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LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid
#9332309 - 11/29/08 02:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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ive never taken lsd before but i was wondering if these myths have been debunked?
and is their any scientific research as to whether or not it stays in your spinal fluid or not?
i found a post about it on here just want to make sure, maybe plasmid can or some other members can back it up with scientific research =?
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: i95fl]
#9332337 - 11/29/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol.
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the half-life of lsd is only a few hours. it's not going to stay in your spinal fluid.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: garzythebear]
#9332368 - 11/29/08 02:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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i will tho
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: Coaster]
#9332408 - 11/29/08 02:24 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's no need for them to be debunked when they have never even had evidence backing them up.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: i95fl]
#9332500 - 11/29/08 02:48 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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i95fl said: ive never taken lsd before but i was wondering if these myths have been debunked?
and is their any scientific research as to whether or not it stays in your spinal fluid or not?
i found a post about it on here just want to make sure, maybe plasmid can or some other members can back it up with scientific research =?
Sounds like someone's been watching too many D.A.R.E. lectures at their school...
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: i95fl]
#9332506 - 11/29/08 02:49 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hell man... I wish there was such things as flashbacks!
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: shroomizzy]
#9332511 - 11/29/08 02:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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shroomizzy said: Hell man... I wish there was such things as flashbacks!
There is.
Ha there's just no correlation between flashbacks and acid storing in your spinal fluid.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: Angel_Above]
#9332535 - 11/29/08 02:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are no flash backs such as in the lsd effects resurfacing as if you were trippin again.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: shroomizzy]
#9332541 - 11/29/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think that will be disputed
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: shroomizzy]
#9332543 - 11/29/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is HPPD which is what most people consider flashbacks.
You're right, tho.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: Angel_Above]
#9332544 - 11/29/08 02:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah... acid flashbacks totally exist. The spinal chord point is just more "Big Brother-Gestapo-propaganda-rhetoric-mumbo-jumbo".
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: Wapakz]
#9332550 - 11/29/08 02:59 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wapakz said: Yeah... acid flashbacks totally exist. The spinal chord point is just more "Big Brother-Gestapo-propaganda-rhetoric-mumbo-jumbo".
Prove it.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: shroomizzy]
#9332635 - 11/29/08 03:17 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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shroomizzy said:
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Wapakz said: Yeah... acid flashbacks totally exist. The spinal chord point is just more "Big Brother-Gestapo-propaganda-rhetoric-mumbo-jumbo".
Prove it.
Which part?
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: E. Goff]
#9332676 - 11/29/08 03:23 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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All of it....
But mostly just the part that flash backs happen.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: shroomizzy]
#9332698 - 11/29/08 03:28 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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shroomizzy said: All of it....
But mostly just the part that flash backs happen.
It's my understanding that they don't. So I guess he deserves a good hard smack.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: E. Goff]
#9332732 - 11/29/08 03:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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just asking a simple question as i plan to take it this upcoming week, thanks for the clarification though.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: i95fl]
#9332768 - 11/29/08 03:47 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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i95fl said: just asking a simple question as i plan to take it this upcoming week, thanks for the clarification though.
Yeah I've never seen any scientific research or heard testimony about flashbacks occurring so have fun!
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: E. Goff]
#9332883 - 11/29/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've had flashbacks. Kinda sucks cause you're tripping when you really don't want to be.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: E. Goff]
#9332899 - 11/29/08 04:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Acid flashbacks are supposedly caused by Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, in some people the Acid trip itself is a traumatic experience and if they encounter something in the future very traumatic they'll have their "flashback" and believe they're tripping again.
I don't necessarily agree with it, but that's the general idea of the whole thing.
And no, it doesn't stay in your spinal fluid and all that crap.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: pfxtc]
#9332909 - 11/29/08 04:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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The only "flashbacks" I've ever had were simply me remembering specific mind-states I had while tripping on acid, and since those states are so heavy I can *slightly* get back into them, usually only when incredibly high.
It's as fleeting as remembering an orgasm or a stubbed toe or something, though.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: i95fl]
#9332912 - 11/29/08 04:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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i95fl said: ive never taken lsd before but i was wondering if these myths have been debunked?
and is their any scientific research as to whether or not it stays in your spinal fluid or not?
i found a post about it on here just want to make sure, maybe plasmid can or some other members can back it up with scientific research =?
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: isaacein]
#9332927 - 11/29/08 04:19 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Great contribution
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: cactastic]
#9332942 - 11/29/08 04:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bimmin said: I've had flashbacks. Kinda sucks cause you're tripping when you really don't want to be.
