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ID request please. subbs?
    #9305568 - 11/24/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Habitat:
front lawn. typical grass...dogs poop in it all the time.

Gills:
medium brown, feathered. see pics

Stem:
hollow i believe? pale w/ tan lines running up

Cap:
anywhere from .5" to 1" dark ring outer, tan center.

Spore print color:
waiting on prints. will get back tomorrow

Bruising:
not noticable if there is any. bad lighting

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pics below. i believe they are subbs, found about 14 in clusters in my lawn. prints tomorrow



my harvest


stems


1st card


2nd card


3rd card


4th card

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: thebergshroomers]
    #9305826 - 11/24/08 06:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: thebergshroomers]
    #9305918 - 11/24/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Berg, always keep the stems next to the corresponding cap.  Otherwise, when half of the spore prints are black and half are brown (let's say), you'll know which of the stems belongs to which species.

You'll have to wait for the spore print. 


*compliments of Gumby*


Also, don't store mushrooms in plastic bags, it may speed up the degradation of the mushroom, and lead to rot.  Always use paper bags.


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: CureCat]
    #9305975 - 11/24/08 06:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)



Subb left, foe right.

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: vc77]
    #9306025 - 11/24/08 06:40 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The colours are pretty off in that photo.  The mushrooms look pink!


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: CureCat]
    #9306125 - 11/24/08 06:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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CureCat said:
The colours are pretty...




Yes, I think so too.  :grin:

The spore print looks like it will be black but that may not tell us they are Subbs.  The caps look a little like P. fimicola to me.  Then again, I have these on my mind due to my IDed find.


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9306150 - 11/24/08 06:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

what are these "P. fimicola" u speak of?

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: thebergshroomers]
    #9306186 - 11/24/08 06:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9306469 - 11/24/08 07:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

damn I didnt know there were so many lookalikes for the paneolus subbalteatus mushroom...I know of the pan foe but thats it...
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Great find though....dont give up pan subbs are out there!
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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: thebergshroomers]
    #9306897 - 11/24/08 08:29 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Those are Panaeolina foenisecii.  There are no Panaeolus species that have brown gills at maturity.

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9307149 - 11/24/08 08:59 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

That's what gave it away for me. Aside from the stipe, caps, ever-so obvious habitat.

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9307332 - 11/24/08 09:18 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

so ur sayin they are nothin and i might as well throw em away? and wut if after i print them the prints are jet black???

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: thebergshroomers]
    #9307521 - 11/24/08 09:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

If they were jet black, that would mean you have some species of Panaeolus, though not all are active.


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: CureCat]
    #9307818 - 11/24/08 10:09 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Also, it looks to me from your photographs that the mushrooms you found have gills that hang below the rim of the cap. Subs shouldn't do that.

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: JamesChappy]
    #9308233 - 11/24/08 11:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

My favorite link for IDing Subs: HERE

It does a GREAT job of explaining the difference between subs and foes.

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: JamesChappy]
    #9308303 - 11/24/08 11:19 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

so u think they are foes then? shit... lol i had my hopes up

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: thebergshroomers]
    #9308338 - 11/24/08 11:31 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

thebergshroomers, check your private messages. I sent you two that you really need to read.

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: JamesChappy]
    #9308352 - 11/24/08 11:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, and thebergshroomers, you've got quite a few horse ranches around where you live. Try looking for them in the horse shit. From what I understand you'll want to wait till the weather warms up a bit though... Above 50F at night and they start fruiting, according to the faqs I've seen.

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: JamesChappy]
    #9312217 - 11/25/08 05:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

what color were the prints?


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: lowbrow]
    #9314683 - 11/26/08 12:22 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

thanks for reminding me! i woulda forgot to check. the prints are F-ig black as the night!!!!!!!! wow. will upload pics this is crazy

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: thebergshroomers]
    #9314807 - 11/26/08 12:49 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

ok here are all the prints. cards are labeled. i know which shrooms correspond to which prints. not all are black, but some are. what do u guys think??























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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: thebergshroomers]
    #9315019 - 11/26/08 01:32 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

You definitely have some species of Panaeolus, though I'm not sure whether any are P. subbalteatus (=P. cinctulus).  Some of the top prints look a bit brown but it is really hard to tell with the (poor) lighting.

Luckily, no species of Panaeolus are poisonous.  Though eating large quantities of some might cause GI upset (or vomiting or diarhea).


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: CureCat]
    #9315124 - 11/26/08 02:15 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

As I suspected, those are Panaeolus fimicola.  I can verify it with microscopy if he is interested.  For one thing, it is their season.


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9315308 - 11/26/08 04:39 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

It could be, but with macroscopic variation within a species and many very similar looking species, I would stop short and just call it Panaeolus sp.:ohwell:


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: CureCat]
    #9315700 - 11/26/08 08:42 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

thanks for the help guys. so could they be anything active then?

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: thebergshroomers]
    #9315809 - 11/26/08 09:14 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

could be, I've found those lawn pans can getcha!

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: thebergshroomers]
    #9316730 - 11/26/08 12:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yup, they might be.  But you will need a lot more to feel the effects.


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: CureCat]
    #9316872 - 11/26/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I'm a big fan of the panaeolus genus =)

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Beege]
    #9317768 - 11/26/08 04:19 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

im storing em in a wendys paper bag lol cuz i dont have brown bags. how long will they last in there before becoming unedible?

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: thebergshroomers]
    #9317776 - 11/26/08 04:20 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

are they dried?


