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Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002
    #930539 - 10/04/02 02:16 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I was flippping through the myrad of crap channels I pirate, and saw this huge green pot leaf on a tan background - of course I stopped - In huge red letters a brief message was delivered in silence, telling of the NYS MRP (Marajuana Reform Party) That has gotten it's self - albiet after 3 tries, on the Governers Ballot this Nov- 2002 Election-

Interested, I found thier website, and read what they had to say - I'll leave you the Cliff Notes version:

Founded in 19997 by Thomas Leighton - he and a few hardy folk wnted to put an end to the sensless imprisionment of non-violent - small time Marajuana users. I C&P'ed this which was of particular interest:

May 1, 2001 NYC and Internet: Today the Marijuana Reform Party of New York launched it's new web site: "http://www.MarijuanaReform.org". www.MarijuanaReform.org features a special report about Rudy Giuliani's intense war on non-violent marijuana smokers. The report clearly proves that the reverse stings routinely used to bust citizens for small quantities of marijuana by the NYPD are illegal in New York State.

The site also contains the nuts and bolts of the party and it's goals, with useful information and abundant resources for old and new members. ....
It continues:...
- The most unique item on the site is the report titled "Rudy's Reefer Madness," an expose of the on-going crack down on low-level, non-violent marijuana users in New York City. Such an in-depth analysis of the marijuana scene in New York City has not previously been available to the media or to the public. ... - In addition, due to a new Federal law, many New York City students may be denied their college financial aid as a result of the explosive growth in the numbers of minor marijuana arrests. The report also shows that the overwhelming majority of people arrested for misdemeanor marijuana offenses are black or Hispanic, while almost half of the arrests are of people under the age of 25.

At a time when the mayor is waging an all out war on marijuana, Governor Pataki has also recently advocated increasing penalties for minor, non-violent marijuana offenses, a bizarre proposal given that it is coupled with reducing mandatory sentences for cocaine and heroin. In the coming months, the MRP will mobilize its members to resist such sentencing increases for marijuana, and to point out the hypocrisy of Governor Pataki, a former marijuana user, calling for increased penalties for marijuana.

So, instead of saying :Aww shit, thats fucked up" and leaving it at that - I decided to become a Member.
I am now creating graphics / newsletters etc - gratis  - to the MRP in hopes that the Mesage will get out.

On Nov 5th , not only will I turn 29, but I will vote for Leighton for Gov - knowing he wont win - but standing up to be counted (and be put on the list for Jury Duty  :confused:)
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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Anonymous]
    #930709 - 10/04/02 03:17 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

NYS?

NYC!


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #930727 - 10/04/02 03:20 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Please check your Facts before an attempt at being clever.
Thank You.
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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Anonymous]
    #930808 - 10/04/02 03:50 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

:confused:


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Anonymous]
    #931037 - 10/04/02 05:15 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I would love to read the bill proposed, I think that its got to be better than the Nevada one. New York of all places is where I see the legel forefront of Marijuana legelization takeing place, California a close second. Its good to see some things moving soo quickly.

>>>>> a bizarre proposal given that it is coupled with reducing mandatory sentences for cocaine and heroin. <<<<<

Never be critical of any Mandatory Minimum reduction acts... Mandatory Minimums put me in jail for 4 months for a gram of hash and they continue to rip apart families around the nation.


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Anonymous]
    #931201 - 10/04/02 06:31 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

new york STATE!

just figured it out....


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: GabbaDj]
    #931223 - 10/04/02 06:55 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry to hear you were, in essence  a 'political prisioner' . Another cog in the machine built upon the 'Industry' of incarcerating the 'Drug Users' - I feel so bad each time I hear that . My heart goes out to you and your Family for having been put through that.

I hope that the Big City/States like CA, NYand FLA stand up, and try to get this type of Proposal passed Take the Drug Money out of the Criminals hand - Shit we could pay for some of the research needed to actually make 'Eco-Cars' a reality with 1 yrs revenue from legal Pot sales - That's what I call 'contributing' too the War Effort - getting off the Tit of Oil!

But on a serious note ,  I read that there are some  200,000 non violent offenders in jail for petty drug crimes, such as the kind you were caught up in - This is atrocious.