Prove it.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: shroomizzy]
#9332957 - 11/29/08 04:23 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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alright i gotcha, i'll be fine then.
thanks
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: LSDXM]
#9333270 - 11/29/08 05:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Krash Kharma said: Great contribution
Hey well you know what? A google search for "LSD spine" turns up Erowid LSD Vault : Myth about Permanent Presence as the first link. I haven't done a Shroomery search but I'm willing to bet a similar result. Not that the OP's a lazy n00b or anything.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: isaacein]
#9333307 - 11/29/08 05:29 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey, well ya know what? You came in on the second page of this post after the answer to the question was already been pointed out and has evolved into a conversation, just to give the standard "use the search function fag!!!" response
Shit is played out. People who've been posting on message boards for a long time know about search functions and are accustomed to looking things up themselves because people force them to People who are new do not know these things. NOBODY reads "READ THIS FIRST!!!!!" bullshit.
Get used to it, and stop being a dick.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: isaacein]
#9333308 - 11/29/08 05:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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isaacein said:
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Krash Kharma said: Great contribution
Hey well you know what? A google search for "LSD spine" turns up Erowid LSD Vault : Myth about Permanent Presence as the first link. I haven't done a Shroomery search but I'm willing to bet a similar result. Not that the OP's a lazy n00b or anything.
ive actually read that article as well. i just come to this forum for clarification and maybe a first person view on my question =)
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: i95fl]
#9333346 - 11/29/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bam. Eat that nigga
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: LSDXM]
#9333350 - 11/29/08 05:40 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Suuuch a big deal!
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: shroomizzy]
#9336613 - 11/30/08 11:00 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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shroomizzy said:
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Bimmin said: I've had flashbacks. Kinda sucks cause you're tripping when you really don't want to be.
Prove it.
Prove that I wasn't.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: cactastic]
#9336622 - 11/30/08 11:02 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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yea it's kinda rude to immediately question somebody's experience and call them a liar dude.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: cactastic]
#9336623 - 11/30/08 11:03 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bimmin said:
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shroomizzy said:
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Bimmin said: I've had flashbacks. Kinda sucks cause you're tripping when you really don't want to be.
Prove it.
Prove that I wasn't.
There is more evidence that you did not. Such as it doesn't happen.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: shroomizzy]
#9336657 - 11/30/08 11:08 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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shroomizzy: I have not seen any of this evidence. Either way, I have tripped without the use of psychedelics.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: cactastic]
#9336742 - 11/30/08 11:27 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh you have? Yeah thats not 'trippin' thats called insanity...
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: shroomizzy]
#9336785 - 11/30/08 11:34 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've quickly searched for some of this alleged evidence, but I could only find evidence to the contrary. Yes, I suppose it is a type of insanity. I was experiencing exactly what I was experiencing during my first trip (which was my hardest). This is why it is called a flashback. I've had flashbacks a few times. It hasn't happened in a while. People have flashbacks to other types of experiences as well. I have all the evidence I need. You are completely disregarding the evidence of a firsthand experience. Why? I have no idea.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: cactastic]
#9336812 - 11/30/08 11:39 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why? Because there is nothing in front of me to that shows it happened. No evidence to it any way shape or form. I just saw sasquatch... your probably questioning me... but why? I have no idea.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: shroomizzy]
#9336831 - 11/30/08 11:42 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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shroomizzy said:
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Wapakz said: Yeah... acid flashbacks totally exist. The spinal chord point is just more "Big Brother-Gestapo-propaganda-rhetoric-mumbo-jumbo".
Prove it.
Um... because I've had them before.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: shroomizzy]
#9336857 - 11/30/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would have no reason to make it up. And to the people who see sasquatch they either 1. really did see sasquach, or 2. Were mistaken and saw something else. So in my case, I either 1. really did have a flashback or 2. Experienced the same thing I did during a hard trip, but I was actually mistaken? That's kind of the definition of what a flashback is.
You're belief is based on alleged evidence you have yet to come up with. Witness testimony is pretty strong evidence.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: cactastic]
#9336909 - 11/30/08 11:56 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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My belief is based on there being zero evidence. I would only love to be proven wrong. Free trips woo! Who would argue that?
