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    #9300229 - 11/23/08 08:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Like the subject title says. :smile:

What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable?

What are some other species that are fairly expensive?

I was thinking Shitakes are near the top regarding price. How wrong am I?

I'm not talking actives either. :smirk:

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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: mushroomhunter10] * 1
    #9300446 - 11/23/08 09:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Shiitake's are far too common nowadays to be "expensive". Try something you cannot but in your grocery store. Like Nameko, Enoki (well, maybe at the Asian grocery place), Shimeji, Lion's Mane.

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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: denger] * 1
    #9300482 - 11/23/08 09:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

You know, sometimes quality is more important then the species name. Restaurants can buy King oyster at $15/lb if its a top notch mushroom. Maybe even more if you find the right restaurant and they cannot get it elsewhere.

Obviously I'm talking about expensive places in Manhattan, not a roadside diner.

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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: denger] * 1
    #9301002 - 11/23/08 11:03 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks denger. We've got some ritzy places around here near Motor City.


Does anybody else have any input about this?


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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: mushroomhunter10] * 1
    #9301024 - 11/23/08 11:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I heard you can cultivate morels but its a closely guarded patented secret process.

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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: MisterMuscaria] * 1
    #9301640 - 11/24/08 01:01 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Where did you hear it? I hear it's next to impossible because they coexist with other organisms that aren't normally found in a controlled cultivation.

You can have tremendous success in outdoor cultivation.


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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: mushroomhunter10] * 1
    #9301979 - 11/24/08 02:28 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: mushroomhunter10] * 1
    #9302075 - 11/24/08 03:15 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

There are local differences. Check gourmet food places (not restaurants). Hm maybe even ask at restaurants.
For medicinals Ganoderma Lucidum seems to be rather expensive in most places.
I think for Gourmet species the advice you already got is good. :smile:

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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: mushroomhunter10] * 1
    #9302274 - 11/24/08 05:34 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Where did you hear it? I hear it's next to impossible because they coexist with other organisms that aren't normally found in a controlled cultivation.




That's only partially correct.  Morels can grow as saprophytes without mycorrizal partners.  The death of a host organism generally stimulates fruiting.

I made up a few jars of rye grass seed last night with morels in mind.  I'm not about to attempt the indoor growing technique, though.  That requires some very precise environmental control, which I don't have available.

I agree with Denger here about finding species which are not widely cultivated in your area.  Outdoor morels might not be it if you're in Michigan, since the wild harvests up there are quite abundant from what I've heard. :smile:


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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: spacel0rd] * 1
    #9302316 - 11/24/08 06:14 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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For medicinals Ganoderma Lucidum seems to be rather expensive in most places.





Actually Ganoderma is quite cheap. My local Asian food mart (H-mart, formerly HanAhRheum) sells them for $3 for 8oz dry.

Also, plenty of it available mail-order and on eBay for next to nothing.

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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: denger] * 1
    #9302389 - 11/24/08 07:06 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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You know, sometimes quality is more important then the species name. Restaurants can buy King oyster at $15/lb if its a top notch mushroom. Maybe even more if you find the right restaurant and they cannot get it elsewhere.

Obviously I'm talking about expensive places in Manhattan, not a roadside diner.




? I've seen king oyster being sold at supermarkets in manhattan for 29.95/lb, is 15 really a good price to sell at as an individual?

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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: vampirism] * 1
    #9302409 - 11/24/08 07:18 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

To be honest with you I do not know prices in Manhattan.I can only go by what I saw locally in Baltimore, and I saw $12/lb at H-mart.

Admittedly, I also saw $14/lb for dried and ugly Shiitake's at a local grocery store. I would have not taken them if they paid me to haul it away. I am sure prices differ widely around. If your local store sells it at $30/lb, you can probably make more delivering directly to an upscale restaurant, provided your product is flawless.

As far as King oysters go, there is a u-tube video (there is a link to it from a recent thread on inoculating sawdust with LC in the advanced forum). It shows the process that Korean place uses that makes top notch product. There are a couple of secrets revealed in there.

