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OfflineAmber_Glow
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Cycle of Shroomy Happenings...
    #934634 - 10/05/02 03:48 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

When I heard that I was getting shrooms for the first time, I was so excited.  My friend and I had done alot of research on shrooms, reading sites like these and tons of trip reports, and we knew all about the spiritual connections that mushroom trips seemed to have.  We were extremely excited and couldn't wait.

Our first trip was insane - great but not totally enjoyable.  After we woke up the next morning (we had tripped into the night and fallen asleep after we were pretty far down) mushrooms had sprouted up in my yard.  I thought "Wow!  That must be a sign".

It was then that me and my friend started joking about how the mushroom goddess had put them there just to remind us of what she had given us.  Then my friend joked how I should set up an altar to the mushroom goddess - well, I did.  I took one of the caps of the mushrooms that had grown on my lawn, decorated it with markers (yeah, kinda cheap) and surrounded it with candles, and put this stuffed mushroom toy I had in back of it.  From then on, this was my "altar to the mushroom goddess". :smile:

Then I got into the habit of lighting the candles and saying a prayer to Her before and after each trip, and I even had a sense of communicating with her on my last trip.

Well its been about a month or two since my last trip, and no more shrooms were available around here.  Then the other day, I hit a pheasant with my car (big beautiful birds that are pretty rare in my area) and thought "oh I'll have to pay my respects to this bird at the altar..." and when I went home, I lit my candles and said a prayer for the bird.

It was the next day that I received a call - more shrooms were available!

Well to wrap it up - it just seems that the more respect I give to the mushrooms and nature, the more good luck I have with mushrooms.  It seems that the respect I've had for them has, by karma, come back to me.

 


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #934672 - 10/05/02 04:09 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

mushrooms sprouted in a big circle in my yard after the first time i tripped too, haha, i thought the same thing, "its a sign,"  thats some crazy shit :shocked: 


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #934681 - 10/05/02 04:15 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

nice! i have an altar, too... and in fact there are 2 ceramic and one wooden mushroom among the things i keep... i have 6 HUGE white church-candles... my incense and incense burning tools (charcoal, clamps, and so on) the altar is not dedicated to a god or goddess alone... it honors everything... i have buddha statue, and a cross to pay respect to 2 of the greates teachers our planet has had... i have pictures of various animals who's spirit have been with me a long time, and which whom i identify with... and i have a few spiritual tools, such as a dorje, a pendulum, aura-soma bottles... and so on... and under the altar i have a GREAT meditation tool... a didgeridoo... well actually 3 of them...  :grin:
and yes... giving your respect and your love to nature and your surroundings definitely brings good karma... and im glad you are able to communicate to the shroom goddess... what did she tell you?


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: In(di)go]
    #934687 - 10/05/02 04:20 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

wow, i dont do all of that, but tell me, does it really make it that much better for real?


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: CleverName]
    #934693 - 10/05/02 04:23 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

it's not like a magic wand with which i can acomplish everything... but every tool provides aid for certain situations... it's good to have them around... and although i don't need them, they are pretty useful indeed...


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: In(di)go]
    #934741 - 10/05/02 04:41 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

you live in germany?


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: CleverName]
    #935288 - 10/05/02 10:26 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

yup that's right... southern germany  :grin:


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #935423 - 10/05/02 11:35 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Most people that acquire mushrooms do so without trying or needing to connect mysterious dots.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: CleverName]
    #935426 - 10/05/02 11:36 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Do you truly believe that they would not have sprouted without your tripping? Mushrooms sprout all over the world without waiting for a human.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #935581 - 10/06/02 12:47 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Perhaps you refuse to see the synchronicity of such an event, which is what I believe is being conveyed here without the term. Synchronicitiy is a newfangled word of Jungian origin, but the concept has been around for millennia in various cultures. Jung, with the contributing work of Richard Wilhelm (translator of the I Ching) based the concept of synchronicity - 'an acausal connecting principle' - on the workings of the I Ching, but other cultures relegate the same phenomenology to omens or miracles, depending upon the conceptualizer's degree of understanding.

The co-extensive nature of psyche and space-time was to be laid out by Jung and physicist Wolfgang Pauli, but Jung died. The correlation between inner subjective states, and outer objective events in a non-causal Way is all about the mutual interaction of mind and matter. The occurance of mushrooms sprouting, the tripping event, and the awareness that links the two is further enveloped by a higher principle which contains all three aspects. The fact of sprouting mushrooms, the trip, and the awareness of the connections are not isolated, independent events. These types of occasions have been my 'manna from heaven' for decades now. There is every good reason to regard synchronicities with a sense of the 'numinous' - with awe and a sense of the religious. You obviously haven't read 'Sychronicity: An Acausal Connecting Principle' by C.G. Jung, but I Highly recommend it. It might actually help to heal that rift you have between psyche and spirit (insofar as bibliotherapy can help).


