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Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby?
    #9303742 - 11/24/08 12:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I was just thinking, did Jesus take magic mushrooms as a child/did Mary take mushrooms when he was still in her womb?

Think of it, what Mary experienced sounds like a trip, and it might be that Jesus, while still a fetus, ingested magic mushrooms through his mother who accidentally took magic mushrooms. Also, when he was born, he was born in a stable, with dung and straw everywhere, and was laid on a bed of straw. There might have been mushrooms in his bed, and he might have ate one in curiosity. That might explain why he was the greatest human being who ever lived.

(BTW this is not meant as any offence to Christians, it is just a theory.)

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: The Centre]
    #9303751 - 11/24/08 12:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

There's some kind of documentary around on shrooms and Christianity actually.

I'll post the link if I can find it again :smile:


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: The Centre]
    #9303752 - 11/24/08 12:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I'm going to go ahead and say no.

I hate how people try to rationalize mushrooms from references in the Bible. Not saying you are, but one person was like "Jesus did take shrooms because the water-wine trick was just a bunch of people tripping" or some bullshit.

I just don't believe it, but that doesn't mean it should be dismissed in it's entirety

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: The Centre]
    #9303757 - 11/24/08 12:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I eat mushrooms, but I'm no Jesus.

Also, in my opinion, the psychedelic experience has far more parallels to Eastern philosophy than it does to Western religion.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #9303760 - 11/24/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

he didnt take the mushrooms, he gave em to his followers so they would believe


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: The Centre]
    #9303768 - 11/24/08 12:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

well its plausible.
the bible even talks about mushrooms, something about "there it was on the ground, round and wet with dew" they call it "mana".

and i dont know about anyone else but everytime i have a lifechanging trip, it just makes me want to start a following with "spiritual" ties to the universe, and center it around love and peace.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: Coaster]
    #9303777 - 11/24/08 12:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

The Pharmacratic Inquisition
http://exposureroom.com/members/gnosticmedia.aspx/assets/988000d35c0e455ebd0312dcde29cd03/

Obviously, be careful with what you do and don't believe :smile:


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: UnderTheOak]
    #9303785 - 11/24/08 12:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

in the morning you shall be filled with bread: and you shall know that I am Yahweh your God

It happened at evening that quail came up and covered the camp; and in the morning the dew lay around the camp

When the dew that lay had gone, behold, on the surface of the wilderness was a small round thing, small as the hoar-frost on the ground

When the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, "What is it?" For they didn't know what it was. Moses said to them, "It is the bread which Yahweh has given you to eat

:mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: Coaster]
    #9303805 - 11/24/08 12:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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in the morning you shall be filled with bread: and you shall know that I am Yahweh your God

It happened at evening that quail came up and covered the camp; and in the morning the dew lay around the camp

When the dew that lay had gone, behold, on the surface of the wilderness was a small round thing, small as the hoar-frost on the ground

When the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, "What is it?" For they didn't know what it was. Moses said to them, "It is the bread which Yahweh has given you to eat

:mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:




seriously, what else could they be referring to?
only a mush fits that description


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: SydBarrett420]
    #9303816 - 11/24/08 12:18 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

ya but were they magic mushrooms
prolly not
and so wuts the significance
that shrooms r healthy, we alrdy no that


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: deCypher]
    #9303827 - 11/24/08 12:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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but I'm no Jesus.





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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: SydBarrett420]
    #9303829 - 11/24/08 12:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, but by the off chance that they were magic it could explain a lot of weird stories in the bible.
all the visions of god and angels, and the white light.
sounds like a trip to me.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: UnderTheOak]
    #9303830 - 11/24/08 12:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I highly doubt that Jesus took magic mushrooms. Why would he have to if he's already ominpotent, all powerful blahblahblah.

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: deCypher]
    #9303836 - 11/24/08 12:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I eat mushrooms, but I'm no Jesus.

Also, in my opinion, the psychedelic experience has far more parallels to Eastern philosophy than it does to Western religion.