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: cactastic]
#9336924 - 11/30/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Witness testimony is evidence! You are holding a belief contrary to evidence. It really sounds like you want to be proven wrong. You wont let go of a belief that is rooted in nothing. As noted previously, tripping when you don't want to be is usually a bad thing.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: cactastic] 1
#9336977 - 11/30/08 12:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just want to say that many people have flashbacks about all kinds of things. My Grandfather had flashbacks about D-day. My Father has flashbacks about Vietnam and one horrible car crash he was in as a child. I don't see how you can't have a flashback about something as crazy as tripping balls. An acid flashback is probably not caused by the acid. A flashback can happen over anything, especially if it was traumatic.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: Rollin] 1
#9337066 - 11/30/08 12:31 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree with that . It's quite well in tune with the PTSD hypothesis, too.
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: shroomizzy]
#9337244 - 11/30/08 01:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: Wapakz]
#9337453 - 11/30/08 01:35 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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From Wikipedia:
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Wikipedia said: When they occur involuntarily, flashbacks may be due to a disorder such as Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (in cases of war-related trauma, physical or sexual abuse trauma) or Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder (when a person has used psychedelic drugs).
Of course if you look up HPPD on Wikipedia, it kind of contradicts this with the following:
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Wikipedia said: HPPD is distinct from flashbacks by reason of its relative permanence; while flashbacks are transient, HPPD is persistent.
Anecdotal evidence is not sufficient in this case because people are highly prone to suggestion and the placebo effect is quite real and well known. I've seen people convince themselves they were tripping off of plain notebook paper before. Hell, Adam Sandler did a skit about this on his first album.
By and large, flashbacks are a myth, largely perpetuated by those who want to believe. If in fact they are real, the cause would be entirely psychological, not physical.
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Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I too have seen contradictory information on there. When I was in college using Wikipedia as a source of information was a huge no-no. That's because its like here, anyone can post anything. Anecdotal evidence is never sufficient in a scientific investigation; science likes objective evidence. I agree flashbacks are psychological and not physical. This whole staying in your spine business I don't believe. I don't see how suggestion and the placebo effect are relevant here. Since I have had a flashback I don't think they are a myth. Even if flashbacks are caused by HPPD they are still real, and a risk. If I never took psychedelics I would have never had the experience to flashback to. I've only had a few flashbacks, and none recently. They have not turned me away from psychedelics. I have never had a flashback to any other experience.
Edited by cactastic (11/30/08 02:04 PM)
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: pfxtc]
#9337903 - 11/30/08 02:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe i had a very short mushroom flashback when i was laying on my bed once. My eyes just got kinda weird, perhaps the same feeling when you stand up too fast.
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in my opinion i beleive that they are very real, the mind is a very powerful thing and even if the L is out of your system, that doesnt mean anything. in my personal opinion L has such a powerful effect on the human brain that even seeing something will spark that sensation that was received on the L. ive probably eaten L over 75 times and i can ALWAYS see the patterns on the ground. and its not me imagining it, its me seeing it, because i remember. because the way i look at it, an LSD experience is something that no matter how hard you try, will never be prepared for, because youve never looked at everything around you in that way before. you cant always "prove" something with a peice of paper and a couple of trials. also looking at "flashbacks" i can sort of put it into 2 categories, 1. there are always the little pattersn i see on everything, this doesnt just happen for a period of times... its always there 2. the "flashbacks" sometimes out of nowhere i get this feelings of pressure on my head, and i look at the ground and shit actually starts to move and swirl, they feel like about 100mcg worth, last about 5 mins, happen every couple of weeks.
i would also like to point out a little section in Pihkal about 2C-I
QUALITATIVE COMMENTS (with 0 mg) I was present at a group meeting, but was only an observer. With zero milligrams of 2C-I, I was able to get to a delightful plus 2.5 in about five minutes after I arrived at your place, and absorbed the ambience of the folks who had actually imbibed the material. My level lasted about four hours and came down at about the same time as did the others. There were no after-effects experienced except for a pleasant languor.
[Erowid Note: We received several requests for clarification of this note. Alexander Shulgin confirmed that this experience was a contact-high from being near a group of people on 2C-I. He writes:
I realize that some readers think that Ann and I are the authors of all the commentaries but in reality they have come from many different authors.
I have dug around in my notes and have finally found the origin of the zero milligram comment. It was a group experiment with 2C-I. Two members of the group arrived after everyone else had started and decided not to make a late entry, simply enjoy being observers. They reported that one of them turned on almost immediately, and went up to a plus two and a half. Further into his research notes he wrote that he had "absorbed the ambience of the folks who had actually imbibed the material," and this was transferred directly to Pihkal. I hoped that this would make it obvious that it was a contact high, not a drug-induced high. -- Alexander Shulgin, Oct 2004 personal communication.
why wont some of you ask Shulgin to "PROVE" it , i think he has a little bit more experience with psycedelics
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Guys ..... I too have had flashbacks, many times.