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #935618 - 10/06/02 12:55 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

LOL!
Believing in nothing is believing in something. We ALL need SOMETHING to cling too.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: In(di)go]
    #935677 - 10/06/02 01:19 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Lozt Soul, did you enjoy Living Buddha, Living Christ?


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #935686 - 10/06/02 01:25 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Well said Mark...

I find myself saying many a day, including today,
"The universe seeks synchronicity"
Maybe it is our minds that do so, but we percieve the universe through them...



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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: In(di)go]
    #935814 - 10/06/02 02:15 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

She didn't tell me anything, I just felt that I could feel her presence, and I just thanked her for the wonderful trip she was giving me.

I need to get a new candle for my mini-altar, the last ones are burnt down. :frown: 


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #935912 - 10/06/02 03:37 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Shroomy synchronicity eh? Well, when I was just starting to get interested in trying mushrooms, a friend of a friend came down for a visit with a rather large bag of them, and offered to share before I'd even mentioned that I was interested.  I instantly felt very comfortable and trusting around him and the pieces seemed to fall together for my ineveitable experience.

Before this time  I also saw a small mushroom growing in my backyard, that a friend ripped out of the ground and threw away :mad: I doubt it was a psilocybe but the symbolism still manages to anger me, the thoughtless destruction of a being that has every right to live in the atmosphere it worked to grow in simply because "its better if its not here, it could be poisonous, the dog might eat it." If's and maybe's have done far to much damage to this planet already.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #935914 - 10/06/02 03:40 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You could take a million random events that happened at the same moment and try to link them. Does this mean that their synchronicity is related? One time when I was tripping I saw a falling star........are they related? Come on now. People can see what they want and make any two unrelated events seem to be related.

I just heard a loud crash outside as I am writing this reply to you....there is obviously some portentous significance in that. Better watch out Markos you are dooooooommmmmed. :blush:

P.S. thanks for the recommendation on the book. I will probably take you up on it. 


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: chemkid]
    #935935 - 10/06/02 03:55 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Well, not all is necessarily connected but there are many things that happen that are beyond coincidence, actually i don't believe in coincidence. Things happen simultaneously that don't necessarily have anything to do with each other, but some things are just to wierd to not have anything to do with each other.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: chemkid]
    #935940 - 10/06/02 04:00 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

True, any 2 events can be made to seem as if they are related, but you still can't prove that they aren't related  :grin:  All depends on your point of view i suppose.  If ya think it's cool to see a mushroom growin before a trip what's the harm in keeping that fact in mind if it'll make your trip more enjoyable/meaningful?  :laugh: 


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Llamanose]
    #935987 - 10/06/02 04:55 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

No harm in superstition? Sorry, but there are thousands of examples to counter that. As I have explained previously, I knew one of the people that committed suicide at Rancho San Marguerita that believed the arrival of a comet hid a Mothership behind it and was a sign to go join it.

A brain was designed to ACTUALLY be used. Seeing causality where there is none is either indicative of ignorance or mental illness.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #935991 - 10/06/02 04:57 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Perhaps you refuse to see the synchronicity of such an event,

Perhaps you refuse to see a pattern-recognition engine (the human brain) straining to find a pattern where there is none.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #935993 - 10/06/02 04:59 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You know what this means..... MORE SACRIFICES!!


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #935996 - 10/06/02 05:02 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

As I have explained previously, I knew one of the people that committed suicide at Rancho San Marguerita that believed the arrival of a comet hid a Mothership behind it and was a sign to go join it.

Yeah but who's to say they didn't join the mothership hidden behind the comet? Do you have proof they didn't?

:tongue: Just kidding... but taking into account most beliefs, (at least the one's I'm aware of) don't revolve around killing yourself to join the mothership. That's just very distorted  cult thinking.

Perhaps you refuse to see a pattern-recognition engine (the human brain) straining to find a pattern where there is none.

Yeah.. 


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Shroomism]
    #936002 - 10/06/02 05:10 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

... but taking into account most beliefs, (at least the one's I'm aware of) don't revolve around killing yourself to join the mothership.