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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: plasma]
    #9303844 - 11/24/08 12:24 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I highly doubt that Jesus took magic mushrooms. Why would he have to if he's already ominpotent, all powerful blahblahblah.



You clearly aren't understanding the implications of this thread.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: flip3084]
    #9303846 - 11/24/08 12:25 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

But, what about revelations.. They were written based on visions had while in a damp dark cave... sounds shroo:mushroom2:my to me


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: flip3084]
    #9303866 - 11/24/08 12:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: flip3084]
    #9303876 - 11/24/08 12:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Israel. Magic mushrooms. Uh-huh. Right. I bet he picked the cyanescens himself in the lush and humid forests of the Sinai desert or cubensis in the humid and tropical Golan Heights. Oh... wait a minute...

Maybe they smoked hasheesh, but shrooms? C'mon.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9303892 - 11/24/08 12:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i can make water into wine, all I need is some grape juice and yeast



read up on the dead sea scrolls nuccas

Edited by AgingHippy (11/24/08 12:34 PM)

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: AgingHippy]
    #9303905 - 11/24/08 12:36 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Would you use Assmannshausen or Pasteur Red yeast?? I think I would use the latter..... Please don't tell me you would use bread yeast...


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: flip3084]
    #9303914 - 11/24/08 12:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

did they even put yeast in wine back then?

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: AgingHippy]
    #9303928 - 11/24/08 12:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

And those lil whatevers underneath the holy bro are supposed to be shrooms, yeah? Alright. I guess all the funny unidentifiable drawings the Incas and Mayas left behind really ARE UFOs and their civilization did mate with visitors from outer space.
You see what you want to see. It's cool.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9303937 - 11/24/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

The question is, did they have yeast infections...


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9303952 - 11/24/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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the holy bro


:lol:

seriously though, what else can you imagine those things being besides mushrooms?  I'd appreciate your input as I am willing to learn :wink:


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: AgingHippy]
    #9304006 - 11/24/08 12:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

the adam and eve thing really makes a lot of sense.

here's a better version with both of them:


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: AgingHippy]
    #9304034 - 11/24/08 01:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Many mushrooms on a single stem with leaves on it? WTF! That's new one for me.
I don't see mushrooms in that at all.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9304057 - 11/24/08 01:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Who cares?

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: The Centre]
    #9304071 - 11/24/08 01:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Who gives a shit what ONE person did or did not do 2000 years ago. I mean talk about living in the past. Lol are you trying to convert to a chistian because you want a god that did drugs. Just make one up and your set.

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9304075 - 11/24/08 01:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Many mushrooms on a single stem with leaves on it? WTF! That's new one for me.
I don't see mushrooms in that at all.





no stripes?  and not orange?  must not be a tiger?!?!?!

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: wolf fish]
    #9304080 - 11/24/08 01:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Who gives a shit what ONE person did or did not do 2000 years ago.




Gee, let's just throw out the history books and reject how completely Western civilization was influenced by one man, shall we?


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: deCypher]
    #9304092 - 11/24/08 01:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

its not really influenced by the man
just the idea of the man


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: deCypher]
    #9304093 - 11/24/08 01:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I eat mushrooms, but I'm no Jesus.

Also, in my opinion, the psychedelic experience has far more parallels to Eastern philosophy than it does to Western religion.




Yea, but you didn't get born into that consciousness. I think if you are born tripping, you will stay tripping. For instance, my mother smoked weed while I was still a fetus, and I am what you would consider permanently in a buzz, and very philosophical. (And just to clarify, I had a 94% GPA in school, so I am not stupid.)

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: deCypher]
    #9304097 - 11/24/08 01:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

yeah rly cause a figment of a (group of people out to make money)'s imagination is history. History and religion are different things although they might influence each other.

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: SydBarrett420]
    #9304099 - 11/24/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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well its plausible.
the bible even talks about mushrooms, something about "there it was on the ground, round and wet with dew" they call it "mana".

and i dont know about anyone else but everytime i have a lifechanging trip, it just makes me want to start a following with "spiritual" ties to the universe, and center it around love and peace.




Actually it is manna, not mana, mana is magical energy, the same thing as Chi, Psi, and energy.

