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antarchy
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Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry?
#9322765 - 11/27/08 04:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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or should I use two.
which strains have produced the most fruit for ya'll?
Edited by antarchy (11/27/08 04:07 PM)
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German Kahuna
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: antarchy]
#9322780 - 11/27/08 04:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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One is fine. You could do two 3 pound bags with one syringe. It all depends how patient you can be.
Edited by German Kahuna (11/27/08 04:08 PM)
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J3illy
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: antarchy]
#9322798 - 11/27/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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1 syringe would be enough. 3 lb bag w/ multispore is gonna take a while to colonize tho. I would definitely suggest you use multiple inoculation sites. Here's what I'd do - 5 inoc. points, right on the surface of the substrate. Do the left/right sides of the front, 2cc each. Then squirt 2cc into each of the rear corners, then the last 2cc right in the middle.
Also, you're only putting the needle into the bag once - and moving it around from point to point INSIDE.
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: German Kahuna]
#9322807 - 11/27/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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cool. know anything about golden teacher? potent? good yield in rye?
I think I may use two then. or one and a half. I'd like to speed it up a bit.
Thanks.
Edited by antarchy (11/27/08 04:14 PM)
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: antarchy]
#9322918 - 11/27/08 04:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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My experience with Golden Teacher is they are very potent.I don't get a prolific pinset,but the overall weight is great.Do the 1-1/2 and then knock up a Liquid culture with the rest,and then you have plenty.
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: shroomophile]
#9322961 - 11/27/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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1.5 would be even better - use even more inoc. points - the more the better. My 1st bags I did 2 inoc. points in the front. Growth was good, but confined to the front, and wasn't working its way back quick enough - so I had to mix the bag. My next bags, I did 4 inoc. points, w/ the 2 more in the rear, and they're going GREAT. I'm not gonna have to mix cuz the growth is even. Mixing is OK, but it definitely slows things down, cuz the myc. has to recover. And like I said, for the rear of the bag, just squirt the solution right back there.
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: J3illy]
#9424494 - 12/13/08 02:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I did one with multiple inoc points. It's been 5 days and I see no growth at all. I didn't get to put it in the hot box right away and it got cold then I turned a heater on and it got mid 90s while I was away I got stabilized at 81 but I'm worried I killed it. Should I start over or leave it alone?
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: antarchy]
#9424513 - 12/13/08 02:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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2 cc's per bag, anymore and you might throw off your moisture content. Working with LC is different than multispore solution. You can do 100 cc of LC but if you inject 10 cc's into a three pound bag you will have a high chance of messing up the grow. I put 8cc's in a 3 pound bag and the moisture was too high along with water at the bottom of the bag that just sat there.
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: djmako7]
#9424537 - 12/13/08 02:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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djmako7 said: 2 cc's per bag, anymore and you might throw off your moisture content. Working with LC is different than multispore solution. You can do 100 cc of LC but if you inject 10 cc's into a three pound bag you will have a high chance of messing up the grow. I put 8cc's in a 3 pound bag and the moisture was too high along with water at the bottom of the bag that just sat there.
2cc's per bag MAX for a 3 lb bag? No way, dude. I have a 1 lb bag that I shot almost 8cc's into and it's doing fine. For the most part I was doing 4cc's and that worked out perfectly. For a 3lb bag, this would be 12-24cc. And how is LC so much different than multispore? It's still moisture you're putting into the bag. Saying that 100cc LC is fine, but 2cc's of multispore at the most, makes very little sense.
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: J3illy]
#9424549 - 12/13/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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The more spores you put in your substrate, the more substrains you get, thus you get a higher chance that some substrains won't be compatible - and no substrain will get the benefit of dominating the whole substrate.
Too much spores is bad.
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: antarchy]
#9424557 - 12/13/08 02:24 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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but what about 5 days after inoc with no myc growth? I did one syringe 10 cc I think.
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: J3illy]
#9424564 - 12/13/08 02:25 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's actually a huge difference. The spores will have to germinate first. In an LC you have free floating mycelium that you inject into the substrate and it'll take off right away.
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: antarchy]
#9424570 - 12/13/08 02:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Be patient. 5 days is not long enough to call it a failure. Wait at least twice as long before even starting to worry.
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: dead]
#9424576 - 12/13/08 02:27 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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dead said: Too much spores is bad.
I agree with this, but 2 cc's for a 3 lb bag is just too little. A 3 lb bag 48 oz. People generally use 1 cc for a 1/2 pint cake which is 8 oz. I got my best results in my bag with 4-5 cc's on a 1 lb bag. So for a 3 lb bag, it would only make sense to use 10-15 cc's.
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: German Kahuna]
#9424590 - 12/13/08 02:29 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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German Kahuna said: Be patient. 5 days is not long enough to call it a failure. Wait at least twice as long before even starting to worry.
Yea, not even CLOSE to call it a failure. Some people wait 1-2 weeks to see growth in bags. And if you didn't inoculate on the VERY surface of the substrate, you'll wait longer. And if you've messed around with the substrate, mixing the bag, massaging it, etc. - you'll wait even LONGER.
Also, where are the spores from?
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: J3illy]
#9424623 - 12/13/08 02:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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J3illy said:
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dead said: Too much spores is bad.
I agree with this, but 2 cc's for a 3 lb bag is just too little. A 3 lb bag 48 oz. People generally use 1 cc for a 1/2 pint cake which is 8 oz. I got my best results in my bag with 4-5 cc's on a 1 lb bag. So for a 3 lb bag, it would only make sense to use 10-15 cc's.
You realize the 8 oz in a 1/2 pint is volume right?
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: chiquita_burrito]
#9424641 - 12/13/08 02:39 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do, but the point was to show the comparison of a 1/2 pint cake to a 3 lb bag, which is about 6x as large. And I'm pretty sure a 1/2 pint cake weighs roughly 8 oz anyway, give or take an ounce maybe.
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: J3illy]
#9424661 - 12/13/08 02:44 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm just saying they are different measurements. I have no experience with bags anyway so I'm just gonna duck out of this conversation.
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J3illy
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: chiquita_burrito]
#9424693 - 12/13/08 02:49 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea it's tough to say what any substrate mixture would weigh, all gonna be different. But it's convenient to call a 1/2 pint 8 oz and such, just for comparison. The weights are definitely gonna vary too, depending on the moisture content and everything too, with any substrate.
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Re: Is one syringe enough for a 3 pound bag of rye berry? [Re: J3illy]
#9427460 - 12/13/08 11:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I got the spores from spore works. substrate too.
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