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Re: Talking about GUNS and DEPRESSING ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD [Re: deCypher]
    #9313292 - 11/25/08 08:15 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I agree yet disagree with that.  It would be nice to live in a world where guns are unheard of, and noone is shot.

Then again, crime will still happen, and criminals will adapt. A pistol only gives someone 30 yards of leverage, about the same as a bow and arrow.  So what's the difference? Yes a largebore pistol can cause more damage than a bow and arrow, but its still fatal either way. Heck, it'd be more painfull being arrowed to death.

I'd much rather have the ability to buy guns, learn how to use them, and be known as too much of a threat for an armed robber.  I also think every single senior citizen should at least pack a .22 because they are commonly singled out. 

Guns are here to stay, just like air conditioners, cars, computers, etc....

A world without guns is way way back in the past and no longer relevant.  The black market makes it irrelivent. There's no way to fix it short of a global genocide.


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Re: Talking about GUNS and DEPRESSING ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD [Re: Stimpy913]
    #9313322 - 11/25/08 08:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Pragmatically speaking you're correct.

But what about when weapon technology advances to the point where we're able to kill a person simply by pointing at them?  (Imagine nanotechnology or something similar... it's bound to happen eventually if we don't kill ourselves off first.)  Does every one have the unalienable right to possess this as well?


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Re: Talking about GUNS and DEPRESSING ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD [Re: deCypher]
    #9313338 - 11/25/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

yes


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Re: Talking about GUNS and DEPRESSING ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD [Re: Stimpy913]
    #9313342 - 11/25/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

BTW filthee that's great. If america lost its gun rights, it would be epicly horrible. There'd be a huge increase in armed robbery overnight. Only the people that follow the rules to a T would willingly give up their firearms, and the criminals who dont' care would use that as a way to make a killin in more ways than one.

DC had one of the highest crime rates in the universe for a long time, and it was illegal to own pistols in DC.  If you walk around on the streets back then, you aren't allowed to have a pistol and just have to submit to an armed lowlife/crackhead's demands or your face gets blown off, or you get stabbed to death.   


Now, i garuntee over the next 5 years there will be a lowered crime rate in DC because its no more ez pickins for criminals with pistols. They will have some stick up kid get his face blown in half, and the rest of the stickups will hear about it, and make haste into the dungeon to break out the ol' drawing board.  Why? Because the man who blows the face off of that criminal will not be prosecuted just for protecting his life, family and belongings.


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Re: Talking about GUNS and DEPRESSING ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD [Re: niteowl]
    #9313901 - 11/25/08 09:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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niteowl said:
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Beege said:
On one hand, a *nation* has got a right to protect themselves from intruders and an invasive government.

On the other, *weapons imbalance is* part of the main reason problems on the previous hand exist.




*fixed*

If everyone walked around with a 6 gun on their hip.
Fewer people would get mugged.

If every nation had nukes, nations would be much less likely to start a war.




please don't change my words, it's rude. I meant what I said, not what you warped that quote to say.

and, while nations will be less likely to start it, once somebody -does- start it, it won't end any time soon.


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Re: Talking about GUNS and DEPRESSING ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD [Re: Beege]
    #9313968 - 11/25/08 09:51 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

fuck whoever edited your post, because whoever did so needs to commit suicide for becoming a member on a shroom forum and then editing people's opinions. Sup irony and stupidity coupled to become the ultimate regressive hero of the century?!


However Beege, IMO, if one superpower started a nuclear war with another superpower, then the human race would cease to exist within a few hours tops. 


There's no fighting a nuke, let alone hundreds or thousands of nukes. You can't protest nukes, because you will be vaporized and no one would want to listen to you anyways.



If people want to protest, they should argue a bout their tax dollars going to marijuana "offendors",  and people who've been caught with semi aujto shotguns in australia (and other countries) who want nothing more than to shoot some hares.


Don't let the *MORALLY GOOD* causes blind you from the electrocution of death which is at hand.


