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What if you discovered a cure for Acne?
    #9342682 - 12/01/08 08:52 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

But you're a 20 year old poor community college student with little to no resources.Obviously the market for a cure would be humongous. The question is, how do you market such a thing?

What would you do? Write an e-book?

Obviously the first step is to get a patent/copyright on any literature that you establish for such a thing. But after that, what then?


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: cube talk]
    #9342689 - 12/01/08 08:57 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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But you're a 20 year old poor community college student with little to no resources.Obviously the market for a cure would be humongous. The question is, how do you market such a thing?

What would you do? Write an e-book?

Obviously the first step is to get a patent/copyright on any literature that you establish for such a thing. But after that, what then?




find investors... produce a small batch of the stuff and go to a couple of companies making demonstrations... or get a loan from the bank and produce/market the stuff yourself...


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: cube talk]
    #9342694 - 12/01/08 08:59 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

First up make sure your product actually works.. Secondly don't tell anyone the semantics of how it works, and thirdly, if you're 100% sure it works patent that shit and you'll never have to work again.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: In(di)go]
    #9342697 - 12/01/08 09:01 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

it's a process, a method, not an actual chemical...

That's the beautiful thing about it. You do it right at home without ever having to go buy anything.

Thus you would come up with a way to demonstrate how and why it works and then market it.

Market is a very simple way of putting it though and i'd be weary of taking it to some big companies. All the products out there only work temporarily and the customer must buy more of it if they want the results to continue.

This thing is going to run a lot of people out of business.

I've got a control group setup already and the results for one person have been beyond perfect. Since he started it 3 weeks ago, he has not had one single break-out and even the scars that he used to have are beginning to dissappear.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: cube talk]
    #9342710 - 12/01/08 09:05 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

fuck, man... that sounds awesome!

if it's not an actual product, then you might want to talk to a publisher to see if you can get a book on the market...


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: In(di)go]
    #9342722 - 12/01/08 09:08 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Well not to break your balls OP but there are already natural remedies for acne and the likelyhood of your success is very slim. Use your imagination and figure out something new.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: In(di)go]
    #9342725 - 12/01/08 09:10 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Publisher, yes.. good idea, i'm going to send some emails out to some publishers online and see what kind of response I can get.

All this has to do is hit the market, and it will spread like wildfire.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: cube talk]
    #9342741 - 12/01/08 09:14 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Acne covers/is confused by quite a few separate skin complaints?

What particular form of acne are your referring too?

Also 3 Weeks is not long enough a test to discount the placebo effect.

I certainly wouldn't go for e-book alone.  You need to make a real guide and get on as many radio/TV shows as you can.  Just ring hundreds of them up telling them you have a cure for acne, you have the people who were independently tested to testify for its proof and then plug your book.

Once demands there goto a publishers etc and get it all produced then go around creating more demand (TV, seminars, radio).

Anyone can steal your idea BTW.  You have to copyright your book etc but they can still take your idea and repackage it.  Thats just the way of the business world.  If they are very blatant about the intellectual theft you may want to sue but if its some huge corporation with big lawyers behind them - you'd better be prepared to understand what your up against.

If I were you, I'd get the method endorsed by a Doctor (offer them 10% cut or whatever) then copyright the book then get it marketed and sold fast as possible before the idea is plagiarized dries up.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: jvm]
    #9342744 - 12/01/08 09:14 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Well not to break your balls OP but there are already natural remedies for acne and the likelyhood of your success is very slim. Use your imagination and figure out something new.




Yeh and over a span of 6 years I have tried and seen them all fail. They may work for a little while but the failure was always inevitable. That includes chemicals.

I myself simply stumbled upon the idea one day by mere luck. Just one can of coke would have me breaking out all over my body for days. I was horrible. That shit put me in depression for a long ass time because I felt that I just wasn't going to find a solution and that I was either going to grow out of it, or just deal with not ever being able to take my shirt off. All those times where I couldn't go to the beach or go swimming with friends.

