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Jufin



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Ironic Machinery
#9293785 - 11/22/08 07:34 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been having this thought recently.
In regards to the whole 'man creates machine, machine turns on man and destroys them' idea, computers in the near future will apparently be as complex as the human brain. So it seems a possibility that they could develop their own thoughts, or 'free will.' Now look at nature.
Animals are driven completely by instinct and lack free will, 'programmed' you could say. For example, cats are 'programmed' to clean themselves, hunt for food, sleep most of the time etc. But we humans have somehow developed a self awareness that all other animals haven't, due to evolution I believe.
It seems so ironic that the exact same thing could happen with machines that WE build. It just makes me think that something built us, and that we were meant to see this irony to understand something more about life.
If I was tripping I could of written this a lot better and in more detail .
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Re: Ironic Machinery [Re: Jufin]
#9294034 - 11/22/08 08:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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For all we know we could be a computer program right now and we wouldn't know it
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Re: Ironic Machinery [Re: jvm]
#9295183 - 11/23/08 12:40 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its mindblowing
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Re: Ironic Machinery [Re: Jufin]
#9295574 - 11/23/08 02:00 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jufin said: I've been having this thought recently.
In regards to the whole 'man creates machine, machine turns on man and destroys them' idea, computers in the near future will apparently be as complex as the human brain. So it seems a possibility that they could develop their own thoughts, or 'free will.' Now look at nature.
Animals are driven completely by instinct and lack free will, 'programmed' you could say. For example, cats are 'programmed' to clean themselves, hunt for food, sleep most of the time etc. But we humans have somehow developed a self awareness that all other animals haven't, due to evolution I believe.
It seems so ironic that the exact same thing could happen with machines that WE build. It just makes me think that something built us, and that we were meant to see this irony to understand something more about life.
If I was tripping I could of written this a lot better and in more detail .
This is why i think humans are so self centered.
Why do you/others think we are any different than those animals. We are also just programmed organisms.
The only difference is our DNA and program are suited to take advantage of this planet better than other organisms.
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Dont animals have free will? Some people say that free will means the ability to overcome primitive urges. But I think that humans cannot overcome their primitive urges, they can only abstract them into different paths of action.
animals can do this too, just to a much less insightful degree.
they are still free, but their options are limited by their imaginations, which humans most likely reign supreme in
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Quote:
drunkenlawngnome said:
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Jufin said: I've been having this thought recently.
In regards to the whole 'man creates machine, machine turns on man and destroys them' idea, computers in the near future will apparently be as complex as the human brain. So it seems a possibility that they could develop their own thoughts, or 'free will.' Now look at nature.
Animals are driven completely by instinct and lack free will, 'programmed' you could say. For example, cats are 'programmed' to clean themselves, hunt for food, sleep most of the time etc. But we humans have somehow developed a self awareness that all other animals haven't, due to evolution I believe.
It seems so ironic that the exact same thing could happen with machines that WE build. It just makes me think that something built us, and that we were meant to see this irony to understand something more about life.
If I was tripping I could of written this a lot better and in more detail .
This is why i think humans are so self centered.
Why do you/others think we are any different than those animals. We are also just programmed organisms.
The only difference is our DNA and program are suited to take advantage of this planet better than other organisms.
our DNA and program are suited to take advantage of this planet better than other organisms
So you agree that we are the best? We take advantage of our environment in a way that is very different from other life, but I wouldn't necessarily say better. We're killing ourselves off pretty nicely right now.
Edited by Sleepwalker (11/23/08 02:43 AM)
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Re: Ironic Machinery [Re: Noteworthy]
#9295699 - 11/23/08 02:49 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't believe animals can question the nature of life, where they came from etc, which sets us apart from them. I'm not saying we're not animals, but there's a clear difference between us and all other organisms. I think our species is the most evolved on the planet.
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Re: Ironic Machinery [Re: Jufin]
#9295726 - 11/23/08 03:04 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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animals ask questions. but they cant ask questions vocally, and they cant ask questions to themselves about things that they have no words for.
They just query whatever is around them at the time.
well humans have the abilty to symbolise concepts that they see and access them whenever, allowing them to do the very same 'query' with a lot more tools and stimuli at their dispoal (being able to access lots of words and their meanings and hold it all in short term memory in a specific way)
anyway i think you should at least say that our species' brain (which is but one of hundreds of others in bodies) is the most evolved.
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Re: Ironic Machinery [Re: Noteworthy]
#9296929 - 11/23/08 12:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's really no such thing as free will, only entropy.
Everything we do is based off of emotions and thoughts we may experience, both of which are out of our control =P we may even "choose" to act against our emotions, based on another sense-- that it's the right thing to do. That is also out of our control.
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Re: Ironic Machinery [Re: Jufin]
#9297661 - 11/23/08 02:24 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jufin said: I've been having this thought recently.
In regards to the whole 'man creates machine, machine turns on man and destroys them' idea, computers in the near future will apparently be as complex as the human brain. So it seems a possibility that they could develop their own thoughts, or 'free will.' Now look at nature.
Animals are driven completely by instinct and lack free will, 'programmed' you could say. For example, cats are 'programmed' to clean themselves, hunt for food, sleep most of the time etc. But we humans have somehow developed a self awareness that all other animals haven't, due to evolution I believe.
It seems so ironic that the exact same thing could happen with machines that WE build. It just makes me think that something built us, and that we were meant to see this irony to understand something more about life.
If I was tripping I could of written this a lot better and in more detail .
We all.. come from the same place. Therefore , all are of the same creation. Even animals.. even rocks and pots  There is much more to the truth than just a brain. A brain would be the equivalent to a PC. The spirit is behind the mouse and keyboard , so to speak. The irony is there so you would question it , learn and then progress to new teachings stretching out to infinity......................
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Re: Ironic Machinery [Re: Ratci]
#9301276 - 11/23/08 11:57 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't believe in thinking like that, I like to have control over what I can and can't do, it makes me feel free.
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Re: Ironic Machinery [Re: Jufin]
#9301297 - 11/23/08 11:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I love Ironic Machinery's bitchin new album. I give it five guitars!
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That name's mine bitch, but you can buy it off me for 5 dollars if you want.
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Re: Ironic Machinery [Re: Jufin]
#9301409 - 11/24/08 12:17 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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My band's name is w-a-y cooler. We are Cosmic Disturbance and we fuckin' rock.
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Cosmic Disturbance... sounds like grind mixed with psychedelic? lol good name tho
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Re: Ironic Machinery [Re: Jufin]
#9302123 - 11/24/08 03:51 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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It seems so ironic that the exact same thing could happen with machines that WE build.
I know...the robot my cat built was totally lame, all it did was sleep and wash itself...TOTAL FAIL.
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Re: Ironic Machinery [Re: Jufin]
#9303863 - 11/24/08 12:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jufin said: Cosmic Disturbance... sounds like grind mixed with psychedelic? lol good name tho
When I had a band it was called "Conformate Color" it was pretty kick-ass ^_^
The name, not the music ^v^;;
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