Lack of reason is dangerous whether it is in the Bush Administration shouting for war, UFO cults, or on seemingly innocuous levels. We look back 700 years and call that period the Dark Ages. I look at the inability to clearly reason today and see that we are still firmly entrenched in the Dark Ages.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #936004 - 10/06/02 05:12 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

My reason is based upon love and understanding of all things, a love for life, and striving to help others. What exactly is dangerous?


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Shroomism]
    #936009 - 10/06/02 05:20 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Someone believing that tripping caused mushrooms to sprout in their yard (even though they would have sprouted anyway) is an indication of superstition and lack of reasoning ability which could be applied many ways.

Racism, sexism, war, murder, spread of disease, Witch hunts, McCarthyism, etc. are only allowed to happen through ignorance. ALL FORMS OF IGNORANCE ARE DANGEROUS. How can one make a clear decision based on erroneous connections seen as facts?


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #936022 - 10/06/02 05:51 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah ignorance is bad I agree. But ignorance eventually leads to enlightenment the easy way or the hard way. Example off of top of head: Pavlov's Dogs. We all learn from our mistakes...if not sooner then later.

I can't even remember what we're talking about anymore... let's wage war on belief.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #936071 - 10/06/02 07:49 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

who ever said that suicide was bad, do you know what happens when someone dies, i think not.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #936109 - 10/06/02 09:39 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Someone believing that tripping caused mushrooms to sprout in their yard (even though they would have sprouted anyway)


i would like to correcto you here... it should say even though they could have sprouted anyways... you cannot prove that the mushrooms wouldn't have sprouted if he hadn't tripped...

and chubbsubb: i haven't read the book yet... still hung up on lord of the rings hehehe... as soon as i have time ill start... maybe i should take it with me on vacation... anyways, i'll let you know as soon as i read it...  :grin:


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #936183 - 10/06/02 11:31 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I feel like a better person now.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: In(di)go]
    #936198 - 10/06/02 11:50 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

you cannot prove that the mushrooms wouldn't have sprouted if he hadn't tripped...

What a clever observation. Thank you for demonstrating my point about ignorance. Mushrooms have sprouted unaided by human thoughts for many millions of years before Home Sapiens arrived.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #936206 - 10/06/02 11:57 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

who ever said that suicide was bad

What a deep and penetrating question! Hmm, let's see:

A. The Bible
B. Society-at-large
C. The families and friends of the suicide victim
D. Attempted suicides who survived

Is violence bad? Is failing to share one's unique gifts bad? Is deeply hurting loved ones bad? I would have to answer in the affirmative.



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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #936210 - 10/06/02 11:59 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

My wife and I started discussing about buying a new car, a Ford Expedition. It's really wierd, but we see them EVERYWHERE on the road now, as if the car gods and ol' Saint Henry Ford are giving us a sign...


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #936212 - 10/06/02 12:01 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Mushrooms have sprouted unaided by human thoughts for many millions of years before Home Sapiens arrived.

Prove it. :tongue: 


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #936360 - 10/06/02 01:29 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"I can't even remember what we're talking about anymore... let's wage war on belief."
If there's a war I consider this board and the threads therein to be the front lines  :wink:

Swami sees superstition and lack of reasoning in Amber Glow's observation.  We all have opinions.  To me his post is what tripping is all about.  Seeing these synchronicities and noticing them for what they are.  The only meaning they hold is any meaning he wants to assign to it, that's the gift we've given ourselves in the form of so-called "synchronicity".  Would he have even noticed that the mushrooms sprouted if he wasn't going to trip?  Probably not, but the fact that he did trip gave him a reason to experience a bit of  wonder... "ignorant" as it may be. Isn't it a good thing in the end? 


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #936382 - 10/06/02 01:45 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Oh yes! Ignorance and superstition are wonderful things. Knowledge and understanding are useless.

What in the hell was Pasteur thinking when he tried to discover a cause behind disease instead of looking around to find some unrelated event to blame it on?

A comet obviously protends bad luck and has nothing to do with astronomy and the formation of planets.

Finding a four-leaf clover is much better at bringing luck than focus and determination.



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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #936387 - 10/06/02 01:48 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Saying someone is ignorant or superstitous because they believe in the concept of synchronicity is a little unfair to say it lightly. Was Carl Jung psycho?

My personal believe is that all is One (i'm sure we've all had this insight from mushrooms or otherwise) We are one, living as individual beings for the sake of gaining insight and subjective experience, that we may grow. If all is One would it not make sense that we are all interconnected and that ideas and thoughts *can* influence happenings?

Yeah, those mushrooms likely would have sprouted up in the yard even if the person in question didn't trip, but the fact that they did, when they did, is pretty cool. Why is it so wrong to take this as a symbol?