Within 2 weeks of the initial usage, the acne has cleared for nearly 2 months and I don't see any way possible for it to come back.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9342756 - 12/01/08 09:18 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Acne covers/is confused by quite a few separate skin complaints?

What particular form of acne are your referring too?

Also 3 Weeks is not long enough a test to discount the placebo effect.

I certainly wouldn't go for e-book alone.  You need to make a real guide and get on as many radio/TV shows as you can.  Just ring hundreds of them up telling them you have a cure for acne, you have the people who were independently tested to testify for its proof and then plug your book.

Once demands there goto a publishers etc and get it all produced then go around creating more demand (TV, seminars, radio).




I myself suffer from it pretty harshly. My skin reacts to sugar violently. Like I said, one can of coke would put me through hell. Ice cream pffff... i wouldn't touch the stuff before.

I have, or use to have, the type of skin that gets very oily. The kind that where you eat a donut or drink some sweet tea and not even 30 minutes after, i start feeling that oil start covering my face and body. In hot weather outside you can literally just feel the acne forming.

I'm well aware that I need to get it all down on literature and i'm starting that part today. I'm here to listen to other minds who have been through more of life then I have.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: cube talk]
    #9342770 - 12/01/08 09:23 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I'm telling you exactly how to get the most $$ out of this idea from a business point of view.  I used to run a business and I understand a lot about it.  Re-read my post I edited some of it.

If I was your manager I'd have the big money rolling in.  I know exactly how its done.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9342805 - 12/01/08 09:32 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Eat a diet of raw fruits and veggies and acne will be no problem, gluten has also been fingered as a culprit.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: Cannashroom]
    #9342831 - 12/01/08 09:37 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Eat a diet of raw fruits and veggies and acne will be no problem, gluten has also been fingered as a culprit.




sebum is the oil that gets secreted to your skin which causes the whole issue. If you have an issue where the gland is over producing it ( which is my problem as well as many millions of others ) then fruits veggies aren't going to do a whole lot.

It will help your system run cleaner, but it's not addressing the real issue.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: Cannashroom]
    #9342837 - 12/01/08 09:38 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Many doctors claim diet has no significant effect.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9342888 - 12/01/08 09:47 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Many doctors claim diet has no significant effect.




They're wrong.

Many people claim this and that. Fact is, different people react differently to different substances. For most of the people out there, it is a mix of the same 3 things which causes it to be the issue that it is.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: cube talk]
    #9342959 - 12/01/08 10:05 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

:grin:I know they are wrong.  Doctors claim all sorts.  This is a fact you will work to your advantage.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9342995 - 12/01/08 10:13 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Patent it, release it to the world for free, and then sue the shit out of anyone who infringes on your copyright.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9343021 - 12/01/08 10:18 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Like ego death has already explained to me via pm though. That's not going to work vs some powerful corporation with an army of lawyers.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: cube talk]
    #9343025 - 12/01/08 10:19 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I believe in free access to information, but its just a personal policy, not anything I would demand of others. :shrug:


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9343049 - 12/01/08 10:25 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Unfortunately, capitalism doesn't work very well like that.

Too bad the world doesn't think like that though, sure would be nice.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: cube talk]
    #9343073 - 12/01/08 10:29 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

have you tried looking and seeing if anyone else has your idea?

Other wise i'd guess going to a venture capitalist would be your best bet, or an angel investor.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: cube talk]
    #9343083 - 12/01/08 10:30 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

It works just fine for me. As I said, I dont demand it of others.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9343125 - 12/01/08 10:38 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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It works just fine for me. As I said, I dont demand it of others.





Believe me man, i'd love to just tell everyone all about it. But I need some money badly right now and in the near future to pay for my tuition not to mention some other things.

By no means whatsoever do I need to become a millionaire out of this ( although it wouldn't surprise me if it happened). It makes my heart warm to know that this is going to run quite a few companies out of business that from first hand experience I can tell are just trying to make money out of people, not help them.

