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Serotonin Guy
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Possible Amanita Muscaria
#9330278 - 11/29/08 01:25 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hello, I found these mushrooms and I'm pretty sure they're amanita muscarias (var. flavivolvata maybe?), but I'd like a positive ID before I cook them.

Habitat: Circular planting area under small trees in the middle of a turnaround. They were growing in soil. Found after a few rainy days, temperature was around 50 degrees Fahrenheit. They were the choice picks of a patch of about a dozen similar mushrooms.
Gills: White, close together, thin. Hard to tell if they are attached to the stem or not, I'd say not attached or very slightly attached.
Stem: Roughly 13 cm long, white, solid, tough, bulbous at the base. 2.5-3 cm wide. There is white tissue on the stem that is peeling. It looks like the remnants of a veil.
Cap: Approximately 10-15 cm in diameter (the young mushroom has a diameter of 9 cm), color varying from red to orange to yellow (mostly orange) with white warts, smooth (not viscid when wet), convex to flat to concave: the patch of mushrooms contained primarily flat/slightly concave mushrooms, but there were a few that were smaller and convex/spherical.
Spore print color: White
Bruising: No bruising observed.
Location: Pacific Northwest
Some of the stems were infested with little worms. I discarded them, but I read somewhere that you want to keep the ratio of stem to cap the same as when they were picked. Is this true, or should I cook the extra caps too?
Thank you very much.
Edited by Serotonin Guy (11/29/08 01:33 AM)
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canid
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that would be A. muscaria [sensu lato]. if there are no yellowing areas on the warts, basal structure or stipes, or no yellow bruising then it is almost certainly not the flavivolvata type.
you can remove any wormy areas and should do so as soon as possible [those things spread fast], i usually have to discard the stipes.
since you have maggots in the collection, get them drying before they rot. it happens with these quicker than you might expect.
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Re: Possible Amanita Muscaria [Re: canid]
#9330336 - 11/29/08 01:42 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the quick response,
I'm having trouble finding information on the sensu lato variation. Are they still edible and active (after being cooked) or should I avoid eating them?
Also, I was planning on cooking them, but I don't have access to an oven for about 12 hours. Is there anything I can do to prevent them from rotting in the meantime? I picked them about 12 hours ago, if that helps.
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sensu lato is a latin term which means in the broader sense, in the sense that there are probably several species of Amanita in north america going under A. muscaria, while A. muscaria proper is probably exclusively a european species.
for your purposes, yours are Psychoactive. just keep an eye on them, keep them physically appart and keep them open to fresh, moving air. check on them periodically to make sure they are not getting soggy.
if you intend to eat them, make sure you have an idea what you are getting yourself into.
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Re: Possible Amanita Muscaria [Re: canid]
#9330368 - 11/29/08 01:54 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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>.< I feel stupid now.
Thanks for the advice about drying them out. I think I know what I'm getting into if I decide to eat them, I understand that they are not hallucinogenic in the same way as the psilocybes, but that they are rather a deliriant.
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Those are Amanita muscaria var. flavivolvata
The yellow tone quickly fades from the veil remnants.
The fact that you found them in the U.S pretty much rules out any other variation.
Read my journal for muscaria consumption info.
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Don't feel stupid, your OP was a model of ID request. And your grammar/vocabulary was nice. 5 shrooms
And welcome to the Shroomery!
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might wanna wash those...
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Re: Possible Amanita Muscaria [Re: HerbBaker]
#9331181 - 11/29/08 08:57 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
warriorsoul said: Those are Amanita muscaria var. flavivolvata
The yellow tone quickly fades from the veil remnants.
The fact that you found them in the U.S pretty much rules out any other variation.
Read my journal for muscaria consumption info.
I agree with you, the warts turn white over time.
The specimens of these i have found only had yellow warts when very young.
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/amanita_muscaria.html
amanita info
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/amanita_commondistinctive.html
http://pluto.njcc.com/~ret/amanita/sectaman.html
Edited by weiliiiiiii (11/29/08 09:05 AM)
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Re: Possible Amanita Muscaria [Re: weiliiiiiii]
#9331409 - 11/29/08 10:30 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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or what is now being called Amanita amerimuscaria
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Re: Possible Amanita Muscaria [Re: HerbBaker]
#9331491 - 11/29/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the help and the warm welcome guys!
I'm going to be cooking them soon as they don't seem to have any visible signs of rot. They smell about the same, but the smell is diminished. This means that they're drying out properly, right?
Anyways, I avoided washing them because I heard that the psychoactive chemicals are soluble in water and will simply wash out of the mushroom. Is there any way I can wash them without affecting their potency?
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washing probably wouldn't affect the potency too much. Still, I've never washed actives and I've never had a problem
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Quote:
Serotonin Guy said: Thanks for the help and the warm welcome guys!
Is there any way I can wash them without affecting their potency?
You're welcome.
None that I am aware of.
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HerbBaker



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a quick rinse wont effect the potency in any noticeable amount.
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Re: Possible Amanita Muscaria [Re: HerbBaker]
#9332067 - 11/29/08 01:11 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I tried that with my powerwasher and the mushroom ended up in shambles. A kitchen faucet would probably have done the trick.
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*Senor Hongos*, have you been consuming something magic?
I know I have
Edited by Beege (11/29/08 02:13 PM)
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Re: Possible Amanita Muscaria [Re: Beege]
#9332364 - 11/29/08 02:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Possible Amanita Muscaria [Re: Beege]
#9332474 - 11/29/08 02:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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and señor hongos: are you from spain or have something to do with spanish? im saying this because of you nik, i bet you wanted to put "señor" and had no ñ..
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Re: Possible Amanita Muscaria [Re: wood man]
#9332618 - 11/29/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, the diacritical tilde is missing. I was rushing when I created the name. I speak a little Spanish, that is all. Un poco.
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Re: Possible Amanita Muscaria [Re: HerbBaker]
#9334259 - 11/29/08 08:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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warriorsoul said:...The fact that you found them in the U.S pretty much rules out any other variation...
given the diversity of Muscarian morphological forms found on this continent, and tending towards the impression of three types at least, i find that a difficult [or perhaps just bitter] pill to swallow yet completely.
i do not suppose i'm up to date on the literature, but nevertheless, i find that the majority of the flavivolvata type as i see exhibit both inherent yellow discoloration, which may tend to fade but also an active yellow bruising proccess. whether this is influenced by climatic conditions, etc. i don't know. i may be seeing morphologic variation where there is none.
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Edited by canid (11/29/08 08:55 PM)
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