Many things have happened to me that I've taken as symbols, warnings, etc. Animals and plants that cross our paths often hold messages we may interpret. I've been warned about dangerous situations by ravens and snakes. Maybe that snake would have been there even if the rock wasn't going to fall, maybe it would have crawled away even if the rock wasn't coming, and maybe I would have gotten the distinct impression that I should leave, that I would be injured anyways. Maybe it was paranoia fed by archetype. Or maybe the snake was there and had a message that I ignored, which is why the Earth warned me to listen by injuring my hand and taking my blood. I chose to believe the latter.

This earth is full of messages, not necessarily just for us, but for all life. We are here for each other, we are here to improve the subjective experience and promote the learning of other beings, so is it so superstitious to believe that maybe listening to messages is a good idea? Sitting my the waterfall, the snake gave me the impression that danger was imminent. I cast it off as superstition based on myth. I got injured.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #936390 - 10/06/02 01:52 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think Amber Glow was ignorant or wrong at all...that wasn't the point of my post. Swami brought up ignorance, I was replying to his post.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #936400 - 10/06/02 01:59 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, exaggeration proves your point.
Knowledge has served us very well compared to superstition, I don't deny that. But the fact is it's a large part of many peoples lives. I wouldn't consider myself superstitious. I just like to entertain an array of different ideas in hopes of finding correlations and and recurring patterns which I can use as a basis for interperting my reality.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #936409 - 10/06/02 02:08 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

no shit, it was just cool i thought


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    #936410 - 10/06/02 02:08 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I wasn't responding directly to you, sorry, I just clicked reply under your name coz it was closest to the bottom.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #936417 - 10/06/02 02:14 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Swami,

Do you not recognize your own ignorance? You are standing here stating that an awful lot of people are full of shit because science has told you that coincidence is just coincidence. Believing wholeheartedly in anything *can* lead people to persecute others based on the idea that since they're right everyone else must be wrong.

Science is fallible, its also just a string of explanations for something we can't necessarily understand in this human form. It's ignorant of you to say that we are all so wrong about synchronicity because really, what are you basing your arguments on? Ideas.

Don't get me wrong either, I think science is great, but I also believe you cant *prove* anything, so why even bother to call someone ignorant, as long as they are accepting of others views?


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #936427 - 10/06/02 02:20 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, those mushrooms likely would have sprouted up in the yard even if the person in question didn't trip...
Most likely? 51% chance, 75% chance? How about 100% chance whether he tripped or not?

I've been warned about dangerous situations by ravens and snakes.
There is no inherent message in a snake or a raven. Does each of the trillion life forms on this planet carry a message to you? Why just a snake? What about an ant? A leaf? An amoeba?

...be that snake would have been there even if the rock wasn't going to fall...
There is no maybe about it. The snake's life does not revolve around you. How ego-centric can one get?

maybe it was paranoia...
Now you are getting close to the truth.

Once near the Colorado River, I stopped directly over a rattlesnake hidden in the rocks a few inches below my bare foot. As soon as I saw it I gingerly stepped away. Seeing it was an impending sign of danger which I heeded.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #936437 - 10/06/02 02:22 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i agree with you swam, it was just cool that it happened to both of us, so i pointed it out. dont worry, im not trying to infringe upon your beliefs...


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #936441 - 10/06/02 02:24 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The snakes life quite obviously doesn't revolve around me, I have very little ego. It just happened to be there at the right time, it just happens to carry the correct age-old archetypal symbolism... it just happened to give me the impression that I was in danger- when I was. Hmm... The snake was living its own life, doing its own thing, but it was there and I should have listened to it. It didn't necessarily chose to be there for me, but the universe works in mysterious ways, my friend.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #936510 - 10/06/02 02:58 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You are standing here stating that an awful lot of people are full of shit because science has told you that coincidence is just coincidence.
Science says next to nothing about coincidence as that is mere interpretation. An awful lot of people subscribe to the War on Drugs, yet I still loudly proclaim that they are acting out of ignorance. The Argument of Large Numbers is a logical fallacy.

Believing wholeheartedly in anything *can* lead people to persecute others based on the idea that since they're right everyone else must be wrong.
Sometimes one can be right and everyone else wrong; Copernicus for example.

Science is fallible, its also just a string of explanations for something we can't necessarily understand...
And operating outside of reason is not even more susceptible to fallibility?

...why even bother to call someone ignorant...
Most of us come here to try to better understand the world on many levels.Whether or not we understand gravity, it works for everyone. But in discussing synchonicity, there are no rules, no univerality, no evidence that it is anything other than one person's imagination.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #936706 - 10/06/02 04:46 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

It's cool that mushrooms sprouted in my yard the day after a trip. I think it's fun to see the symbolism in it.

