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OfflineLoveShroomDearly
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blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah
    #9306526 - 11/24/08 07:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Which is more meaningful:

Science or Art?


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What I do not know now, I will know when the time is right...

This very moment is a shining expansion of the breathing universe,

This exploding sensation of complete tranquility,

The one, the all, the sweet bliss of tasting God.

---LoveShroomDearly a.k.a. LSD


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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: LoveShroomDearly]
    #9306540 - 11/24/08 07:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Science is an art.


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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: LoveShroomDearly]
    #9306573 - 11/24/08 07:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Which made shrooms available for home cultivation?


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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9306594 - 11/24/08 07:51 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Which made shrooms meaningful enough to be worth cultivating?  :tongue:


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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: deCypher]
    #9306661 - 11/24/08 08:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Don't start! I am not in the mood. :nonono:


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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: LoveShroomDearly]
    #9307000 - 11/24/08 08:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I dont really know what you mean by meaningful...  I think each are manifestations of two core aspects to our consciousness, rationality and creativity.  Each is beneficial to different (but not necessarily exclusive) aspects of our life. 

In short, science increases your life span and feeds you while art fulfills and enriches your long life.  In this sense, science is a prerequisite to art.  To paraphrase pink floyd, "If you dont practice science, you cant make any art!  How can you have any art if you dont practice science?"


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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: DieCommie]
    #9307220 - 11/24/08 09:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

each piece of art has to be taken on its own.
each single piece can be very meaningful

each piece of science has to dovetail with other science.
the aggregate of all science is one piece of art that is much more meaningful than any other art.

however,

science does not stand on its own and make you go wow as easily as a piece of art does.
one has to really work to understand science, where as most art becomes meaningful more immediately than most science.


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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9307235 - 11/24/08 09:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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science does not stand on its own and make you go wow as easily as a piece of art does.




Science doesnt, but nature (which science describes) certainly does.  To me at least, the beauty in nature and natural law overshadows any creation of man (so far).


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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: DieCommie]
    #9308242 - 11/24/08 11:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

"science" was actually supposed to be one of those four letter words; so that the reference of this abstract "science", this is progress for progress's sake (see "fuck")

I think it is possibly unhealthy to get a boner over science, and exponentially so if your an effective one.

(I had to add it)


This is an overly complex dichotomy, that makes little sense in terms of experience. What commie said makes more sense to me, but even a simple intuitive vs rationale is limited to abstraction.


The way I see it is classical vs romantic thinking, which is maybe in between. We are all artists, but we tend to either lean one way or the other.

Theres usually a pretty percievable difference between a classical and a jazz musician, but its not absolute. If you want to know my bias in this though, Coltranes my hero, and he is the epitome of humanity. A classicist does not wail his heart out, it is nothing like that. I'm big into Igor Stravinsky too, but (he) is more epic, even immanent. Classical music is a vast and sweeping reality (see fantasia).

Coltrane is transcendental, stravinsky is immanent?

Heh, maybe the only point I am making is that the op seems to be asking for preferences. Arguing over intuitive or rational as if one is going to win is pretty fruitless.


Edited by daytripper23 (11/25/08 01:05 AM)


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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: daytripper23]
    #9308327 - 11/24/08 11:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I initially typed that whole thing up on my ipod; and I only meant to say one thing. This place can be addicting  :blowupie:


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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: daytripper23]
    #9308400 - 11/24/08 11:52 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Art tries to recreate nature through senses and emotions.

Science tries to recreate nature through concepts and symbols.

The meaning is in the nature that they are creating, in the nature that they expose to our consciousness.


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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: DieCommie]
    #9308411 - 11/24/08 11:55 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

  In this sense, science is a prerequisite to art.  To paraphrase pink floyd, "If you dont practice science, you cant make any art!  How can you have any art if you dont practice science?"





That is, in a reductive sense...Welcome to the Machine
:tongue:

Someone doesn't necessarily have to exist in terms of principals and laws, even if he "exists" in this matrix.


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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: DieCommie]
    #9309347 - 11/25/08 08:11 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

To me at least, the beauty in nature and natural law overshadows any creation of man (so far).


:)


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: LoveShroomDearly]
    #9309491 - 11/25/08 08:56 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

LoveShroomDearly said:
Which is more meaningful:

Science or Art?




Your question doe not make any sense at all.

Meaning? WTF are you saying? You give things meaning and it's completely subjective.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: Icelander]
    #9310730 - 11/25/08 01:10 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

"Simplicity breeds creation," she cried,

  "whether it be suspended animation or Picasso's portrait of Igor Stravinsky."

                Meaning is purely subjective

when

attracted to intellect
but
  amazingly intrinsic when dan ci n g  with colors.

              Icelander's beaker is filled with logical thought.
      But Noteworthy is seen with a cigar and a brush.


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This very moment is a shining expansion of the breathing universe,

This exploding sensation of complete tranquility,

The one, the all, the sweet bliss of tasting God.

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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: LoveShroomDearly]
    #9310754 - 11/25/08 01:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

  Icelander's beaker is filled with logical thought.

I appreciate the compliment. I wish it were more so.

My dreams however are fully fluid. I try to keep them apart for safeties sake.


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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: LoveShroomDearly]
    #9311171 - 11/25/08 02:30 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

LoveShroomDearly said:

      But Noteworthy is seen with a cigar and a brush.




wish i knew what that meant

i have funny images in my head though


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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: LoveShroomDearly]
    #9311187 - 11/25/08 02:34 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The answer to your question depends entirely on the individual.


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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: LoveShroomDearly]
    #9311659 - 11/25/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Neither is inherently more meaningful.


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Re: blah, blah, blah --- The Scientific Method --- blah, blah, blah [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9311725 - 11/25/08 03:56 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
each piece of art has to be taken on its own.
each single piece can be very meaningful





Dangerous ground....some art viewed outside its context, ouevre or the movement that produced it makes little sense, or has its meaning diminished. (Im a musician but Im sure this can aplly to visual art too.)

"the aggregate of all science is one piece of art that is much more meaningful than any other art."
Id also be intrugued to know what you actually mean by this.

Art is peculiarly human. Science in its true form should be universal, removed from human angle, right?Despite being a product of the human race.


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