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So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet.
    #9333167 - 11/29/08 05:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

It's appeared fully colonized for almost 2 weeks now, and the top of the substrate has all sorts of little knots, and just looks ready to pin.  But I just looked at the bottom of it for the 1st time ever to see this.

I suppose everything is still normal tho, as the bag is still less than a month old.  It was a fast colonizer and after mixing, it came back strong. 


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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: J3illy]
    #9333174 - 11/29/08 05:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Whoops! :-D


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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: Spongiform]
    #9333181 - 11/29/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Do you make your own bags or order prepared ones already?


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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: Spongiform]
    #9333182 - 11/29/08 05:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I'd really like to pull it out, scrape that little uncolonized layer off, and dunk it - but I'm just too worried about a contam.  I just hope that part doesn't take too long.  :mad:

arp - it's a prepared Madseason bag.

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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: J3illy]
    #9333213 - 11/29/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Is that in the "creased" , slit-like area of the bag though j3illy?

If so, I wonder if that is what would prolong pinning for 2 weeks.

I have had pins pop up even when the full mass of the bag (maybe 10%) hadn't finished colonizing. Not that that's a good thing, lol.

Maybe some of the folks who have done crap-loads of bag grows can chime in on this.

Either way, that myc looks damn healthy, so it HAS to fruit soon. :smile:

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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #9333228 - 11/29/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yea it's definitely healthy - I wish my camera had better detail, as there's all sorts of tiny rhizo growth along the edges. 

I don't think it's in the creased area tho.  I'm gonna be keeping an eye on it daily now, checking for progress.

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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: J3illy]
    #9333317 - 11/29/08 05:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like a dirty vagina.

I'm not familiar with bags, can you not mix it around at this point or would it have negative effects?

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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: SENDF]
    #9333377 - 11/29/08 05:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Mixing would be bad at this point - the whole substrate is rock hard like a brick.  If you're gonna mix you should only do it once at 30-50%, as it adds time to the process as the myc. has to spend time/energy to repair itself.  I was talking to the vendor before I mixed and he said he never does it for those reasons, and only mixes if there's a roadblock hit.  I felt it would be beneficial tho, cuz the entire front was colonized, but none of the back - so I thought it would speed things up, which it did - I just didn't get enough colonized myc. to the bottom tho.

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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: J3illy]
    #9333458 - 11/29/08 06:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Often early pinning before the bag is fully colonized is a sign of contamination on the uncolonized parts.  Also if one spot of grain refuses to colonize this is also often a sign of where the contamination is.  If i where you I would open the bag, remove the uncolonized portion, and a small amount around it.  The colonized portion will be contam resistant so you should be good to go.  Are you planning on fruiting this directly out of the bag? or do you plan on spawning it to bulk, or casing?


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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: arp180]
    #9333474 - 11/29/08 06:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I'm gonna be fruiting right in the bag, so I didn't wanna open it up before the 1st flush.  I really doubt there is a contam on that spot tho, as the myc. looks really healthy and fresh along the edges.  It's just that when I mixed the bag, I didn't get enough colonized myc. on the bottom.  I'm gonna be keeping an eye on it, and take another pic tomorrow to compare to see if it is indeed growing.

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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: J3illy]
    #9333521 - 11/29/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Invitro then?  You are taking all the fun out of this hobby. You buy your bags pre-made and then fruit inside the bag.  Man, you should really try preparing your own grains.  My favorite part of this hobby is making my own bulk substrate(i love tossing like ten different ingredients in there).  I couldn't imagine doing it any other way.  I see you only joined the Shroomery a month ago. That is the same time i did.  Do you plan on using your own stuff eventually?  I think you will find it so much more gratifying.


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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: arp180]
    #9333595 - 11/29/08 06:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

This is my 1st time growing and I wanted it to be as easy possible.  I know that these bags are good for invitro growing, and it's exactly what I wanna do for my 1st time.  Having to buy ingredients, then measure, mix, sterilize/pasteurize - is exactly what I did NOT want to do - so this is fun enough for me right now, and was all I wanted to do.

For my next grow I'll be upping the stakes.

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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: J3illy]
    #9333602 - 11/29/08 06:28 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

All that stuff sounds more complicated/intimidating than it is. Once you do it for the first time you'll be laughing at it.

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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: J3illy]
    #9333617 - 11/29/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

What do you have in mind?

And how do you have 2000 posts in a month?  Thats crazy


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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: SENDF]
    #9333629 - 11/29/08 06:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Oh yea I know, I've been reading tons of stuff on here and I feel I have some good knowledge to do a grow w/ my own stuff and all that.  But when I signed up a month and a half ago, I didn't have any interest in doing any of that, and just wanted to do something nice and simple.  Now that I am interested tho, my next grow will be my own stuff in a dub-tub.

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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: J3illy]
    #9333636 - 11/29/08 06:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Once you get your first pins, off of your own grow, it will all be worth it.


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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: arp180]
    #9333645 - 11/29/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

arp180 said:
What do you have in mind?

And how do you have 2000 posts in a month?  Thats crazy




I'm gonna do a dub-tub, spawn to bulk, etc.

And I'm on here for definitely a few hours a day, reading/posting in lots of threads.  I find myself really interested in everything, and being unemployed at the moment I have lots of free time, lol.

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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: SENDF]
    #9333701 - 11/29/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds like I'm in the same boat as you J3illy, only a step ahead [not in terms of knowledge, you're definitely well educated on the subject]. I've gotten my easy stuff behind me [two very interesting, yet informative pf-teks], and am a few days from my first real grow. I'm just waiting on my spores [B+, Equador, Amazon].

I've gone with two [coolmist and ultrasonic powered] containers. I didn't go with a mono because I wanted the room/ability to expand, as well as experiment with different things. My containers will allow for two full size trays each and either a few small trays or cakes.

I figure when I've got the space I'll setup a mono, but I'm tight as it is right now so I'll need to move to a new place to sort that out.

Sorry, don't wanna run your thread off topic.

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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: SENDF]
    #9366848 - 12/04/08 04:35 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Well here it is 5 days later.  As you can see the myc. has definitely progressed and has almost closed up the hole.  Doesn't it seem that since the myc. is STILL colonizing, that this is why it hasn't pinned yet?  I was really debating opening the bag up tomorrow, scraping off the uncolonized parts, and dunking it - but since I see progress now, I dunno what to do.



EDIT:  If I do wait this out, I'm wondering if I should just stop giving it light until that part colonizes fully. 

Edited by J3illy (12/04/08 04:53 PM)

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Re: So THIS is why bag isn't pinning yet. [Re: J3illy]
    #9367014 - 12/04/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Doesnt it say in the instructions that came with the bag? :nothingtoadd:


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