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Do i absolutely have to soak WBS?
    #9339366 - 11/30/08 06:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Im going to do some WBS and i need to get it done tonight. or else ill have to wait a week. do i absolutyely have to soak WBS for the 24 hours? or can i load into a pc with some water in the jars and go from there? can ne1 help me?

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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: Demonic_Chronic]
    #9339428 - 11/30/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Well the going consensus is that you gotta soak it to germinate the endospores, which you can kill easier in the PC - but I've heard someone [a sponsor/vendor here] say that it's not totally necessary.  The process is described here:

http://www.fungifun.org/English/Grain-For-Simple-Minds

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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: Demonic_Chronic]
    #9339435 - 11/30/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The purpose is to allow endorspores to germinate so they can be killed when pressure cooked.  You might be able to get away with it but your chances of contams are gonna be higher.

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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: J3illy]
    #9339440 - 11/30/08 06:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I rinse mine for 15 minutes, simmer for 30, drain + rinse for 15, drain again for half an hour to an hour, and PC.

I'd add some (field capacity) verm in too, though.

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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: J3illy]
    #9339444 - 11/30/08 06:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Soaking not only helps bacterial endospores germinate so they can be killed during pressure cooking, you also need your grains hydrated.

Why cant you wait an extra day?


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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9339447 - 11/30/08 06:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Soak them it will pay off in the long run

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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: Damion5050]
    #9339468 - 11/30/08 06:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

any grain that i just measured out into a jar, added water, and pc'd, was a failure everytime. the wait would be worth it.

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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: Demonic_Chronic]
    #9339487 - 11/30/08 07:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Do some searching and you'll find numerous people who only simmer and don't soak.  It works just fine but you need to watch the grains very closely when you do your simmering.  I just find it's easier to soak but when time is an issue then yeah you can get away with just simmering.


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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: musher_420]
    #9339504 - 11/30/08 07:04 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i guess ill have to find time to soak and simmer. well i work ALOT so i barely have time to do my Pf tek which btw came home from my thanksgiving weekend and harvested 60g from 2 cakes. was very pleased.

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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: Demonic_Chronic]
    #9342593 - 12/01/08 08:20 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

SOAK, but only soak.  seriously, you dont need to even simmer WBS.  simmering is a pain in the ass. 

just put all the WBS you need in a cooler, then boil a bunch of water and pour it in the cooler, enough to cover the grain, plus a few inches.  then wrap the cooler in a blanket and let it sit over night.  if its cold, add another pot of boiling water before bed.


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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: Omnicracker]
    #9352628 - 12/02/08 05:40 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I simmer for 15 min then do a 12 hr soak in the hot water. At 12 hrs I thoroughly rinse and drain the seed till it doesn't drip and put approx 3 cups/qt jar mixed with 2 heaping tbsp of moist verm/brf. you can do away with the brf, it's just extra nutes and I had a bunch laying around collecting dust so i used it. Shake the piss out of the jar to mix it all up, use tyvek and an aluminum foil cover and PC for 60 min @ 15 psi. Perfecto. :thumbup:

This has been my experience anyway. I tried a soak with no simmer and found that the seed dried up and caused my jars to stall. Simmering the WBS softens it so that it can absorb more moisture. Simmer first then soak and make sure you strain it THOROUGHLY. Add some moistend verm (about 2 tbsp per jar). This helps retain moisture OR absorb any excess so there is no pooling of water at the bottom or sides of the jar. I've had 100% success and NO contams. Good luck! :mushroom2:

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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: Orion12]
    #9353679 - 12/02/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I like to rinse the grains really really well before soaking them. Also if you want to pick any stuff out the mix, like sometimes my brdseed has small sticks in it (wtf?) then pick the stuff out while the grain is still dry or its a pain in the ass.  Anyways its always a good idea and takes about 5 minutes to just rinse the grain real well, to get dirt and dust off it. Then to test the cleanliness of the dry grain dump some into a jar, pour water in the jar so it goes a few inches above the grain level, shut jar and shake vigorously. If the water in the jar gets brown looking or dirty looking then rinse and strain it more until the water is pretty much clear. There might still be some chunks of grain hulls or something that always seem to stay in it, and never get rinsed away, but getting rid of the dirt is a good step to staying sterile.