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Beege]
    #9317942 - 11/26/08 04:48 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

they are now, i pulled em out of plastic baggies front printing last night and theyve been in the paper bag since then.

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: thebergshroomers]
    #9317984 - 11/26/08 04:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

? you printed them after they were dry?


how did you dry them?


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Beege]
    #9317998 - 11/26/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

no i printed them overnight right after i picked them (2 days ago). then took em off the prints and let them dry overnight in the paper bag

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: thebergshroomers]
    #9318011 - 11/26/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

you shouldn't dry them -in- something. I have doubts as to there edibility right now. You should have left them spread out on paper under or beside a fan at least.


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Beege]
    #9318038 - 11/26/08 05:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

why is that? and its not like it was airtight, just an open wendys bag

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: thebergshroomers]
    #9318044 - 11/26/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

when stored without moving air there's nowhere for that 90% water to go as fast so it takes longer for the mushrooms to dry and therefore provides more opportunities for rotting to occur.

Probably should have done your homework on that one.


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Beege]
    #9318079 - 11/26/08 05:09 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

ok well this is only like my 2nd find im not all pro like u so calm down. ill learn this shit as time goes on. im sure this wont be my only mistake. as long as i make sure i know every little detail before i consume ill be fine

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: thebergshroomers]
    #9318083 - 11/26/08 05:10 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

who isn't calm?


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Beege]
    #9318096 - 11/26/08 05:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

idk. oh well. even if this batch fails, theres a lot more out in my yard still maturing so im sure ill have plenty more to come and each time ill do it better

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: thebergshroomers]
    #9318103 - 11/26/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

just smell them first and get them out of that bag, I'm guessing they aren't entirely dry yet. When they're fully dry they should snap like crackers.

And I kind of doubt they're active anyway, it's not really sub season.


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Beege]
    #9318122 - 11/26/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

yeah i dont think they are subs but im thinkin they might be Panaeolus fimicola. which are a little bit active. k so i took em outta the bag, ur right, not quite dry. i laid em out on a sheet of paper and have a heat fan on them (like a small room heater thingy). that ok?

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Beege]
    #9318123 - 11/26/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

yah, you always want to dry fast, like under a fan,
nothing much worse than food poisoning while tripping

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #9318129 - 11/26/08 05:18 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I try to avoid heat while dealing with active mushrooms.


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Beege]
    #9318138 - 11/26/08 05:20 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

hmmm ok. well i dont have anoter fan so ill just let them sit in open air tonight

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: thebergshroomers]
    #9321032 - 11/27/08 06:48 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

"Subs" = Psilocybe subaeruginosa

"Subbs" = Panaeolus subbalteatus (=P. cinctulus)

Two different mushrooms with similar common names.

Subbs are REALLY tiny mushrooms, and although it may not be ideal, they are still edible if dried in a bag within the past 2-3 days and haven't been piled on top of one another.  I know from experience.  That 90% water isn't much for these little mushrooms.


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: CureCat]
    #9321045 - 11/27/08 06:56 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

And these:







Just trying to help.

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9334868 - 11/29/08 11:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

alright so i just ate all the ones pictured above. altough they were dried and about the size of peas. only one was about dime size. i have yet to feel something. but then again i did only eat them 10 mins ago. how long do they take to get in ur system?

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    #9334992 - 11/29/08 11:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Well, it has been about 30 minutes now, so IF they are active, and IF you ate enough, you should start feeling the effects any time now.

I ate somewhere between 40-60 dried Panaeolus subbalteatus (confirmed ID) once and just barely felt the effects.

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Yup, they might be.  But you will need a lot more to feel the effects.




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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: CureCat]
    #9335129 - 11/30/08 12:28 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

thebergshroomers, feel anything yet? Your non responsiveness is holding me in suspense.

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: JamesChappy]
    #9336026 - 11/30/08 06:35 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I guessing no.  Panaeolus subbalteatus can be mildly active, P. fimicola are even less so.


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9336071 - 11/30/08 07:11 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

paneolus fimicola is active in my opinion same as subb but you find 1 out of 1000 subballteatus sometimes i find only 10 or 5  or this ones if they really are fimicola ..that`s another


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: cactu]
    #9336144 - 11/30/08 07:54 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, P. fimicola are active, although according to my references only slightly so.  Are you saying at times they are moderately active?  If so, is that personal experience or a reference?


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9336158 - 11/30/08 08:05 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Well, whatever the case he'll get his dose of 5htp.


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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: TsalagiSpirit]
    #9336175 - 11/30/08 08:18 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

well i have seem some fimicola blue  but is more difficult to see because in my experience  they have more slight silver reddish stem and make difficult to see it , but in the mycelium is more evident unfortunately i don't have a picture .


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cuando una rafaga del pensamiento nos pasa  al lado se puede sentir  que valio  la pena  haber vivido, y cuando ese pensamiento se  convierte en sueño no paramos de soñar hasta realizarlo

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: cactu]
    #9336568 - 11/30/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

hey guys sry i didnt get back on last night. i really didnt feel much but i suspect thats cuz i didnt have nearly enough. either that or they werent active. i felt a tiny bit of something, cant really explain what but it was so slight that im not sure if it was the shrooms or merely a state of mind from the placebo effect

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Re: ID request please. subbs? [Re: vc77]
    #9336813 - 11/30/08 11:39 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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vc77 said:


Subb left, foe right.




My god. please dont ever use this photo of mine for comparison. Its horrible!

these may be better.

Foes


Subbs

The subbs are just distinctly meaty.

Nice pans though! fimicola for sure? I gota put that on my look alike guide.

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