I have eaten LSD probably over 60 times if not even more with doses up to a ten strip of blotter ... once, mushrooms probably a good 50 times with doses up to 14 grams.... once. I dont think that the "flashback" is LSD specific and I do think the spinal fluid thing is absolutely stupid.
I DEFINATELY can tell you this. Im 30 years old now, and for the last 4 or 5 years have been COMPLETELY sober, with the exception of alcohol. No weed, no nothing.... and I definately have noticed the lingering effects that my hallucegenic playground past has left me.
Has it crippled me? No, Im back in school and in fact top of my class. However, there are definately times where I get visual hallucinations. I also notice that I have been having mood swings as well, not severe ones but noticeable. These might not have anything to do with hallucinogens, keep in mind. However, I cant discount that it could have something to do with the use (abuse) of those substances and quite frankly I slightly suspect that it could me a contributing factor.
The visuals are the most noticeable thing I have experienced though. A year might even pass without it happening, sometimes it happens every other day for a week or so then it stops. The visuals are NOT the yellow monkeys dancing around type of bullshit you hear about (I never get that stuff anyway) .... but the regular swirling of carpet, flickering of tile patterns, and flowing of woodgrain marking type experiences.
Sometimes they are minor and happen only if I stare at something, sometimes, as when Im stressed out or extremely tired .. they can be downright "eye opening" and pretty deliberate and even intense. This has happened with regular occurance over the last four years, at various times and with no correlation that I have found between them ... and it did happen before I became sober but I always thought it was just the good nugs I was smoking at the time and figured that was what was causing it.
I ate 2.5 grams the other night of some mixed strain boomers. IT BLEW MY MIND ... I seriously tripped very hard. I would say it was on par with some of the higher dosage trips of my lifetime. It could have simply been because it had been so long since I had eaten them, but I think that the more you use these substances, the more they open the "door"
My personal opinion is this .... once you open the door in your mind ... and once you speed up the chemical pathways and flood your circutry with neurotransmitters (which is what happens when you trip) ... it is not unreasonable to think that some of the effects can linger. You see things that otherwise would not be possible when you take these substances. I have taken these substances a lot in my life ... guess what .... sometimes I still see things ... without any substances ingestion at all.
A curious thing to consider ... although it could be disregarded as placebo affect ... over the course of the last few months of growing these mushrooms ... my "flashbacks" have increased quite a bit (I dont like that term cuz its not a flashback to the trip so to speak as it doesnt have the anxiety, panic, and heavy breathing that tripping has or the heavy body loads and feelings .. its mostly the visual flow of patterns and colors.) Ive been using rubber gloves to harvest so as not to absorb any through the skin so there is virtually no absorbtion possible. (yes this has happened to me once when harvesting what ended up being 5 OZ's dry)
Maybe the smell of them drying in the dehydrator triggered something in my brain? I dont know ... but its definately there and something I was not prepared for.
These are my experiences ... and they are factual ... to me.
"Prove it" ....
I cant ... fuck off ....
..... but if your willing to listen, you will hear truth.
To think these chemicals do nothing to you is stupidity. How can you open a door in your mind, as powerful as the one opened ... and think that you can completely close it again afterwords. Especially after having it open for a substantial amount of time ... as I and others have had.
My 2 cents ...
So bottom line do I think you should not use LSD? Not at all ... in fact I think everyone should try these substances. I would not be the person I am today if I had not used them, and I like who I am. I honestly do not think I would be near as open minded as I am if it wasnt for these experiences and internal reflection that resulted. However, I went overboard with it and definately abused them when I was younger. I know now that these are gifts to be used wisely, and should be used in that manner ... rather then for recreation because your bored. Learn from them, they have much to teach ... but dont forget who you are in the process.
Edited by OZZ (12/04/08 05:42 PM)
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: OZZ]
#9367345 - 12/04/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Im 30 years old now, and for the last 4 or 5 years have been COMPLETELY sober, with the exception of alcohol."
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: Beege]
#9367468 - 12/04/08 06:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOL .... I almost edited that .. I knew someone would give me shit about it :P
I still drank ... just no weed or any other drugs of any kind.
BTW ... how in the hell do you have 2,500 posts inside of registering 4 months ago?
Edited by OZZ (12/04/08 06:13 PM)
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Re: LSD Flashbacks/Spinal Fluid [Re: OZZ]
#9367612 - 12/04/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I find mycology fascinating and this is one of the few outlets at my disposal for learning about it. I post a lot in the Hunting forum.
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