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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9319642 - 11/26/08 11:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Also, anise or licorice smelling BLG's are very rare.  I have never found one and I specialize in Gymnopilus.




WHAT!?!?

One out of every 10 or so of my luteos smell like anise slightly. Nothing as strong as the oysters around here though.


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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #9319734 - 11/27/08 12:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

BLG stands for Big Laughing Gym aka Gymnopilus spectabilis.  Gymnopilus luteus nearly always smells like anise or licorice.


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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9319738 - 11/27/08 12:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you for the tip - I'm still learning - I appreciate it.


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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: isosanity]
    #9319748 - 11/27/08 12:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm still learning too, and you're welcome.


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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9321291 - 11/27/08 11:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Oh, didn't notice it said BLG, thought it said Gym.


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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9321492 - 11/27/08 12:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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In order to dry mushrooms you need heat and some air exchange (unless you are freeze-drying).  The more heat, the less fresh air you need; the more fresh air (like a fan), the less heat you need.  Too much heat will degrade the psilocybin and psilocin.  Take it from there.

According to Stamets, Gymnopilus spectabilis vary quite a bit as far as active chemicals are concerned.  No one can tell you how potent they would be.  Also, anise or licorice smelling BLG's are very rare.  I have never found one and I specialize in Gymnopilus.




Dang, never found a sweet n' smelly Gym? The local ones I find are active and smell up a storm, and seem to otherwise match the classic G. junonius. Must be an East Coast US thing. Maybe there's a way I can send you a few "for scientific purposes" next season...:grin:

Good finds OP! I agree with Senor that the potency issue is a big question mark with the Gyms and I have no idea how my finds match up with the G. purpuratus on the Calculator. My sensitivity to substances makes it even more difficult to give advice on dosages, but I get a solid level 3 experience with 10-12 dry gram equivalents of fresh Gyms when I lack tolerance; 10-12 grams dried Gyms seems to give me a solid level 2. 20 grams dried/20 grams dried equiv. of fresh will likely give a level 3 and level 4 experience, respectively (I've yet to try).

I'm not certain how one "goes metric" with the experience scale, but I think of "high/low" level experiences. For example, a high level 2 bordered on a level 3, but didn't quite make it based on the quality of the visuals.


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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: N2loma]
    #9321527 - 11/27/08 12:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

damn 20 grams for a level 4? I can do it with 2 or 3 (according to the calculator) =p


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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: Beege]
    #9321546 - 11/27/08 12:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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damn 20 grams for a level 4? I can do it with 2 =p




yeah, I know you Psilo and Cope folks can, but I'm happy with my Gyms!  :fork:

The saving grace with Gyms is that they come in large clusters. If that weren't the case, my hopes would be for the arrival of the Ovoid or Unseasonable Cube Fairies.


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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: N2loma]
    #9321606 - 11/27/08 12:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

heh

still, it would be very cool to find some gyms (I never have before).

They grow on dead hardwoods right?


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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: Beege]
    #9321664 - 11/27/08 01:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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They grow on dead hardwoods right?




Yep.They grow on conifer as well.Some species of Gymnopilus even grow in soil.


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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: DannyGlick]
    #9321670 - 11/27/08 01:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well we've got some oaks around so next time it rains...  :shroompick:


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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: Beege]
    #9321897 - 11/27/08 02:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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heh

still, it would be very cool to find some gyms (I never have before).

They grow on dead hardwoods right?




there not as common ova here in FL, but i have found some growing from wood chips before, they were very small but i threw em in on a cube and cope tea.


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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: N2loma]
    #9321902 - 11/27/08 02:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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damn 20 grams for a level 4? I can do it with 2 =p




yeah, I know you Psilo and Cope folks can, but I'm happy with my Gyms!  :fork:

The saving grace with Gyms is that they come in large clusters. If that weren't the case, my hopes would be for the arrival of the Ovoid or Unseasonable Cube Fairies.




wait gyms bruise slightly somtimes, dosent that make them psilocybin?


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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: smokdatkush]
    #9321903 - 11/27/08 02:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think I remember hearing about that.