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: Coaster]
    #9304107 - 11/24/08 01:14 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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its not really influenced by the man
just the idea of the man




I don't think we know too much about the man himself; all anyone has is an idea of Jesus.  Although isn't there some historical evidence that he actually existed?


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: wolf fish]
    #9304118 - 11/24/08 01:17 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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yeah rly cause a figment of a (group of people out to make money)'s imagination is history. History and religion are different things although they might influence each other.




I know, I did watch Zeitgeist, both of them, but I still believe Jesus existed, and he is God incarnate, so are you, and me, and everyone and everything else. I think he was someone very intuned with the universes energy.

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: deCypher]
    #9304119 - 11/24/08 01:17 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i dont think there is any solid evidence of his existence
the earliest documents of jesus was found after he was dead
how much about a man can we know if all accounts were from after he was deceased
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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: wolf fish]
    #9304130 - 11/24/08 01:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Who gives a shit what ONE person did or did not do 2000 years ago. I mean talk about living in the past. Lol are you trying to convert to a chistian because you want a god that did drugs. Just make one up and your set.




I am far from Christian, I was one though... I do believe he existed, and we can learn a lot from him, but people lost track of the message and only focus on the storyline.

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: Coaster]
    #9304131 - 11/24/08 01:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

What's your alternative explanation then?


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: wolf fish]
    #9304132 - 11/24/08 01:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Religion has shaped our history, bro.

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: deCypher]
    #9304133 - 11/24/08 01:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Jesus is gonna strike all you fuck sticks down with Wine filled fists of salvation.

You'll see.

PS - Adam and Eve ate teh early Benedryl - Datura Tree Thorn Apples.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: Dickhead]
    #9304137 - 11/24/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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PS - Adam and Eve ate teh early Benedryl - Datura Tree Thorn Apples.




Definitely would explain them waking up naked somewhere in the wilderness. :awesome:


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: 04281969]
    #9304139 - 11/24/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Well, some apparently do. I don't really give much about it as well. An atheist like me is still amazed about how a 2000 year old hippie cult is the foundation of the self-conception of a few billion people today. I do have to ask: Is humanity out of its fucking mind?


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: Coaster]
    #9304144 - 11/24/08 01:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

If you call Paintings done after his death by friends of a friend that saw him, and the picture of who he was got so distorted that it turned into a picture of a white man then yes there is a great wealth of info. we rly have no possible way to no weather or not he existed.

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: The Centre]
    #9304162 - 11/24/08 01:25 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I was just thinking, did Jesus take magic mushrooms as a child?






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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: Jackenobi]
    #9304174 - 11/24/08 01:27 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I was just thinking, did Jesus take magic mushrooms as a child?






ftw?




i think he just loooked down and realized he had no dick or vag and was fucking amazed at gods work at completely fucking him over

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: wolf fish]
    #9304191 - 11/24/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Oh Father!

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: Dickhead]
    #9304242 - 11/24/08 01:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

think again!



the OP made me think of obelix falling into the magic potion as a baby - thus being permanantly superstrong whereas asterix and the rest of the gauls had to keep re-imbibing the potion to achieve the same level or effect...

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: The Centre]
    #9304311 - 11/24/08 01:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I eat mushrooms, but I'm no Jesus.

Also, in my opinion, the psychedelic experience has far more parallels to Eastern philosophy than it does to Western religion.




Yea, but you didn't get born into that consciousness. I think if you are born tripping, you will stay tripping. For instance, my mother smoked weed while I was still a fetus, and I am what you would consider permanently in a buzz, and very philosophical. (And just to clarify, I had a 94% GPA in school, so I am not stupid.)




I don't think it was the weed, I think you were dropped on your head. There is absolutely no way a minute amount of an active chemical introduced at a young age could stay rolling around in your brain making you trip for the rest of your life. That is just absolutely rediculous from a biology standpoint.