The So Called 'Leader of the Free World' is making a big bulk of its Income off the blood of its Citizens.  :mad:
I will be in line Nov 5th to cast my Vote- I hope everyone that can, will do the same.
Get invloved, or nothing will change.
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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Anonymous]
    #931396 - 10/04/02 10:21 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Marijuana Reform Party? what a joke. these guys have NO platform whatsoever. they should just team up with the Libertarian Party, because they want the same thing, they just actually have solutions for other problems as well.
anyone who votes Marijuana Reform Party is a fool.


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #931414 - 10/04/02 10:40 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

libertarian party of NY - http://www.ny.lp.org/issues/

libertarian party USA - http://www.lp.org/issues/

but specifically, their position on drugs....
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The Libertarian Party asks:
SHOULD WE RE-LEGALIZE DRUGS?


Should We Re-Legalize Drugs?
Libertarians, like most Americans, demand to be safe at home and on the streets. Libertarians would like all Americans to be healthy and free of drug dependence. But drug laws don't help, they make things worse.

The professional politicians scramble to make names for themselves as tough anti-drug warriors, while the experts agree that the "war on drugs" has been lost, and could never be won. The tragic victims of that war are your personal liberty and its companion, responsibility. It's time to consider the re-legalization of drugs.

The Lessons of Prohibition
In the 1920's, alcohol was made illegal by Prohibition. The result: Organized Crime. Criminals jumped at the chance to supply the demand for liquor. The streets became battlegrounds. The criminals bought off law enforcement and judges. Adulterated booze blinded and killed people. Civil rights were trampled in the hopeless attempt to keep people from drinking.

When the American people saw what Prohibition was doing to them, they supported its repeal. When they succeeded, most states legalized liquor and the criminal gangs were out of the liquor business.

Today's war on drugs is a re-run of Prohibition. Approximately 40 million Americans are occasional, peaceful users of some illegal drug who are no threat to anyone. They are not going to stop. The laws don't, and can't, stop drug use.

Organized Crime Profits
Whenever there is a great demand for a product and government makes it illegal, a black market always appears to supply the demand. The price of the product rises dramatically and the opportunity for huge profits is obvious. The criminal gangs love the situation, making millions. They kill other drug dealers, along with innocent people caught in the crossfire, to protect their territory. They corrupt police and courts. Pushers sell adulterated dope and experimental drugs, causing injury and death. And because drugs are illegal, their victims have no recourse.

Crime Increases
Half the cost of law enforcement and prisons is squandered on drug related crime. Of all drug users, a relative few are addicts who commit crimes daily to supply artificially expensive habits. They are the robbers, car thieves and burglars who make our homes and streets unsafe.

An American Police State
Civil liberties suffer. We are all "suspects", subject to random urine tests, highway check points and spying into our personal finances. Your property can be seized without trial, if the police merely claim you got it with drug profits. Doing business with cash makes you a suspect. America is becoming a police state because of the war on drugs.

America Can Handle Legal Drugs
Today's illegal drugs were legal before 1914. Cocaine was even found in the original Coca-Cola recipe. Americans had few problems with cocaine, opium, heroin or marijuana. Drugs were inexpensive; crime was low. Most users handled their drug of choice and lived normal, productive lives. Addicts out of control were a tiny minority.

The first laws prohibiting drugs were racist in origin -- to prevent Chinese laborers from using opium and to prevent blacks and Hispanics from using cocaine and marijuana. That was unjust and unfair, just as it is unjust and unfair to make criminals of peaceful drug users today.

Some Americans will always use alcohol, tobacco, marijuana or other drugs. Most are not addicts, they are social drinkers or occasional users. Legal drugs would be inexpensive, so even addicts could support their habits with honest work, rather than by crime. Organized crime would be deprived of its profits. The police could return to protecting us from real criminals; and there would be room enough in existing prisons for them.

Try Personal Responsibility
It's time to re-legalize drugs and let people take responsibility for themselves. Drug abuse is a tragedy and a sickness. Criminal laws only drive the problem underground and put money in the pockets of the criminal class. With drugs legal, compassionate people could do more to educate and rehabilitate drug users who seek help. Drugs should be legal. Individuals have the right to decide for themselves what to put in their bodies, so long as they take responsibility for their actions.

From the Mayor of Baltimore, Kurt Schmoke, to conservative writer and TV personality, William F. Buckley, Jr., leading Americans are now calling for repeal of America's repressive and ineffective drug laws. The Libertarian Party urges you to join in this effort to make our streets safer and our liberties more secure.