Eventually, this is going to become common knowledge anyway. As the word gets out it's bound to happen. So i'm effectively running myself out of business, but much more happily, i'm running corrupted corporate tycoons out of business.

Especially those people that use actors on commercials to endorse their products ( i forget the name of the corporation ).

EDIT - proactiv... that's the name. I'm so sick of seeing that sh*t...


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: cube talk]
    #9343163 - 12/01/08 10:45 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Probably the fastest and most efficient way to make money is design a website and charge for access.

I think the underlying problem is that you aren't really patenting something unique, but rather a method.  I think you are looking at copyrighting, not patenting.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: badchad]
    #9343172 - 12/01/08 10:47 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Probably the fastest and most efficient way to make money is design a website and charge for access.

I think the underlying problem is that you aren't really patenting something unique, but rather a method.  I think you are looking at copyrighting, not patenting.




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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: badchad]
    #9343326 - 12/01/08 11:18 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yes a patent is a design of something new usually an invention.

I don't know exactly what cube talk has here but I'm pretty certain it would have to be copyrighted not patented.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9343384 - 12/01/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

the cure for acne is a natural diet and low-stress


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #9343436 - 12/01/08 11:40 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Theres a certain hormone that causes spots that you grow out of eventually although not everyone does.

Theres also many other causes such as not drinking enough water.  Then theres the fact that people squeeze them to stop them hurting and they then spread.  Just touching your face a lot can spread them.  Under washing and equally over-washing make them worse!

Theres certainly no ointment miracle cure.  In fact most of those so called "cures" make them worse.

Thats my first hand opinion from when I had spots as a teenager.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9343475 - 12/01/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Theres also many other causes such as not drinking enough water.




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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: Atheist]
    #9343533 - 12/01/08 11:54 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

How do you know your method works for everyone? Obviously many people have different dermatological needs. If its a simple method that anyone can do from their own home how do you even begin getting an edge on the market? Can you stretch it into a book?. It seems like you've just found something that works for you and want to try and make a quick buck out of it.

The acne medication market is prime time for snake oil medicines as well so there is already fierce competition according to my infomercial knowledge.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: Irdamage]
    #9343689 - 12/01/08 12:20 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

People make millions out of diet pills that actually do nothing.

People don't buy products people buy ideas.  They buy the belief of what they think a product will do.  Its sad but true. 

Many people buy books like "How to start a business", "How to travel the world".  Deep down they have no intention of actually doing it but consciously it temporarily for fills their dream.

I can sell a placebo and half my "patients" will be cured by it.

If you think about it a huge percentage of the retail market is based on nothing but belief.  Look how many people buy creams to cure them with no scientific evidence they work.  People buy perfumes because theirs an advert saying it makes you attractive.  :smirk:  Paracetamol? Bottled water anyone?


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9344330 - 12/01/08 02:07 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

What ego death said...

This thing doesn't even have to work, but if marketed correctly, could become a billion dollar business.

Look at proactiv and how they market it. They use stars like P diddy and jessica simpson to endorse their product. All the fans of those people will end up at least trying the product just because.

Proactiv in my opinion is just a load of bs. The way they put it on the market is what makes them tremendously successful.

And I know it will work with a good damn portion of the market if not all of it.

The real issue is the fact that it will become common knowledge after a while. But like I said, i'm not here to become one of those "rich get richer and poor get poorer" people. I personally would love to run proactiv and clean and clear out of business if it means a lot of this world will not have to deal with this filthy shit. God knows it kept me from doing a lot of things when I was younger that I wanted to do.

The trickiest part is how to make this book. The process itself is so simple, yet ideally I would like to stretch it out at least 100 pages if not more to make it seem like people need the book and all the details in it.

That's the hard part. How do I do that?

I think that maybe it's time to take a trip.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9344401 - 12/01/08 02:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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People make millions out of diet pills that actually do nothing.

People don't buy products people buy ideas.  They buy the belief of what they think a product will do.  Its sad but true. 

Many people buy books like "How to start a business", "How to travel the world".  Deep down they have no intention of actually doing it but consciously it temporarily for fills their dream.