After its rinsed soak it for 24 hours.  After the soak is done, i take a big ass pot of water, or just the pc itself and start boiling the water at a rolling boil.  Not a little simmer, but full on boil.    Dump the grain into the boiling water, stir it once or twice, and after 2 minutes dump the whole pot out into the strainer. If you boil the water like that then it strains and drys the grain a lot better as opposed to just straining directly after the soak.    Just be carefull and dont let it boil long enough to burst any grains.

You know its done straining when no water drips, and you can reach deep into the strainer pull a handfull of grain out, and the grain slides off your hand without sticking whatsoever.    Anything that sticks past proper straining is likely busted grains anyways so just toss it.

edit- also boiling the grain for a min or 3 acts as a timer when you strain it.  If you can't pick up a handfull of grain from bottom of strainer without burning hand then it aint done yet.  Wait at least 20 min for safety sake.


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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: Stimpy913]
    #9353868 - 12/02/08 08:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I think foo was talking about this earlier today in another post.

He posted a link to his whole tek, but he doesn't do the whole soak thing, just brings a pot of water to a rolling boil, throw the wbs in , covers, and takes it off the heat, letting it steep for an hour.

Seems like it's worked for him and I plan on trying it out next time I prep jars...

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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: fluffyshapes]
    #9353973 - 12/02/08 08:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I think foo was talking about this earlier today in another post.

He posted a link to his whole tek, but he doesn't do the whole soak thing, just brings a pot of water to a rolling boil, throw the wbs in , covers, and takes it off the heat, letting it steep for an hour.

Seems like it's worked for him and I plan on trying it out next time I prep jars...




I tried that. Wound up getting trich on the bag, whereas my other bags with soak + drain worked fine, if a little wet. Not discrediting his tek, but different styles work for different people. I'm sure other people who do what I normally do would contam out of their arse, and when I try what other people normally do I contam out of my arse. Try different things and see what works best.

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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: Stimpy913]
    #9353986 - 12/02/08 08:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sorry, but cutting corners will eventually bite you in the ass.  YES, YOU CAN "GET AWAY" WITH NOT SIMMERING.  YES, YOU CAN "GET AWAY" WITHOUT SOAKING.  Hell, you can "get away" with a lot of things in this hobby.  But when the day comes that you FAIL, you're going to kick you self in the ass for not being THOROUGH and PATIENT.  Here is a link to a thread where I briefly explain my method.  It may be a bit much for some of you, but when you have a 99% success rate because of it, you'll understand why.  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=9156865&page=0&vc=1&PHPSESSID=#Post9156865

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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #9353992 - 12/02/08 08:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

yeah im postponing the WBS im making a monotub with 6 BRF jars, 60/40 coir verm then cased with striaght verm. i might make a grow log or just put some pics.


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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: Demonic_Chronic]
    #9354174 - 12/02/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

ill be honest with you guys...

i would love to see any kind of scientific data backing up that you absolutely have to soak your grains or there will be hell to pay by the shroom gods. get a grip. think outside the box folks!!!

i havent been soaking my grains. i havent been straining them. i havent been doing a lot of things.

all i do is use 150ml of water to 300ml of grain.

no problems.

been using this method for over a year.

zero contams. no hassles. no bullshit. it works. period.

ive used over 150lbs of grain in the past 8 months. i havent had 1 contam result from the grain method descrbied above. ive had contams as a result of shotty lc and sterilization techniques of my work space. other than those few contams. i honestly can say that i havent had ANY problems as a result of NOT straining or simmering or whatever... playing with my grains cuz theyre so fun to fondle. 

believe me or not if you want. ill be posting a tek soon regarding this. its been done before on here and the poor guy caught hell and i tried to just to try it and it has worked out great since then.

different strokes for different folks. whatever method works best for you. just adapt your knowledge to however you want to do it.


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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: drjugglz]
    #9354265 - 12/02/08 08:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

OK, drjuggls.  I'm about to put you to the test. How long did you PC for?

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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #9354271 - 12/02/08 08:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

90 minutes.

shake immediately after done PC-ing. otherwise.... (heres the catch) itll clump up into a massive ball of gunk. 


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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #9354362 - 12/02/08 09:04 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I think foo was talking about this earlier today in another post.

He posted a link to his whole tek, but he doesn't do the whole soak thing, just brings a pot of water to a rolling boil, throw the wbs in , covers, and takes it off the heat, letting it steep for an hour.

Seems like it's worked for him and I plan on trying it out next time I prep jars...




I tried that. Wound up getting trich on the bag, whereas my other bags with soak + drain worked fine, if a little wet. Not discrediting his tek, but different styles work for different people. I'm sure other people who do what I normally do would contam out of their arse, and when I try what other people normally do I contam out of my arse. Try different things and see what works best.