It's fucked up.


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Re: Talking about GUNS and DEPRESSING ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD [Re: Beege]
    #9313983 - 11/25/08 09:53 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

yes that's basically been my position the whole time, here's a quote of mine from earlier in the thread.

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yep. the sad truth is nukes exist... I'm not sure giving everyone else nukes is the answer. Although everyone would be too scared to do anything with theirs because the rest of the world would beat the shit out of them... but at that point all it would take is one unstable leader to send the world straight to hell. It would be a domino affect. One person uses theirs, other countries bomb the first, the climate goes to shit, bam nuclear winter and another ice-age, the human race dies off, and evolution begins anew.

Like a giant fucking red reset button next to a playing toddler.




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Re: Talking about GUNS and DEPRESSING ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD [Re: Stimpy913]
    #9314058 - 11/25/08 10:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Basicly even though im drunk, the beliefs i have staty the same.





People are so evily mislead that even the most morally responsible and respectable people are washed into protesting the rights of something 2nd or 3rdary before they are exposed to the issue at hand.


The issue right now is civilian rights.

Look  how deep it goes.


WTF cares about gay people getting married? I'll tell you who:

Homosexuals who want to bear children.  Other than that its just an attention sway by the multinational superpowers (MS)


If you aint a bitch, then even if you gay or straight you should look out for your fellow man's wellbeing. Quit uplifting irrelivent shit like that.


Now who the fuck cares a bout if this or that celebrity gets addicted to coke, becomes a whore, or becomes some anorexic phobic scared ass pussy because of what the media might do?


I'll tell u what these are problems that are involved in everyday people the same rate they are involved with celebrities, its just more publicicized with celebs and certain problems (heroine, crack, and murder addictions) can't be handed off to most celebs because someone just cant be famous with that shit.


Who the fuck cares if you're a certain religion?  I don't care if you're atheist, satanic, muslim, jew, or worship a giant dinosaur in the sun.    It doesn't matter to me. However if you try to prosecute me for Christ beliefs, I'll do what i can to shut you up. It aint about God at that point, its about freedom. All major religions believe in the same basic morals, so that means that any radical muslim, christian, jew, satanic, hindu, even maybe the agnostics and atheists are negated in reason just by fighting for their beliefs using any form of violence or deceitfull persuasion that they can't prove. It's all bullshit.


I need a vacation.

Do you think I will go to the coast without at least a .357 revolver?    I'll bring one with me. I got a whole family to protect, siblings, kids, cousins, aunts uncles, grandparents, etc... It's just the way it is.

Good chance nothing will ever happen to where i have to use my firearm in self defense, and that is why AMERICA IS SO FUCKIN AWESOME!.  Sure if i was a drug dealer, in a gang or w/e i'd have to keep a strap on me because any of these new young bucks could come up and pop a cap in my ass just to get 2 stripes on their arm and they'd never be prosecuted because the governmental interests are too limited between dumbfucks and cash retention.


So what? I am an American citizen, and see it only fit that i do my damn best to live the american dream. Fuck selling drugs, killing, robbing, any of that shit. Sure there's a huge market for it in this wonderfull country, but there's also a huge market for skipping past it and living relatively stress free.


I'd rather live with the stress of going bankrupt, than live with the stress of getting shot 30 times right in the ass. You know what? Living like a normal human being who's civilized, yet can still make a ton of money for themselves and their family is a great idea.  America is the best country. Kthx.


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Re: Talking about GUNS and DEPRESSING ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD [Re: Stimpy913]
    #9314112 - 11/25/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Talking about GUNS and DEPRESSING ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD [Re: Beege]
    #9314157 - 11/25/08 10:24 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Somethin real cool, is im' not even got a legit job, don't sell drugs or nothin either............ Yet i still have the income to pay for my house rental, and get a case of beer to get fucked up a few times a week. I love America. In fact, th is thread has reminded me that I need to go clean my guns. This way if a nigga pops in unnanounced totin some shit, I'll be able to gently, confidently let him back out the front door using only the force of some 12 guage buckshot.