Please don't just discount my opinion by saying it happened to me or somebody I know. I want scientific literature not stoner opionion.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: Coaster]
    #9304325 - 11/24/08 01:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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i dont think there is any solid evidence of his existence
the earliest documents of jesus was found after he was dead
how much about a man can we know if all accounts were from after he was deceased
and this was be4 the internet




Yes, but there was definitely somebody like him, not necessary he himself.

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: C12H16N2O]
    #9304331 - 11/24/08 02:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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deCypher said:
I eat mushrooms, but I'm no Jesus.

Also, in my opinion, the psychedelic experience has far more parallels to Eastern philosophy than it does to Western religion.




Yea, but you didn't get born into that consciousness. I think if you are born tripping, you will stay tripping. For instance, my mother smoked weed while I was still a fetus, and I am what you would consider permanently in a buzz, and very philosophical. (And just to clarify, I had a 94% GPA in school, so I am not stupid.)




I don't think it was the weed, I think you were dropped on your head. There is absolutely no way a minute amount of an active chemical introduced at a young age could stay rolling around in your brain making you trip for the rest of your life. That is just absolutely rediculous from a biology standpoint.

Please don't just discount my opinion by saying it happened to me or somebody I know. I want scientific literature not stoner opionion.




Science is the worst thing ever invented.

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: Jackenobi]
    #9304361 - 11/24/08 02:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

The one true God, FSM, actually prefers mushrooms.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: C12H16N2O]
    #9304439 - 11/24/08 02:17 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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deCypher said:
I eat mushrooms, but I'm no Jesus.

Also, in my opinion, the psychedelic experience has far more parallels to Eastern philosophy than it does to Western religion.




Yea, but you didn't get born into that consciousness. I think if you are born tripping, you will stay tripping. For instance, my mother smoked weed while I was still a fetus, and I am what you would consider permanently in a buzz, and very philosophical. (And just to clarify, I had a 94% GPA in school, so I am not stupid.)




I don't think it was the weed, I think you were dropped on your head. There is absolutely no way a minute amount of an active chemical introduced at a young age could stay rolling around in your brain making you trip for the rest of your life. That is just absolutely rediculous from a biology standpoint.

Please don't just discount my opinion by saying it happened to me or somebody I know. I want scientific literature not stoner opionion.



unless the person has a family history of schizophrenia for example

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9304477 - 11/24/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Well, some apparently do. I don't really give much about it as well. An atheist like me is still amazed about how a 2000 year old hippie cult is the foundation of the self-conception of a few billion people today. I do have to ask: Is humanity out of its fucking mind?




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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: AgingHippy]
    #9304480 - 11/24/08 02:25 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Thats mental illness though which is completely plausible and understandable. Thanks for mentioning that because I never thought of it while I was posting.

And directed to The Centre, science is the only reason we live into our 70's and 80's now instead of dying off from sickness and worn out bodies in our 30's like we did not all that long ago. If it was not for science you wouldn't have the privlidge of sitting on that computer insulting science. There would be no internet. There would be no mass communication. There would be no LSD or anti-biotics. How can you say science is the worst thing ever invented when EVERYTHING ever invented was a product of scientific thinking and investigation?


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: C12H16N2O]
    #9304537 - 11/24/08 02:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

hallucinogens are thought to kind of mimic the symptoms of schizophrenia, no?

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: AgingHippy]
    #9304687 - 11/24/08 03:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

:nonono:

Classical serotonergic psychedelics were originally thought to be psychotomimetic, but the current, better model uses NMDA-antagonists such as Ketamine.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: deCypher]
    #9304729 - 11/24/08 03:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

for a catatonic schitzo maybe

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: AgingHippy]
    #9304775 - 11/24/08 03:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Such side effects caused by NMDA receptor inhibitors include hallucinations, paranoid delusions, confusion, difficulty concentrating, agitation, alterations in mood, nightmares,[8] catatonia,[9] ataxia,[10] anaesthesia,[11] and learning and memory deficits.[12]




They're fairly successful at producing both the positive and negative symptoms of schizophrenia.  :shrug:


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: deCypher]
    #9304900 - 11/24/08 03:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

or jesus ate some bread with his wine that was infected with st anthonys fire, and was trippin on Ergot alkaloids.. would explain his life of revelations and OEV's like burning bush's..