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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #931746 - 10/04/02 01:43 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

the same thing was a problem with the green party, lots of potheads voted for nader because they wanted legal pot, but nader didn't really have a platform for anything other than pot and protecting the environment and consumers. he wasn't fit to be president. and anyone who runs for office in new york on the single platform of legalizing pot isn't fit for any office...
the fact that the MRP even exists is stupid. their side of the issue that they rest their whole existence on is already supported by other parties


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #934088 - 10/05/02 10:37 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

well, I'm glad to see that no one has a damn thing to say.


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: VSOPXO]
    #934372 - 10/05/02 01:29 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

did I say anything about bush??

he's not fit to run the cash register at GoodWill


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #935605 - 10/06/02 12:52 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

well, I'm glad to see that no one has a damn thing to say.
I think no one wants to engage a pompous ass of a puppet like yourself.

I however have already stated my Opinon, and it is just as valid as Yours. MRP has a 'core' Stance - that has multiple facets - affecting hundreds of thousands of People in my State/Country - No, we are not talking about solving World Hunger, but Familes are being torn apart needlessly. I for one, do not think their are working for naught.

If you are interested in reviewing their ENTIRE platform, please visit their website, Im sure you will be able to find it by using the standard search methods.
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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Anonymous]
    #936857 - 10/06/02 05:36 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I visited their website.
I found no extended platform of any kind.
mind directing me to it?


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #937989 - 10/07/02 12:27 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

I think no one wants to engage a pompous ass of a puppet like yourself.
 


Damn,this is the first time I've seen OoD talking shit,I'm glad I came the Political Discussion. :laugh: 


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: VSOPXO]
    #938630 - 10/07/02 07:13 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

well, too bad she assumes everyone who is a "pompous ass" is a puppet.


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #944199 - 10/08/02 11:29 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Not for me, I like this side of her  :laugh:


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Anonymous]
    #944318 - 10/09/02 01:35 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I think no one wants to engage a pompous ass of a puppet like yourself.

:grin:


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #944320 - 10/09/02 01:37 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I love ya Albino you pompous ass you!
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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #944350 - 10/09/02 02:25 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

well, too bad she assumes everyone who is a "pompous ass" is a puppet.

I am sorry. Allow me to clarify.
You ARE are Pompous Ass for calling anyone who agrees with this stance a Fool. I was only making a Statement, not proselytizing.

You ARE a **Puppet for having aquired 380 Posts since Septenber 14th, not even a Month as of this Post.
-OoD

** Of course you could just be a Post Whore, but this still allows for your being a pompous ass.


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Anonymous]
    #944360 - 10/09/02 02:33 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Well said delphi.

For some reason there seems to be a majority of right-wingers here. Seeing as they're the people who made mushrooms illegal in the first place by cracking down on the left-inspired movements of the sixties I find it bizarre to say the least. They support the policies of those like Nixon and Dubya who would like nothing better than to see drug users rounded up and placed in concentration camps.

Perhaps they just don't know any better.


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Xlea321]
    #944369 - 10/09/02 02:46 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Thank You Alex. I tend to agree with you on some level.

I am Liberal, in the capacity that I believe everyone has the Right to express their beliefs. Even if they conflict with my own.
I take offense when a Idea is presented, and then shat upon by tight minded individuals, who think its chic to piss and moan about how "Liberals" are responsible for all things bad. Waving the Banner of Truth, Justice and the American Way (As long as it fits in with Their Agenda)
To this Person, I ask, "What Have You done to contribute to the Cause You Stand for? "

I do hope it is more than post on an anonymous Bulletin Board.
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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Anonymous]
    #949410 - 10/10/02 12:51 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I could really care less if you think I'm a pompous ass. but I'm neither a puppet nor a post whore.
post whores post about anything they can just to increase their post count.
90% of my posts are relevant to a non-retarded thread, usually something of interest to me. I acquired a lot of posts by actually engaging in active conversations with people.
there's a difference between being a post whore and having a lot to say.

you still haven't showed me an extended platform.
and anyone who supports MRP IS a fool because they're taking away votes from parties who have their shit together and already support their apparently single cause

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most people on this board think of this in terms of
right = republicans
left = democrats
but both of these parties are crappy perversions of the right/left concept and they might as well both be called "moderate"

what do 'right' and 'left' mean to you?

