literally hundreds and hundreds of items and activities that we can cut out (or down) as we learn to live in a more harmonious and healthy way. I still read newspapers (out of boredom) and I still buy most of my food from the supermarket. This has to end. If we all start living like this (and there's way more detail --it's fun actually)... what a difference it will make on the planet.


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Re: A nice video... [Re: frogsheath]
    #939562 - 10/07/02 12:55 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I agree Frogger.....


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Re: A nice video... [Re: frogsheath]
    #939581 - 10/07/02 01:02 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

I think "fight" is the right word 'cause it's literally shoved down our throats.



I do not understand this sentiment. I see the silliness of the consumer culture, but it is my choice how I respond to it. Usually I just ignore it, sometimes I am entertained by the commercials, occasionally I see something which I find interesting. Nobobdy forces you to buy anything, nobody forces you to watch T.V. The option of turning off your devices of mass communication is very simple to exercise. There is no need to "fight" because you have freedom (in this regard) which you can exercise at will.

I remember quite a few years ago listening to an interview with John Lennon. The interviewer asked him about changing things and political action and he responded that he was basically an anarchist and didn't think that using the government was the proper way to affect social change. He said if you want to change things you should start with yourself. It can be something as simple as when entering a room to smile at everyone and be friendly. Such actions can affect others and lead to positive change coming from them. (that was the general idea, the exact wording was not memorized)


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Re: A nice video... [Re: frogsheath]
    #939582 - 10/07/02 01:02 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

As a friend of mine used to say, "Your produce alone has been worth the trip."


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Re: A nice video... [Re: Evolving]
    #940408 - 10/07/02 05:32 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"Nobobdy forces you to buy anything, nobody forces you to watch T.V. The option of turning off your devices of mass communication is very simple to exercise. There is no need to "fight" because you have freedom (in this regard) which you can exercise at will."
True. Maybe "fight" is not the best word. In terms of affecting social change (and dealing with the symbiotic relationship of the masses and the corporations) I feel like one ant trying to turn a whole colony around. It's a collosus we're up against (this interdependent consumer culture) no? My natural reaction to this challenge is to take up a fighting posture. It's admittedly rather futile though. Kind of like Bush's speech tonight though, the alternative would be to wait for a "right major crisis" to spur the people to action. People in America seem too complacent to really start changing.


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Re: A nice video... [Re: frogsheath]
    #940491 - 10/07/02 06:02 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

People in America seem too complacent to really start changing.



I agree with your opinion but I would qualify the statement by prefacing it with "Most." I have found myself able to change a few minds in my life but it has not been through fighting but through using the power of reason. What I think you desire is a change in culture, this will not come about overnight. Culture could be said to be the aggregate tendencies, values and behaviors of a population. The changes you seek are not those of a fad but of more deeply held attitudes. Think of it as evolution not revolution, it will require patience, education and an understanding that what may seem self-evident to you is not so easy for others to grasp. You may also find that as you pass through this life that the attitudes and beliefs you hold now you may one day consider naive (this is not meant to be an insult, just the lesson of my own experiences).


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.


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Re: A nice video... [Re: Evolving]
    #940536 - 10/07/02 06:15 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Think of it as evolution not revolution

Brilliant. Beautiful statement.


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Re: A nice video... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #940587 - 10/07/02 06:34 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Meme thinks so too.


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Re: A nice video... [Re: ]
    #940613 - 10/07/02 06:44 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

hehehe


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Re: A nice video... [Re: Sclorch]
    #940615 - 10/07/02 06:45 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I actually posted that pun just for you.  I knew you'd get it and like it. :wink:

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Re: A nice video... [Re: Evolving]
    #941385 - 10/08/02 12:23 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You're right Yoda.  Actually I'm not really a fighter (or much of a communicator --but I won't quit anytime soon).  It's just that my reptile brain kicks into action whenever I see the signs of my lovely swamp dryin' up as it were.  It's a survival instinct.  I see this as a fight for our survival (much like in the past when, before the various technological revolutions, we fought for our survival --only this fight is much bigger).  The system is no fad and it's more than deeply held attitudes.  It's a deeply entrenched machine (a lot like HAL9000) which we are all  subservient to.  I was raised and brainwashed by its media monster (into believing the prescribed worldview).  Basically that's what I mean by having the culture of consumption shoved down our throats.  But you're right.  We ARE still free to choose something else (if we have the gonads).  That's what makes America special.  I am finding the road open but extremely less traveled and often difficult.  So I take up the fight (so to speak) with the behemoth and with myself (against the ingrained habits that I was taught).  It's kind of like waking up and realizing you are in the Deathstar of the Empire.  :grin:  O.K.  Maybe not.  There is much good to be said about the system.  Perhaps I would not be having these thoughts if it were evil as that.  I still have a choice.  All of us do.  But the clock is ticking away.  So, my point is passion is as important an ingredient to the rebellion as reason.
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