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: deCypher]
    #9304916 - 11/24/08 03:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

We are really getting off topic in this thread lol. Maybe somebody should start a new one as to how hallucinogens and schizophrenia often have similar symptoms and maybe it's the same type of brain chemistry?

I dunno I just feel back hi-jacking this thread. :confused:


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: deCypher]
    #9305042 - 11/24/08 04:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Such side effects caused by NMDA receptor inhibitors include hallucinations, paranoid delusions, confusion, difficulty concentrating, agitation, alterations in mood, nightmares,[8] catatonia,[9] ataxia,[10] anaesthesia,[11] and learning and memory deficits.[12]




They're fairly successful at producing both the positive and negative symptoms of schizophrenia.  :shrug:


well there are several types of schizophrenia.  The type that makes people just sit around muttering to themselves, and living in their own  world is called catatonic.  A k-hole would probably be similar to this.

I didn't consider dxm-type hallucinations though, so I guess you have a point.  Does ketamine produce hallucinations at the below k-hole level?

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: C12H16N2O]
    #9305292 - 11/24/08 04:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

The irony is someone like jesus walks around today most would say they have some type of psychological disorder. what discludes jesus from the group, the fact he was the first.

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: wolf fish]
    #9308278 - 11/24/08 11:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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The irony is someone like jesus walks around today most would say they have some type of psychological disorder. what discludes jesus from the group, the fact he was the first.




haha so true.
id like to see how long someone could go around the world saying that they were the son of god sent to be sacrificed to pay for our "sins" before they were sent to the looney bin instead.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: SydBarrett420]
    #9309343 - 11/25/08 08:11 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: AgingHippy]
    #9309817 - 11/25/08 10:13 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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i can make water into wine, all I need is some grape juice and yeast



read up on the dead sea scrolls nuccas




Water into wine really means 'water into urine'.

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: jvm]
    #9310305 - 11/25/08 11:44 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, If you watch the Pharmacratic Inquisition they argue Jesus IS the magic mushroom.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: Takemeaway]
    #9310861 - 11/25/08 01:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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or jesus ate some bread with his wine that was infected with st anthonys fire, and was trippin on Ergot alkaloids.. would explain his life of revelations and OEV's like burning bush's..




Jesus didn't see a burning bush, Moses did.

Moses wuz trippin. He parted the Red Sea with magic. DONT U KNO?!?!

Call it what you will, but that man is important to me regardless of whether or not he existed.
His legacy of healing and helping people is inspiring.

Albeit the religion that is founded upon him is really fucked.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Christianity the number one religion in terms of how many people they have killed?

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: Kupo]
    #9310955 - 11/25/08 01:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

ummmm yesssss. your entitled to believe in jesus, as I am entitled to believe that theism is a degression of the mind. I mean no offense, but you can find morals, and life lessons, outside of the bible.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: flip3084]
    #9311348 - 11/25/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Of course you can

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: flip3084]
    #9311931 - 11/25/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Why Do I strongly disagree with Christianity??

The bible says, if you do not believe in Jesus, you will go to hell. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Therefore a human being who literally commits no sin in their life, is completely selfless, but may live in Africa where the knowledge of Christianity does not reach, is committed to heaven.

A coach of mine is a die hard christian, like the most die hard you will ever meet. I asked him what he thought would happen in the above circumstance, he didn't even hesitate. He just said, "she would go to hell"

Christianity by the bible sucks.

Good morals, but it sucks overall.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: The Centre]
    #9312728 - 11/25/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Those are those kind of stoners theories.

"I think god made weed for humans, so that they could use it and have a good time."


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: skaterickets]
    #9312833 - 11/25/08 07:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Jesus WAS a mushroom

ALSO:

There's no point in arguing this stuff, especially using the bible as a reference.

Those in power (governing) always ALWAYS have had the power to alter text and scriptures to sway power in their favor. Look at history books today! How often is it mentioned how Anglo Saxons stole and raped the land of the Native Americans and the natives themselves.