right = fascism, left = communism. neither of these systems are any better than the other, one doesn't work, the other just sucks. one is collective control, one is control by a single person. but the libertarian party doesn't fit into either of these. it's not about control. it's about a lack of control, it's about freedom. a lot of people put the libertarian party on the 'right' side, though I don't think it belongs there. it's the most 'laissez faire' party in the u.s.

and I don't see anyone bitching about how ""Liberals" are responsible for all things bad. "
the entire voting population in this country is responsible for all things bad here. most people today want the same thing- freedom for everyone to live any way they want without hurting or being hurt by others. that's what the libertarian party advocates. MRP advocates legal weed. whoopty doo. where's their solutions for everything else?


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Anonymous]
    #949549 - 10/10/02 01:43 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry OD, I see no mention of a further platform than legalizing marijuana and those cruel mandatory sentencing laws and property forfeiture laws relating to it.

I see little reason to extend the political partys when the Libertarian party supports legalization of ALL drugs, as well as removing those draconian laws.

I would like to be voting in NY though, I'd like to see that pot leaf on the ballot. :wink: 


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #950692 - 10/10/02 08:25 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

what do 'right' and 'left' mean to you?
Im sure very diffrent than what they mean to You. And I respect your right to disagree with me.

and anyone who supports MRP IS a fool because they're taking away votes from parties who have their shit together and already support their apparently single cause
-I beleive I said earlier :
No, we are not talking about solving World Hunger, but Familes are being torn apart needlessly... - If you add up all the ramifications of these arcane laws, the Cause is Singular with many Facets. -. I have been following the NYS ONLY gubenatorial debates because they are the only ones I can particiapte in - Hence, the MRP is the ONLY party advocating the positions afore mentioned. I was not aware that there was a "Liberal' on the Ballot for NYS Govenor, which is why I took an interst in MRP.

I could really care less if you think I'm a pompous ass. but I'm neither a puppet nor a post whore.
- I apoloigize for those hasty words, it is not like me. I hope we can put it behind us.

Hey! - I think I just broke my PD Cherry. :laugh:
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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Anonymous]
    #952112 - 10/11/02 07:39 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

No, we are not talking about solving World Hunger, but Familes are being torn apart needlessly... - If you add up all the ramifications of these arcane laws, the Cause is Singular with many Facets.





but there is a party, maybe more than one, who support the singular-but-many-faceted cause along with 50 other singular-but-many-faceted causes. there's a lot more to do as a governor, or in almost any political office, than take care of one issue.


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #952161 - 10/11/02 07:57 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

but there is a party, maybe more than one, who support the singular-but-many-faceted cause along with 50 other singular-but-many-faceted causes. there's a lot more to do as a governor, or in almost any political office, than take care of one issue.
I am glad you brought his post up to my attention again :

Sunday Oct. 13
Tom Leighton will participate in the first of two televised gubernatorial "debates" this Sunday on ABC TV at 11 AM for 90 minutes.  All 7 candidates will be there.  Check your local ABC affiliate for your area.

I agree - Pot is not the ONLY reason to vote for a Candidate - BUT I have been hearing how the New Govener is going to help rebuild schools, and clean up Crime - and each year IQ's drop and crime rates go up - Id just like to see something that can actually be done , get some attention -
I'm a firm believer that Schoolin' should be handled in the home first, Parents teaching basic manners, ettiquette and such, to prepare the Kid for the Real Word Setting of a Classroom and it would solve future crime/education problems - School is NOT the place to learn how to be a Human Being - thats what Parents are for - When They figure this out it will free up a lot of  Time, leaving the rest of us to smoke a relaxing legal spliff  :grin: -OoD

   


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Anonymous]
    #952192 - 10/11/02 08:07 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I'm a firm believer that Schoolin' should be handled in the home first, Parents teaching basic manners, ettiquette and such, to prepare the Kid for the Real Word Setting of a Classroom and it would solve future crime/education problems - School is NOT the place to learn how to be a Human Being - thats what Parents are for -

Damn skippy! If only more people thought the same.

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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Phred]
    #952215 - 10/11/02 08:15 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Its surprising how many people think that that opinion is 'wrong' - /me shrugs.


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Re: Marijuana Reform Party of NYS 2002 [Re: Anonymous]
    #952259 - 10/11/02 08:26 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

then this guy needs to extend his official platform to include ALL the issues he is concerned about.


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