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OfflineEpigallo
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Anyone care to assess the efficacy of this NLP technique?
    #9314497 - 11/25/08 11:38 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Psychologically or otherwise logically that is. The technique is as follows:

1. Identify a doubt you have of your ability to have or achieve something.
2. Find a real situation in your past that gives credence to that doubt.
3. Play the scene in your mind. Fade the colors to black&white, and zoom the viewpoint out so that the people & objects become small. Give them silly voices and appearances.
4. Rewind and fast forward at 2X speed.

Should practicing this help get rid of the doubt and visceral reaction? :confused:

Note: I am not looking for advice on whether I to practice this, just an analysis.


Edited by Epigallo (11/25/08 11:49 PM)


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Re: Anyone care to assess the efficacy of this NLP technique? [Re: Epigallo]
    #9315226 - 11/26/08 03:32 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

the only benefit of this is mental strength and agility,
however it is like one armed left handed pushups,
not a balanced practice.

you need more analysis of mental articulation
- i.e. what is what in the mind.
before going beefy in your pursuit of relief.

clue: mind is associative


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Re: Anyone care to assess the efficacy of this NLP technique? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9315964 - 11/26/08 10:04 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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clue: mind is associative




so, mind associates a degree of fear with the situation
maybe last time someone went swimming they got bitten by a shark
so they do this exercise to weaken that association

I dunno, I'm having trouble assembling an analysis with clues.

What makes it unbalanced as opposed to just plain misdirected?


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Re: Anyone care to assess the efficacy of this NLP technique? [Re: Epigallo]
    #9316000 - 11/26/08 10:19 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Why do you need tricks when you can simply ignore your own doubts?

It seems like the technique should work, but only because the scenario allows you to envision the grand insignificance of your own fears.  This should be possible no matter what sleight of hand you pull in the visualization of your mind's eye.


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Re: Anyone care to assess the efficacy of this NLP technique? [Re: deCypher]
    #9316025 - 11/26/08 10:27 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Good point. It may be kind of like the placebo effect. One needs a "technique or pill" to activate innate potentials because self doubt stands in the way.


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Re: Anyone care to assess the efficacy of this NLP technique? [Re: Icelander]
    #9316145 - 11/26/08 11:00 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Why do you need tricks when you can simply ignore your own doubts?




conditioning, visceral reaction.


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Re: Anyone care to assess the efficacy of this NLP technique? [Re: Epigallo]
    #9316206 - 11/26/08 11:17 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

In my opinion, efficacy is usually deduced from causation rather than end result, which is hard to pinpoint if your ballpark is the unconscious mind.

NLP is a marketing gimmick. It's history, court battles, and scientific bullshit is funny to read.

http://skepdic.com/neurolin.html


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Re: Anyone care to assess the efficacy of this NLP technique? [Re: Arden]
    #9316211 - 11/26/08 11:19 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I have a ex friend who went high up in the NLP training. He would blow up at me whenever the discussion got heated.:lol:


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Re: Anyone care to assess the efficacy of this NLP technique? [Re: Icelander]
    #9316239 - 11/26/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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NLP is a marketing gimmick. It's history, court battles, and scientific bullshit is funny to read.




right, but there's always baby versus bathwater


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Re: Anyone care to assess the efficacy of this NLP technique? [Re: Epigallo]
    #9316383 - 11/26/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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right, but there's always baby versus bathwater




True. There are many viable ideas within their framework that have potential.

But it seems they are far outweighed by the nonsense. One can sit around and find scientific utility in many scam-oriented topics. We could spin linguistic and philosophical metaphors out of any collection of pseudo-science. There's just more 'efficacy' in going ahead and tossing the baby. :tongue:


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Re: Anyone care to assess the efficacy of this NLP technique? [Re: Arden]
    #9316407 - 11/26/08 11:54 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

But it seems they are far outweighed by the nonsense.

Look at how true this is from Buddhism to Politics. It seems to come with the territory.


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Re: Anyone care to assess the efficacy of this NLP technique? [Re: Arden]
    #9316470 - 11/26/08 12:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

There's just more 'efficacy' in going ahead and tossing the baby. :tongue:




I disagree. As if any method of change is surrounded by a completely clean record. :rolleyes:


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Re: Anyone care to assess the efficacy of this NLP technique? [Re: Epigallo]
    #9316710 - 11/26/08 12:55 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

NLP works, its nothing but simple visualization made complicated tho. By simply visualizing something you actually increase your skill. This is already confirmed through scientific experiments.

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How The Brain Rewires Itself
By SHARON BEGLEY

Friday, Jan. 19, 2007

It was a fairly modest experiment, as these things go, with volunteers trooping into the lab at Harvard Medical School to learn and practice a little five-finger piano exercise. Neuroscientist Alvaro Pascual-Leone instructed the members of one group to play as fluidly as they could, trying to keep to the metronome’s 60 beats per minute. Every day for five days, the volunteers practiced for two hours. Then they took a test.

At the end of each day’s practice session, they sat beneath a coil of wire that sent a brief magnetic pulse into the motor cortex of their brain, located in a strip running from the crown of the head toward each ear. The so-called transcranial-magnetic-stimulation (TMS) test allows scientists to infer the function of neurons just beneath the coil. In the piano players, the TMS mapped how much of the motor cortex controlled the finger movements needed for the piano exercise. What the scientists found was that after a week of practice, the stretch of motor cortex devoted to these finger movements took over surrounding areas like dandelions on a suburban lawn.

The finding was in line with a growing number of discoveries at the time showing that greater use of a particular muscle causes the brain to devote more cortical real estate to it. But Pascual-Leone did not stop there. He extended the experiment by having another group of volunteers merely think about practicing the piano exercise. They played the simple piece of music in their head, holding their hands still while imagining how they would move their fingers. Then they too sat beneath the TMS coil.

When the scientists compared the TMS data on the two groups–those who actually tickled the ivories and those who only imagined doing so–they glimpsed a revolutionary idea about the brain: the ability of mere thought to alter the physical structure and function of our gray matter. For what the TMS revealed was that the region of motor cortex that controls the piano-playing fingers also expanded in the brains of volunteers who imagined playing the music–just as it had in those who actually played it.

"Mental practice resulted in a similar reorganization" of the brain, Pascual-Leone later wrote. If his results hold for other forms of movement (and there is no reason to think they don’t), then mentally practicing a golf swing or a forward pass or a swimming turn could lead to mastery with less physical practice. Even more profound, the discovery showed that mental training had the power to change the physical structure of the brain.




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