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Re: Talking about GUNS and DEPRESSING ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD [Re: niteowl]
    #9315387 - 11/26/08 05:59 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Big_Whoop said:
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^Tasers are wonderful self defense tools, if not the best.




i hate you for that. have you ever been tased?

prove me wrong if you want.. i still think thats fucktarded.




And what the fuck does me being or not being tased have to do with anything? Who gives a fuck what it feels like if it stops an attacker, and with minimal damage at that. His own fault he got tased.

I am NOT talking about excessive and unnecessary use of tasers by police. I am talking about self defense from muggers, rapists etc

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So you're cool with Iran having nukes.




I would feel more secure if Iran had nukes than if it didn't. Would mean one less war to worry about, as the US would not attack them.

And seriously, if you think there is any chance whatsoever of a country using nuclear weapons on another country, you need a reality check. Nobody is that stupid, using a nuclear weapon on another country would mean instant annihilation of the country which used it. The only threat from nuclear weapons is if they got into the hands of terrorists.


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Re: Talking about GUNS and DEPRESSING ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD [Re: filthee]
    #9315437 - 11/26/08 06:31 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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id hate to see america lose its gun rights




so crazy guys like me can carry anyway :evil:


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Re: Talking about GUNS and DEPRESSING ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD [Re: ROX]
    #9315653 - 11/26/08 08:23 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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niteowl said:
So you're cool with Iran having nukes.




I would feel more secure if Iran had nukes than if it didn't. Would mean one less war to worry about, as the US would not attack them.

And seriously, if you think there is any chance whatsoever of a country using nuclear weapons on another country, you need a reality check. Nobody is that stupid, using a nuclear weapon on another country would mean instant annihilation of the country which used it. The only threat from nuclear weapons is if they got into the hands of terrorists.




I agree with you.

I think nukes are the ultimate peace treaty.


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Re: Talking about GUNS and DEPRESSING ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD [Re: ROX]
    #9315939 - 11/26/08 09:58 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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And what the fuck does me being or not being tased have to do with anything? 




1/3 of all people that get tased have to be treated at a
hospital, the UN has called for a ban on tasers because they
view them as torture devices, tasers do not work on every one
and will work on fewer people now

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/safety/taser+proof-gear-is-great-for-students-political-activists-criminals-318169.php


frankly, if you stand up to a couple shots in the chest and 2
more in the noggin from a .45, I'll let you rape, rob and
kill me... seems guns are still more effective


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Re: Talking about GUNS and DEPRESSING ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9316539 - 11/26/08 12:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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It's interesting that the "protection" argument is always being brought forth by people who not only own small handguns, but friggin AK-47 and M16 ASSAULT rifles (reread the first word. They aren't called "defense rifles" for a reason).
It's an unhealthy obsession with guns and violence. But what to expect from a people who have sent every generation to war, being told they were "protecting their freedom" when all they did was die for the interests of corporate America. Even in World War II this was the case, though the cause was admittedly noble. I recommend "Addicted to War"





SO yeah AKs and M16s and M1 Garands are can can be used as defensive weapons and here's how.

As usual one friday night I was hanging out in my buddies driveway drinking a few beers.  There were some "thugs" walking up and down the street peeping in car windows and we happened to notice them, so we sent one guy inside to grab a few peices suspecting that they were about to break into a car.  I'll be damned if they didn't smash a window and try to steal our neighbors car but we happened to be there and at least one of us was holding an AK.  Those guys got arrested and were found in posession of both handguns and crack.  The reason that we were able to detain them is because we were better armed.  so defensive use of the AK there ya go


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Re: Talking about GUNS and DEPRESSING ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD [Re: perosiste]
    #9316629 - 11/26/08 12:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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The reason that we were able to detain them is because we were better armed.  so defensive use of the AK there ya go




Any type of gun would have worked in that situation, be it a shotgun, rifle or a hand gun.


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