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psilopsilo1111
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Is a cube a cube?
#9317324 - 11/26/08 03:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hear this all the time. Is it bull shit when a spore site says one strain is more potent compared to another. Ive seen RR say do not be tricked my the name. Is a cube a cube?
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backintheriver
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use the search function.
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Mad Merlyn
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I have heard that term in relation to the Growth Parameters of the mushrooms, but I can say personally that each strain can and does carry its own trip.
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J3illy
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Yes. Potency will vary from grow to grow, and even fruit to fruit w/ multispore. The only way to get shrooms that are certified potent all the time, you're gonna have to isolate yourself.
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doze
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yes. they are small variations in potency but growing from multispore your results can vary. cambodian and penis envy seem to be consistently higher in potency.
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psilopsilo1111
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: J3illy]
#9317359 - 11/26/08 03:08 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dumped some tissue in a lc three days ago.
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psilopsilo1111
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lock this motherfucker. My strain was cambodia, so that makes me happy. If your right, I think I'll get penis envy now. Thanks
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Mad Merlyn
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Everyone has a strain that they claim to be super potent. Fact of the matter is, the results are all subjective and opinionated.
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: J3illy]
#9317409 - 11/26/08 03:17 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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J3illy said: Yes. Potency will vary from grow to grow, and even fruit to fruit w/ multispore. The only way to get shrooms that are certified potent all the time, you're gonna have to isolate yourself.
Isolate yourself from what, or who (or is it whom?)?
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J3illy
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You're gonna have to isolate the strain yourself using petri dishes and agar. An easier way would be to just clone a good potent fruit - but to really nail it, you'd have to get it on agar, see how many sectors there are, and test out each sector w/ a small grow to see what sectors are responsible for what. When you find the sector responsible for the potency - there you go, there's your isolate.
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doze
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: J3illy]
#9317468 - 11/26/08 03:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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and make that sector into an lc so you can start more grows with that potency.
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: J3illy]
#9317469 - 11/26/08 03:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Trainee my ass.
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psilopsilo1111
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sucks to know a cube is a cube.
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J3illy
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"a cube is a cube" is basically the growth parameters - all strains grow the same. And if you tested for actives, I'm pretty sure they'd all be very similar.
But if you talk to ppl who have eaten different strains, most will have different opinions on different strains. For example, 1 may be more of a "mind fuck", 1 may be more mellow, 1 may be more visual, etc.. But then again someone else may have a different description.
Whether or not this is all personal opinion - well that's for you to decide.
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: J3illy]
#9317597 - 11/26/08 03:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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so, can Penis envy produce sporeprints or not??
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doze
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it can, sometimes. but it does not print well and most of the time they are sterile.
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: doze]
#9317854 - 11/26/08 04:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I grew Puerto ricans and they were like speed.Then i grew some koh samui and them sum bitches would make you cry.A cube may grow like a cube,but different strains won't trip you the same.
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shroomophile said: I grew Puerto ricans and they were like speed.Then i grew some koh samui and them sum bitches would make you cry.A cube may grow like a cube,but different strains won't trip you the same.
I disagree. Mindset has a huge part in what direction your trip takes. Potency is ginetic.
I have tried several different strains, even the ones that claim to be very potent. I didnt notice any difference in potency between b+ golden teach, koh samia, lipa yia, same with type of trip. Same for visuals and mindfuck etc.
Its all in your mind.
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J3illy
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I dunno Veda. alot of ppl, TC's even - have said how some strains have a different kind of trip. Psilocin/Psilocybin aren't the only actives, and there could be other factors responsible. Plus different strains come from all around the world, so even though they're the same species, there's definitely some variations in what exactly is in them.
There's definitely some degree of personal opinion going into it - but I think there are some differences.
Ever notice how different strains of weed have a different high? Actually here's a better example - ever notice how what type of alcohol you drink gives you a different kinda buzz? You can't possibly say that drinking beer, wine, or hard liquor is ALL the same. There's little differences in the intoxication - yet they all contain ethanol.
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: J3illy]
#9318247 - 11/26/08 05:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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All i can say is i've been growing and eating shrooms for over 30 years now.Not all cubes are the same.
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Set & setting play a huge part. I would say different species produce different trips, but when it comes to cubensis it's probably just your mindset affecting things.