I can sell a placebo and half my "patients" will be cured by it.

If you think about it a huge percentage of the retail market is based on nothing but belief.  Look how many people buy creams to cure them with no scientific evidence they work.  People buy perfumes because theirs an advert saying it makes you attractive.  :smirk:  Paracetamol? Bottled water anyone?




vitamin water anyone? :rolleyes::werd:


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: cube talk]
    #9344451 - 12/01/08 02:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Ahhhh the art of stretching :grin:

Look at how some existing books have done it.  Someone on the shroomery recommended a guide to getting wealthy - its in the money matters section somewhere.  Its a book.  I read the whole thing but I can tell you in a sentence what the whole book is saying "Stay positive, believe in yourself".

The book has broken it down into 10 or so major points and stretched these out with loads of examples and in-depth explanations but never actually deviates from the same point.  Its was amusing to read but other people claimed to find it highly inspiring.  :crazy:  The book was completely correct in its philosophy but its designed to sell to people who will probably never follow its philosophy.  If you understand and follow the philosophy then you are out there making money from things such as books like this not sitting there enlightened by the thought for a few days.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9344530 - 12/01/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

ahh yes, perfect i mean perfect example.

I've read so many of those books.

Especially "the secret". I mean, i'm not saying that it's not true, but in order for that to work, i think you'd need more faith then Jesus had.... and that's saying something.

That and so many other books using the idea of the "power of thought" to just make yourself rich and get you believing it.

I think one method of doing it is to explain the process not in a step by step method in one chapter, but rather to string it out over many chapters with facts and storys in between without actually telling the viewer how stupid simple what he or she is really doing.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: cube talk]
    #9344533 - 12/01/08 02:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck, PM me your cure. I'm 18 and stuck with some shitty acne still :frown:

Not nearly as much as I used to, but like 3 blemishes at a time. Enough to piss me off.

I'll be your test dummy! Hahaha.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: RasJeph]
    #9344695 - 12/01/08 02:58 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

What really sucks the most, is that I can't simply tell you guys how to do this shit since i'm trying to make a living off of it now.

Like a guy in a pm told me, if I get this copyrighted and out on the market, i'll never have to work a day in my life.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: cube talk]
    #9344734 - 12/01/08 03:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Haha, yeah I know. I was just kidding anyway for the most part.

Good luck to you man!


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: RasJeph]
    #9344811 - 12/01/08 03:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Buy my book of secrets and my magic pill to be cured.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9344824 - 12/01/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

My pill/book also cures erectile dysfunction and weight loss.


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9345040 - 12/01/08 03:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

You told me it only cured AIDS!


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: Ego Death]
    #9346563 - 12/01/08 07:20 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

When you do come out with it i'll pay you for it..i need to do something for mine..even dermotologist said that there is nothing else they can do really..and it hurts to even wear a shirt most of the time :frown: and it's only gotten worse, not better since i was a teenager..my skin is permanately ruined from scars, but at least maybe i can get it to stop being so painful..


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: SorrowSolace]
    #9347396 - 12/01/08 09:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

:hug:


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: cube talk]
    #11801280 - 01/10/10 11:16 AM (14 years, 20 days ago)

Quote:

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But you're a 20 year old poor community college student with little to no resources.Obviously the market for a cure would be humongous. The question is, how do you market such a thing?

What would you do? Write an e-book?

Obviously the first step is to get a patent/copyright on any literature that you establish for such a thing. But after that, what then?




TO THE OP. I have an idea...its harsh sounding but the truth indeed. Quit pussy farting around, quit having pipedreams of money, quit fueling the capitalism going on and just share the information you claim to have that could help millions...I think the payment that you will get just by sharing what works will be more rewarding than "cashing in", i  just sayin


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Re: What if you discovered a cure for Acne? [Re: Stranga]
    #11801323 - 01/10/10 11:25 AM (14 years, 20 days ago)

Nice necropost. :tongue2:

Besides, I think the op was just trying to get the shroomery to do his homework.


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