I think it's amazing that there is such a wide variety of these entheogenic mushrooms and you can basically find them anywhere there are human-beings.


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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: Beege]
    #9322620 - 11/27/08 05:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I dont know where does the anise smell thing come from, my gyms smell rancid, horrible, kind of like cat pee (not so strong) but they have an acid smell, mixed with old and worn socks and someting i dont know, but never want to eat.

they smelled kind of not-too-bad when fresh, now drying in heat they are getting on my nerves (and nose). i tried hanging them outside and they got more soggy and humid, i had to throw some. anyways i got some dry in kind of no-too-bad conditions, they turn darker, kind of black when they dont dry properly, and the ones i cut in peaces to dry better got all black and so. im wondering if thats the oxidation of psilocybin (i hope so)

here are some more pictures of them dry:


dont know whats wrong with my camera, they far away pictures get blurry (and yes, i change the macro thing)
anyways im planning on eating a lot of em tomorrow, i got 40g dried i think ill take 20 or 30g, ill do that or amanita muscaria. last week end i ate amanitas and got no effects.... i dont know what to eat this one.... got to say i never flipped with shrooms and i want to do it soon, BLG might be my solution.

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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: wood man]
    #9323229 - 11/27/08 07:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

a urine smell is a bad sign, it could mean your mushrooms are no longer edible. Especially if you hung them outside, that's just asking for trouble.


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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: N2loma]
    #9324001 - 11/27/08 10:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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In order to dry mushrooms you need heat and some air exchange (unless you are freeze-drying).  The more heat, the less fresh air you need; the more fresh air (like a fan), the less heat you need.  Too much heat will degrade the psilocybin and psilocin.  Take it from there.

According to Stamets, Gymnopilus spectabilis vary quite a bit as far as active chemicals are concerned.  No one can tell you how potent they would be.  Also, anise or licorice smelling BLG's are very rare.  I have never found one and I specialize in Gymnopilus.




Dang, never found a sweet n' smelly Gym? The local ones I find are active and smell up a storm, and seem to otherwise match the classic G. junonius. Must be an East Coast US thing. Maybe there's a way I can send you a few "for scientific purposes" next season...:grin:

Good finds OP! I agree with Senor that the potency issue is a big question mark with the Gyms and I have no idea how my finds match up with the G. purpuratus on the Calculator. My sensitivity to substances makes it even more difficult to give advice on dosages, but I get a solid level 3 experience with 10-12 dry gram equivalents of fresh Gyms when I lack tolerance; 10-12 grams dried Gyms seems to give me a solid level 2. 20 grams dried/20 grams dried equiv. of fresh will likely give a level 3 and level 4 experience, respectively (I've yet to try).

I'm not certain how one "goes metric" with the experience scale, but I think of "high/low" level experiences. For example, a high level 2 bordered on a level 3, but didn't quite make it based on the quality of the visuals.




Nope, never found one.  I would be interested in cross-checking your strain to see what, if any, differences there are.  In all the research Hesler did for the monograph there was exactly ONE collection that smelled strongly of licorice: Bigelow from New Hampshire 12254.  And Hesler studied dozens of collections from Maine to California and from Nova Scotia to North Carolina. 

I always preferred G. luteus to Gymnopilus spectabilis any day for potency.  And the name thing, G. junonius is really the synonym for G. spectabilis, not the other way around.  Two years ago Mycologia, the peer-reviewed journal for the United States used both names separately in an article two years ago.  The junonius thing is really more British, as is Index Fungorum.  As such, I don't accept it.


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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: wood man]
    #9324017 - 11/27/08 10:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Do as you will, mate, but I wouldn't eat those.  They look nasty and your description doesn't inspire confidence.  Good luck and be careful.


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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9327579 - 11/28/08 04:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Do as you will, mate, but I wouldn't eat those.  They look nasty and your description doesn't inspire confidence.  Good luck and be careful.




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Re: Gymnopilus spectabilis (big laughing gym) identification. [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9327725 - 11/28/08 04:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Do as you will, mate, but I wouldn't eat those.  They look nasty and your description doesn't inspire confidence.  Good luck and be careful.


i agree, those look:projectile:


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