Sorry to hear that. All my bags and jars have worked fine with that method. My guess would be that maybe you didn't PC long enough or maybe didn't drain long enough :shrug: Here's a WBS bag using the same method I just used as spawn recently:



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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #9354385 - 12/02/08 09:06 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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OK, drjuggls.  I'm about to put you to the test. How long did you PC for?

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PC time wouldn't be the problem IMO, it would be the starchy sludge left from not rinsing the seeds. But I say if it works, fuck what anyone else says :smile:


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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: drjugglz]
    #9354403 - 12/02/08 09:08 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, here is 150ml of water with 300ml of WBS. No straining or simmering.


Here it is ready to go into the PC.


You said 90 minutes!  Here it goes.  On your mark, get set, GO!


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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: drjugglz]
    #9354471 - 12/02/08 09:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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90 minutes.

shake immediately after done PC-ing. otherwise.... (heres the catch) itll clump up into a massive ball of gunk. 




I dont do wbs as much as rye bit i know that you shouldn't have clumps at all whatsoever; otherwise you did not properly strain the grains after hydration. All the water should be on the inside, none on the outside that can cause clumpage. It should only have tiny clumps where a busted grain is becase it sticky.


Shroomy1 you probably have a lot more experience than me but i still dont see why simmering is necessary. As long as you properly rinse, hydrate, rinse, and strain the grain it should be perfect right? Am i missing something about the simmer process? I stopped simmering after having busted so many kernels because my simmering skills are not remarkable, and itdoesnt really seem to have a negative effect.  I do boil the grains for about 5 min just to make straining more efficient and quicker, but dont simmer.  Am i missing something?


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    #9354478 - 12/02/08 09:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Nobody post for 90 minutes :wink:

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    #9354507 - 12/02/08 09:20 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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    #9354596 - 12/02/08 09:33 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Shroomy1 you probably have a lot more experience than me but i still dont see why simmering is necessary. As long as you properly rinse, hydrate, rinse, and strain the grain it should be perfect right? Am i missing something about the simmer process? I stopped simmering after having busted so many kernels because my simmering skills are not remarkable, and itdoesnt really seem to have a negative effect.  I do boil the grains for about 5 min just to make straining more efficient and quicker, but dont simmer.  Am i missing something?




Stimpy, It's not that I have a lot more experience than you, (hell, I'm trying drjuggles tek to see what it's all about).  I'm only trying to share what has worked for me.  I EXCLUSIVELY use WBS.  I can't tell you how many times I failed and how many teks i tried before I settled on what worked for me.  Simmering may be a term that is misunderstood.  SIMMERING: Cooking a liquid over low heat so that it heats to just below the boiling point.  I bring the water to a FULL boil and then add my grain.  That will bring the temp of the water down and it will stop boiling.  When the water begins to boil again, that's when I turn it off and cover it for  30 minutes.  YOU ASKED:
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As long as you properly rinse, hydrate, rinse, and strain the grain it should be perfect right?


  Well, I'm here to tell you that the "SIMMERING" process is how I PROPERLY HYDRATE my grain.  I don't sit there and boil my grain for 30 minutes!  Hell yea, your going to have busted kernals!  Do I make sense?

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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #9354626 - 12/02/08 09:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i used to simmer, but i didnt like the busted grains, they stick together alot


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    #9354669 - 12/02/08 09:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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i used to simmer, but i didnt like the busted grains, they stick together alot




You haven't figured it out yet.  When you do, You will realize that the lengthy process involved in preparing WBS is worth it.  OHHHHH soooo worth it.

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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: boomer q]
    #9354687 - 12/02/08 09:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

You make sense but let me get this straight you dont soak to hydrate u just simmer?


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    #9354732 - 12/02/08 09:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

wbs doesnt really take thjat long


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    #9354739 - 12/02/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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You make sense but let me get this straight you dont soak to hydrate u just simmer?




I DON'T SOAK TO HYDRATE.  (some people do).  I soak to germinate bacterial endospores.  I simmer to hydrate. 

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    #9354740 - 12/02/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

well, i get fine results just soaking wbs.  its not much of a lengthy process, 24 hour soak, pc for an hour and a half. 

i just dont see the need to simmer, i have an empty 3 liter soda bottle that i fill with well rinsed wbs every day and leave to soak over night.  been usin it for about 2 months now.