You can not trust ANY information that comes second hand! You must learn and experience for yourself. That is the only way you will ever know truth.


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    #9316241 - 11/26/08 11:26 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

"Theism is a crutch" Quote
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I guess I don't really need to quote myself, but, what the hell.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: The Centre]
    #9316795 - 11/26/08 01:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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deCypher said:
I eat mushrooms, but I'm no Jesus.

Also, in my opinion, the psychedelic experience has far more parallels to Eastern philosophy than it does to Western religion.




Yea, but you didn't get born into that consciousness. I think if you are born tripping, you will stay tripping. For instance, my mother smoked weed while I was still a fetus, and I am what you would consider permanently in a buzz, and very philosophical. (And just to clarify, I had a 94% GPA in school, so I am not stupid.)




rofl. dude..

GPA is a 4 point scale.

..wow..


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    #9316810 - 11/26/08 01:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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deCypher said:
I eat mushrooms, but I'm no Jesus.

Also, in my opinion, the psychedelic experience has far more parallels to Eastern philosophy than it does to Western religion.




Yea, but you didn't get born into that consciousness. I think if you are born tripping, you will stay tripping. For instance, my mother smoked weed while I was still a fetus, and I am what you would consider permanently in a buzz, and very philosophical. (And just to clarify, I had a 94% GPA in school, so I am not stupid.)




rofl. dude..

GPA is a 4 point scale.

..wow..




lol, well, maybe he meant 3.8 then, or maybe ,,, well, really I am at a loss on this one.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: flip3084]
    #9316866 - 11/26/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

and since when does gpa determine how smart you are?
yeah maybe booksmarts from societies standpoint but other than that your experiences throughout life determine really how "smart" you are.


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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: SydBarrett420]
    #9316920 - 11/26/08 01:29 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

ummm. acutally, intelligence is not based on what you know, but how well you learn it. So, unless you just didn't care while in school, I would say a GPA, would be a damn good depiction of your intelligence. On the other hand, You can have an IQ of well over 150 and choose not to read or learn anything new.. And that would certainly not make you unintelligent, only stupid.

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Re: Did Jesus take magic mushrooms when he was a baby? [Re: flip3084]
    #9317063 - 11/26/08 02:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

IMO.....
Why can't ppl just pick up a bible and read it for themselves?
Everyone can interpret it differently and we do so personally.
We always want facts, hxc proof, but i think we are never gonna find what we want to validate God. It's faith that most lack and having faith would then be the answer of any question.

God=Jesus as Jesus=God... Jesus is perfection. He followed the perfect example of a life devoted to God. He ministered the word, never fell into temptations, and fulfilled his purpose. We can never be a Jesus but we can devote ourselves to God. Have your own personal relationship with God, ask for guidance, and he'll lead you through life.

Um Mushies/Plants/Drugs have a purpose on being here, I'm just not sure exactly why to every single one. I think ppl like to always think of them wrongly but it's here for a reason. It has the good and the bad, but really the question is where lies our intentions of their usage? We are the temple of god, knowing when things are harmful, or not right is something to think about. We could go about fucking ourselves with drugs, abusing them, and it's not gonna make you a Jesus or gain special powers, it's just gonna fuck you up cause the intentions are not anything but idolizing the idea of being God like. Adam and Eve themselves ate from the knowledge of life, wanting to be GOD and therefore their intentions were wrong. We are the smartest creatures on earth, God made us in his image! We've given name to everything in this Galaxy. But we still will carry out the burdens of our greatest ancestors actions. The love of god is what has saved us from disobedience. We have free will, we can choose to believe or not, be good or not, love god or not, but we are all going to know the truth the day we die/ and or his prophecies are completed.

More trippy would be the fact that we denied love in eternity because our ego's stopped us from loving God, our father.


edit: forgot to say, how could a baby munch on mush? and god protected and provided for them the whole journey of his birth. Mushies existed before them and the usage of them were probably known to some extent. It's not like everyone was an ignorant person who would just eat anything.

Edited by Jas (11/26/08 02:18 PM)

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