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    #9324466 - 11/27/08 09:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Religous experience on mescaline [Re: scruffymafia]
    #9324794 - 11/27/08 10:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

"Religion is based on truth, and cut with bullshit"

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Re: Religous experience on mescaline [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9324806 - 11/27/08 10:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

- cut with bullshit in order to spread amongst the masses...

but those willing to put the time and effort in can do the extraction tek and yield the truth

im liking this analogy. i hope it becomes a meme or something


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Re: Religous experience on mescaline [Re: Noteworthy]
    #9324907 - 11/27/08 11:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

<Only when man meets God will man know who the true God is. Church is not the true path to God; true godliness is finding your own path to The Lord.
A Shepard is not he who has a pure soul but he who has been absorbed by both the darkness and the light. A Shepard is he who knows the way from the depths of Eden to summit of Heaven. He who has never sinned can not be a true Shepard>

Sounds like the tenants of Christianity.  If you mean the Shepard (sinless) and the Lord as Jesus Christ (finding your own path to the Lord), that leaves out a lot of religions and paths.


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Long live the Shroomery and I'm done with it.:toast:

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    #9328186 - 11/28/08 04:36 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Religous experience on mescaline [Re: scruffymafia]
    #9328910 - 11/28/08 07:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I get a bit defensive about it since Jesus in the United States is usually forced upon people and to many is viewed as "the only way".  :punish2:
Thanks for clarifying and I agree with many of your assessments about God.


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Re: Religous experience on mescaline [Re: mr.bixby]
    #9329093 - 11/28/08 08:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

"But man was also born with two hands, two feet and two eyes to see God and to be able to follow him up unto heaven, man was given choice."

My cat has the choice to leave my home at any time, but I keep his food and water here, and its cold outside.

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    #9329182 - 11/28/08 08:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Religous experience on mescaline [Re: scruffymafia]
    #9330018 - 11/29/08 12:04 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I had to leave my cat with my grandmother because I came home recently and my mom can't tolerate a cat in a house.  When I visit him twice a day and pick him up he grabs on to me and puts his claws into my clothes just enough to hold on to me like he doesn't want me to leave him.

I think he'd need a pretty good reason to leave me, but thats what it would take, a reason.  If he would leave, he would not simply evaporate, although it might appear so to me.  Although if he were lost, I might never see him again, I cannot assume that the cat ceased to exist.  Perhaps he might cease to live, whatever that means.  In any case, the cat would live on, if not only in the synaptic memory of my mind and in the nutrients it would give back to the earth.

The cat is not moving, nor is it being moved.  The cat has a way of his own.  He has a hand (or paw) in the matter, but he is the matter. 

As for gratification, interestingly enough Socrates (my cat) has little interest in gratification in the sense that you and I might normally assume.  He honestly won't touch any human food except for turkey lunchmeat with nothing on it, lol.  He's a bastard like that.  He still looks at you when you eat, almost just to see if you'll tear something off for him, only to have him touch his wet nose to it and refuse.  He has his ways.  The thing is, the cat could walk, but I think at this point the little guy probably has had his fill of walking.  We got him after someone tossed him out of an apartment at the end of the semester last year.  He's experienced being alone, and also being saved.  I honestly think he prefers the latter.  A warm home, food, water, and people to fuck with are all a cat really needs.  That last bit is just sort of a necessary evil that comes with the first bit.

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Re: Religous experience on mescaline [Re: scruffymafia]
    #9330072 - 11/29/08 12:17 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I'm uncomfortable with the term "religious experience."  I often hear this term applied when one attempts to describe the effects of psychedelic drugs.  I would imagine that this description could prove to be rather confusing for one who has never had this type of experience; they might imagine a friendly chat with Jesus, Allah, or whatever fictional character they associate with the notion of religion and therefore enter into the trip with unrealistic expectations.

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Re: Religous experience on mescaline [Re: it stars saddam]
    #9330099 - 11/29/08 12:25 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

If one thinks they are talking to jesus, then they are going to think that they talked to jesus.

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Re: Religous experience on mescaline [Re: xFrockx]
    #9330178 - 11/29/08 12:43 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

If one reads a retarded post, they are going to think it is a retarded post.


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Re: Religous experience on mescaline [Re: xFrockx]
    #9330189 - 11/29/08 12:46 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
If one thinks they are talking to jesus, then they are going to think that they talked to jesus.




Oh come on now Frock.  First of all, psychedelics such as mescaline and LSD don't typically produce those types of vivid, lifelike hallucinations, at least not to such an extent that one would be able to coherently converse with said hallucination (Jesus in this case).  Also, if one were to somehow converse with an archetypal religious figure while under the influence of a hallucinogen, I would hope that upon reflection of his divine discourse, the subject might remind himself that he was tripping on a hallucinogenic drug at the time.  One could argue that the events which occur within a subject's drug experience are no less real than the events which occur to him in a state of sobriety, and I might agree, but I can't help but wonder why the sort of "religious experiences" you describe rarely seem to occur in the absence of chemical ingestion?

For those impassioned seekers looking to make contact with the realm of the gods, I hypothesize that potent deliriants would be far more effective in attaining your goals.

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    #9330284 - 11/29/08 01:27 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Religous experience on mescaline [Re: it stars saddam]
    #9330291 - 11/29/08 01:29 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I've seen 'Jesus' with a kaleidescope of rainbows all around while he was up on his little cross slowly floating toward me(CEV)...My buddy and I also buried a dead seal about 20 minutes after we dropped that day at the beach. Coincidence?! fuck if I know, but 3 strong hits of acid (you were talking about mescaline..but acid..) will do some weird shit.


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Re: Religous experience on mescaline [Re: scruffymafia]
    #9330402 - 11/29/08 02:04 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Who cares about peoples preconceptions about a drug trip anyway




I certainly do, considering that one's expectations of a psychedelic experience determine the manner in which his experience will play out to a large degree.

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Re: Religous experience on mescaline [Re: it stars saddam]
    #9330514 - 11/29/08 02:36 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

interesting passage and interesting ideas.
glad you had a great experience.





too bad the human race was created to mine gold. :lol:


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Re: Religous experience on mescaline [Re: it stars saddam]
    #9330528 - 11/29/08 02:41 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmmm, so Christians see Jesus and Muslims see Mohamed, eh?

Makes-a sense. :strokebeard:


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Re: Religous experience on mescaline [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9331073 - 11/29/08 08:08 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I see torridly sexy women performing insanely wonderful acts upon me.  What does that make me?


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Re: Religous experience on mescaline [Re: it stars saddam]
    #9331308 - 11/29/08 09:50 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Tell that to Danielle.  Whatever it meant, all I was saying is that people believe what they want to believe.

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