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Tujone containing salvias?
    #932235 - 10/04/02 04:35 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Which salvia plants are known to contain significant amouts of tujone??


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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: psylo33o]
    #932361 - 10/04/02 05:13 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I didn't know any salvias contained Thujone.


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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: psylo33o]
    #932565 - 10/04/02 06:29 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Basically any sage that is sold in a health food/herb store (white sage, dalmation sage, etc) Any good books on herbs will tell you alpha and beta thujone content. Wormwood contains the highest amount of thujones.


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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: psylo33o]
    #933549 - 10/05/02 01:43 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

what do you want it for?


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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: felixhigh]
    #933688 - 10/05/02 02:39 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

what do you want it for?



Absinthe I would assume


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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: zeta]
    #935200 - 10/05/02 09:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

It's a waste to use them for Absinthe, no recipe calls for it's use, I looked around in some books i have, and it's worth of Absinthe is crap other than adding flavor.


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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: neuro]
    #935436 - 10/05/02 11:45 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

neuro has said what i was going to say...
i don't think it should be of much use for absinthe... other than flavor. =)


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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: felixhigh]
    #935780 - 10/06/02 02:05 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

is absinthe pretty good? i was just checking it out sounds pretty cool.....what does it feel like?


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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: felixhigh]
    #936110 - 10/06/02 09:42 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

> what do you want it for?

I'm guessing he suffers from the common misguided belief that thujone has value as a psychoactive substance.


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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: Murple]
    #936128 - 10/06/02 10:16 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Hum... indeed, I think I am suffering from that misbeleif... :frown:  But I just want to inquire of any other psychoactive sages, expect from Divinorum and Splendens...  So tujone really doesn't have any value? I was nearly totally sure that it is the main active substance in absinthe expect from alcohol..


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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: psylo33o]
    #936376 - 10/06/02 01:39 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Drinking absinthe, just makes you feel really drunk. That's about it. There is no other discernable feeling, and if you didn't know any better, which you probably do, you wouldn't be able to distinguish between drinking normal amounts of absinthe, or drinking lots and lots of alcohol. Feeling is no different, and it's bad for your brain, especially if you already have brain problems, like lesions, epilepsy and stuff like that.

Waste of time, unless you just like to make weird concoctions, then Absinthe fills that value.


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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: neuro]
    #938204 - 10/07/02 01:42 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Do some research on Thujone it does have value...just not from people expecting to get high from drinking it in absinthe...it is a chemical very closely related to THC and mescaline...but different in its effect...check it out, the best wild or introduced source of I have come accross is mugwort which grows pretty much everywhere and has the highest content apart from wormwood I believe.


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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: StInvetroThomas]
    #939078 - 10/07/02 10:01 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I have experimented widely with wormwood extractions, and I know from firsthand experience that thujones are definetely psychoactive. Few have tried real absinthe, it is quite powerful, and much different than being drunk. Extracted resins from thujones begin producing strong effects with continued use, and become addictive quickly, and can eventually cause temporary or permanent insanity (hehe, I sound like the narrator for Reefer Madness style films, but im dead serious, and ive seen directly the positive and negative effects thujones have on the human mind.)


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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: Remy]
    #939121 - 10/07/02 10:18 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Ah! Now thats the tujone I heard about!!  What is the latin name of mugwort?? do you think U could get me some seeds if you cross any ready to be collected?? Otherwise, I'm surley going to try to find some wormwood seeds, but I would be real happy if the tujone came from a salvia, damn, do I love that genus :smile:


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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: StInvetroThomas]
    #939188 - 10/07/02 10:36 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

> it is a chemical very closely related to THC and mescaline

This is very untrue.


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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: Murple]
    #939523 - 10/07/02 12:41 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Here is an url which will explain more about thujone.

http://www.phc.vcu.edu/feature/thuj/thujone.html

In it it does say that it is closely related to THC...maybe I got mixed up with mescaline and salvinorin A...dunno thought I read it somewhere...if not I stand corrected.

Oops forgot to mention that mugwort is Artemesia vulgaris.

Here is a good link

http://www-ang.kfunigraz.ac.at/~katzer/engl/generic_frame.html?Arte_vul.html

In this article it also mentions that sage does contain thujone...allthough it is not the primary constituent of the oil like that of wormwood and mugwort.

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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: StInvetroThomas]
    #940885 - 10/07/02 08:06 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

>In it it does say that it is closely related to THC

What they are referring to is that it has one common shape, look at the overlap, the molecules are obviously chemically different. They were referring that the first cyclopentane groups with function groups hanging off matchs with a Thujone in some but not exact way, but there is much more to a THC molecule than there is to a Thujone.
Murple is right.


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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: neuro]
    #941560 - 10/08/02 03:32 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Just my opinion..
I drunk commercial absinthe (I found it in Prague) and I made absinthe at home and both were good, not only a drunk feeling but absolutely something more "strange", yes...
And, from what I know, also Salvia officinalis contain some thujone, but it's better to make absinthe with wormwood.
Just my experiences :smile:
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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: neuro]
    #942165 - 10/08/02 09:57 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

OK, ok... well, thanx for all the info, I didn't managed to get to that tujone link though, I'll try later... so, I'll try and get different artemesia species, and some salvia officinialis (sp??), and keep on the search for more tujone and other containing herbs, to get some oil of each to mix, and I'll see what I'll do with it... surely going to mix with some Salvia Splendens oil, and see what that gives... don't worry, I'm not going to blow my brain out :smile: i'll be carefull Let ya know what when I get all the needed plants to make a .. euh.. donno what to call it, basicly a tujone and others mix!!


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Re: Tujone containing salvias? [Re: StInvetroThomas]
    #942808 - 10/08/02 02:15 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Thujone, THC, and salvinorin-A are alike in the way that a table, a chair, and a cat are alike. Thujone etc are all diterpenes, which means they share a certain part of a chemical structure, much as a table and a cat both have legs. However, a table and a cat do not act at all alike, in spite of having legs, nor does thujone act like THC.


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