Swami, I think you're just trying to rain on our parade with your absolute disgust of anything that isn't completely scientific. Lighten up. :P


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #936915 - 10/06/02 05:58 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

What a clever observation. Thank you for demonstrating my point about ignorance. Mushrooms have sprouted unaided by human thoughts for many millions of years before Home Sapiens arrived


who knows... can you prove to me that mushrooms grow where no humans live? that if there were absolutely no humans on this planet, there'd still be mushies? no, you can't... cuz when there are no humans around, there's nobody to look if mushies are growing, or not... really must be a bummer... so until then it's our word against yours...


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    #936936 - 10/06/02 06:07 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

hahahahah i just noted what you posted, mr_mushrooms...  i hadn't seen it until after i posted my comments... :grin: GMTA, once again! this is getting creepy! hehehe...  :cool:


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #937010 - 10/06/02 06:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I was going to address some of your comments but I couldn't find any shoes to match.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #937445 - 10/06/02 09:24 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I think it's fun to see the symbolism in it.

It may well be fun, but there is no causal link. Is superstition more fun than fact? Many think so. I would rather understand what is actually occuring than invent a story.


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    #937456 - 10/06/02 09:27 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

cuz when there are no humans around, there's nobody to look if mushies are growing, or not... really must be a bummer... so until then it's our word against yours...

Our word?

Fossil records of mushrooms have been dated before the first appearance of Homo Sapiens. Education is a powerful tool - use it.



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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #937475 - 10/06/02 09:31 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

What is fact?


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    #937507 - 10/06/02 09:43 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

This or "Prove it!" frequently seems the final weak "argument" of those with little to base their stance on.


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    #937519 - 10/06/02 09:45 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

prove it! :grin: 


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    #937829 - 10/06/02 11:24 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Listen to the snake, but don't fall asleep to it's sweet voice....  :crazy: 


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #937832 - 10/06/02 11:26 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The snake's life does not revolve around you. How ego-centric can one get?

True, but all things do revolve around each other.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #938487 - 10/07/02 10:36 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

did you know that the c-14 analisys mostly used to find out the date of a fossil is often wrong... you don't know if there were humans here BEFORE that mushrooms... you cannot prove anything... but neither can i...

In reply to:

This or "Prove it!" frequently seems the final weak "argument" of those with little to base their stance on


oh voila! i agree with you 100% ... and now may i ask you how many times have you used the sentence "prove it!" as a final argument? A LOT


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    #938515 - 10/07/02 05:59 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

He'll get it sooner or later.


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    #938620 - 10/07/02 07:07 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Apprently you and Lozt cannot see the difference. A poster says, "I can roll marbles with my mind." and I say "Prove it."

I quote commonly accepted science fact such as "The world is round," and you say "Prove it."

A new claim certainly requires more proof than paradigms that have previously been shown to have validity.

Or even more fallacious is the demand to prove a negative which is an impossibility. The believers love this either because of ignorance or knowing that there can be no real response, so invoke this illogic when they have NOTHING ELSE to offer to substantiate a claim.


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Re: Cycle of Shroomy Happenings... [Re: Swami]
    #938635 - 10/07/02 07:15 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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    #938636 - 10/07/02 07:16 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, all revolves around everything because- this universe is One, we are One, that snake is a part of me, I am a part of him, I am a part of this desk and a part of my beautiful cedar tree outside. We are all connected, we are all here for the support and growth of each other. We live these lives by choice to gain subjective experience, existance and conciousness is *based* completely on experience. Therefore- nothing is here to give messages just to *me* its here living its life, gaining its experience but something may be drawn to a place where it needs to be at the right time....

Further on in my story of the snake- when i got back to the campsite there just happened to be a really nice guy there with industrial first aid that offered to check out my injury and fix it up. Interesting coincidence if you ask me. This whole situation was a string of many intuitions and too many coincidences. This causes me to believe that all exists to support and help each other, and that people feel drawn to places and situations where they will be needed. You gotta follow through on the synchronicity! Trust it, let intuition guide you and all will fall into place.


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    #938693 - 10/07/02 07:45 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

There is no indication that any significant number of people have intuited danger before famous public tragedies from the Hinderburg to the Titantic to the WTC twin towers, but then again - you are special.


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    #939310 - 10/07/02 11:29 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe most people aren't listening.  :shocked: 


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    #939543 - 10/07/02 12:47 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Please see the thread on moving targets.


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