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well, i get fine results just soaking wbs.  its not much of a lengthy process, 24 hour soak, pc for an hour and a half. 

i just dont see the need to simmer, i have an empty 3 liter soda bottle that i fill with well rinsed wbs every day and leave to soak over night.  been usin it for about 2 months now.




That was one of the methods I tried in the past.  Different strokes for different folks.  Take a look at this properly hydrated WBS....

Does that grain look anything like what you work with?  Does it look wet?  Does it look Clumpy?  Now just imagine mycelium RUNNING through that FAT, PLUMP, properly hydrated grain. Makes me horny just thinking about it!:rockon:

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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #9354835 - 12/02/08 10:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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well, i get fine results just soaking wbs.  its not much of a lengthy process, 24 hour soak, pc for an hour and a half. 

i just dont see the need to simmer, i have an empty 3 liter soda bottle that i fill with well rinsed wbs every day and leave to soak over night.  been usin it for about 2 months now.




That was one of the methods I tried in the past.  Different strokes for different folks.  Take a look at this properly hydrated WBS....

Does that grain look anything like what you work with?  Does it look wet?  Does it look Clumpy?  Now just imagine mycelium RUNNING through that FAT, PLUMP, properly hydrated grain. Makes me horny just thinking about it!:rockon:

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    #9354875 - 12/02/08 10:10 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

yup, that looks like some good wbs. :thumbup: my problem is lack of jars, i have to fill em up as i empty em


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    #9354887 - 12/02/08 10:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I will return the favor you showed me some grain porn I'll show you some cake porn


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    #9354896 - 12/02/08 10:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Hell yea!


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    #9354928 - 12/02/08 10:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I will return the favor you showed me some grain porn I'll show you some cake porn






That last cake looks like a chestburster haha

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    #9354929 - 12/02/08 10:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Already got 6 grams dry weight first flush from the middle cake  of the middle row...  I was pleased, it still has some little fruits at the bottom.. I am waiting to see if they get any bigger or abort then I'll dunk and roll for even more.. :crazy2:

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    #9354971 - 12/02/08 10:22 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I soak to germinate bacterial endospores.




Unless you're reeeeally good at telling when your bacterial endospores are in the proper growth stage to kill the bacteria after an endospore germinates, you're more than likely creating more endospores than you started with.  Endospore producing bacteria make MORE endospores when they are put into harsh environments.  So if you soak your grain to hatch the endospores and soak them for even a little bit too long, those bacteria will reproduce exponentially.  Then, when you introduce those new bacteria to harsh environments (your high temp PC while it heats up), all of those new bacteria will produce another endospore. 

PC temps at 15 psi for over an hour WILL KILL ENDOSPORES.  That's all there is to it.  You can look on any amount of scientific text at universities all over the net for the info.  Soaking to germinate endospores is a waste of time and possibly more harmful than it is helpful.

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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: billyboy36]
    #9355111 - 12/02/08 10:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Ok Drjuggles.  Time is up! 

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    #9355272 - 12/02/08 11:09 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

hah thats cool how the caps camoflauge with the hydroton(?).


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    #9355349 - 12/02/08 11:20 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Ok Drjuggles.  Time is up! 

The shroomy 1




Come on shroomy, don't keep us hanging.

I'm betting $20 that the WBS self-inocuated and he actually pulled out 40 lbs of fully-grown mushrooms out of the PC and that's why he's too shocked to reply.

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Re: Do i absolutely have to soak WBS? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #9359421 - 12/03/08 03:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

seriously.  i never simmer.  never been a problem....
check out these jars or ill break your face.


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    #9359439 - 12/03/08 03:55 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

no. SERIOUSLY.  like totally for real.  hear me now.  bumbarasclot


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    #9359934 - 12/03/08 04:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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seriously.  i never simmer.  never been a problem....
check out these jars or ill break your face.





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seriously.  i never simmer.  never been a problem....
check out these jars or ill break your face.





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    #9360071 - 12/03/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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    #9443665 - 12/16/08 01:08 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Well, here we are 12 days later.  And the results to the test are in.  On one picture I have the "Test" Jar, and on the second Picture, I have My jar, (which was inoculated the same day).  THE ONLY CONCLUSION THAT I CAN COME TO IS THAT drjugglz method does not work FOR ME.  It doesn't mean it can't work.  Just that it doesn't work "FOR ME".  With that being said, I will continue my long-ass drawn out WBS tek.

Test Jar.


My jar.


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    #9444513 - 12/16/08 03:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

:shitfan:  hahaha


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