Remember, the mushrooms and the actives they contain are just a tool. The trip that results is all done by your mind. It's like how pearls are born. A grain of sand enters your brain, but the brain makes the pearl around it all on it's own.
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: dead]
#9318388 - 11/26/08 06:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are many varieties of cubensis.To think that the genetics say each strain will produce the exact same amount of active compounds is crazy to me.I agree that two 10 mg doses of psilocybian are equal,but in a mushroom you have ratios to other compounds that interact and vary from strain to strain.Pot logic seems to support this as well.
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J3illy
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Exactly. Psilocybin isn't the only active. You have the ratio of psilocin to psilocybin that matters. You have baeocystin and norbaeocystin, which are psilocybin analogs. And there's definitely other variables.
Yea set, setting, and mindset play a large role. But that's not gonna account for everything. When you have strains from different areas of the world, there's gonna be differences in the composition.
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: J3illy]
#9320634 - 11/27/08 02:37 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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[quote]Panaeolina foenisecii, commonly called the Haymaker, is a very common and widely distributed little brown mushroom often found on lawns. It fruits in warm weather and does not contain the hallucinogen psilocybin despite several erroneous reports to the contrary. [1] In 1963 Tyler and Smith found that this mushroom contains serotonin, 5-htp and 5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid.
from wikipedia
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: Mad Merlyn]
#9320661 - 11/27/08 02:56 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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i like the beer/wine/liquor and the weed comparison. a cube is a cube as far a growing goes though.
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BlimeyGrimey
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psilopsilo1111 said: Is a cube a cube?
In the 4th dimension they're called tesseracts!
Most cubes are the same as far as growing them goes.
I can attest to the fact that they are not all the "same" though.
Transkei always gives me hollow stems that dry out to resemble paper straws while PF strains (Classic,Redspore) give me fat stems that are very cottony inside. PE tends to give dense solid fruits and Malabars stretch out sooooooooo much after breaking their veil compared to other strains.
This is all "in my experience" though.
I've been told South American cubes are some of the best "all-around" cubes to grow.
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BlimeyGrimey said:
I've been told South American cubes are some of the best "all-around" cubes to grow.
and large fruit
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: Juke Adro]
#9320927 - 11/27/08 05:35 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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the trip isnt very visual tho on south smericans.
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Juke Adro
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: bnutz]
#9320933 - 11/27/08 05:37 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol don't blame the strain, was prolly just a shitty ms grow, you can make anything good with agar work and trials
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: Juke Adro]
#9320934 - 11/27/08 05:40 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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of all the strains i grown the SA were the worst trip 4 me.
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Juke Adro
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: bnutz]
#9320945 - 11/27/08 05:47 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its got the same active compounds as all the other strains, so musta just been the setting
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: Juke Adro]
#9320965 - 11/27/08 06:03 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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i need to order some agar petri dishes 2 stop fuckin around with MS and then clone and stop wasting time with all these shitty little mushrooms.
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Juke Adro
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: bnutz]
#9320978 - 11/27/08 06:11 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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You don't really need agar, the inner part of the stem is sterile and will not cause any contams you can cut a small fragment out and place it in grain or into a LC or in a brf jar it will go blue then in a day start growing myc back then in a week your jar/LC will be full of brilliant white myc
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: Juke Adro]
#9320984 - 11/27/08 06:14 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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hopefully i can get a monter out of my 2nd flush n clone it the with sum LC cause i hate these damn little shits.
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Juke Adro
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: bnutz]
#9320985 - 11/27/08 06:16 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Try making a deeper substrate expand, and you should be able to get a few huge guys.
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: Juke Adro]
#9321011 - 11/27/08 06:33 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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it already like 3-4in deep ,setup is perfect but still giving off tiny little shits.And it's hpoo.and it in a huge aluminum food tray.
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Juke Adro
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: bnutz]
#9321014 - 11/27/08 06:35 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok that sux.
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: Juke Adro]
#9321118 - 11/27/08 07:36 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Second the motion on the deep substrate. I did multispore rye to bulk neglect and got huge fruits as compared to earlier small fruits.
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: wander02]
#9321136 - 11/27/08 07:48 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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i hope they start getting bigger with each flush, i got a few big ones.
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Re: Is a cube a cube? [Re: bnutz]
#9321159 - 11/27/08 08:02 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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you can make anything good with agar work and trials
Does RR's video teach this?
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Juke Adro
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Yeah he shows you how to isolate and make everything.
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