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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: denger] * 1
    #9302576 - 11/24/08 08:30 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

We are lucky to get $10 a lb for kings in the Motor City, where we market most of our mushrooms. Even places up in Oakland Ct don't want to pay more than 8.

Michigan is a tough place to sell gourmet mushrooms. Even the nicer restaurants and grocery stores who want the product just aren't willing to pay a premium price.

The whole state is economically depressed and everyone is in the wal-mart mindset. Cheaper the better.

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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: denger] * 1
    #9302595 - 11/24/08 08:37 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

At stores they usually sell by wet weight right?

What kind of Oysters are usually sold?

There are so many varieties that I've seen. I saw this thread of a guy here named Graham creating his own indoor grow facility. It was pretty amazing to see the process. They were blue/grey.

Which Oyster Mushrooms normally have the highest demand? I've seen them in different colors too...


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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: b3jamboree] * 1
    #9302600 - 11/24/08 08:37 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Can't always trust the dried mushrooms in grocery stores.

I was told by someone that the industry takes the "not pretty" ones and dries those.  In the case of wild forage mushrooms, even the ones with worm tunnels, they are dried and sold.

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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: Ceara] * 1
    #9303532 - 11/24/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

For me it would have to be Ganoderma lucidum and edible: King oyster


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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: solumvita] * 1
    #9303605 - 11/24/08 11:37 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

So it's Ganoderma lucidum and King oysters


Anybody else??


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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: mushroomhunter10] * 1
    #9305175 - 11/24/08 04:27 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Cordyceps if you can cultivate it Id think would fetch a far higher price as a medicinal than ganoderma.

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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: MisterMuscaria] * 1
    #9305401 - 11/24/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

What exactly do you mean "cultivatable"?  The most expensive mushroom by far is a truffle [tuber].  But you can't grow them indoors or anything.  They grow in the ground, and the myc grows on the roots of certain trees.  You could technically do this, but you'd have to plant a tree that's had it's roots treated w/ the spores.  And then 3-5 yrs later, you're growing truffles.

Black Truffles: (USD$130–$380 per pound)
White Truffles: (USD$1350-$2700 per pound)

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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: J3illy] * 1
    #9305671 - 11/24/08 05:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I meant indoor.

I might get truffle trees but that's later.


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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #9315994 - 11/26/08 10:15 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

If you're willing to learn to grow corn, there's always Cuitlacoche, otherwise known as... Corn Smut!  (Ustilago maydis)  I found a 7.6 oz can of the stuff on the Internet for $18.50.

Corn smut is considered a delicacy in Mexico, and is grown commercially in the States in a few places as well.  This is a neat fungus that has potential for medicinal use, and it shares many proteins and cellular processes with humans.  Studying it can provide many insights into diseases related to these proteins.  (42 related to human diseases, according to some abstract I found on The Google.)


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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: Paresthesia]
    #9320040 - 11/26/08 11:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Not sure if it's marketable near me. Interesting nonetheless.

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    #9320085 - 11/26/08 11:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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If you're willing to learn to grow corn, there's always Cuitlacoche, otherwise known as... Corn Smut!  (Ustilago maydis)  I found a 7.6 oz can of the stuff on the Internet for $18.50.

Corn smut is considered a delicacy in Mexico, and is grown commercially in the States in a few places as well.  This is a neat fungus that has potential for medicinal use, and it shares many proteins and cellular processes with humans.  Studying it can provide many insights into diseases related to these proteins.  (42 related to human diseases, according to some abstract I found on The Google.)




When I ate corn smut I tripped.

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    #9320656 - 11/27/08 02:51 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Paresthesia said:
If you're willing to learn to grow corn, there's always Cuitlacoche, otherwise known as... Corn Smut!  (Ustilago maydis)  I found a 7.6 oz can of the stuff on the Internet for $18.50.

Corn smut is considered a delicacy in Mexico, and is grown commercially in the States in a few places as well.  This is a neat fungus that has potential for medicinal use, and it shares many proteins and cellular processes with humans.  Studying it can provide many insights into diseases related to these proteins.  (42 related to human diseases, according to some abstract I found on The Google.)




When I ate corn smut I tripped.




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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: AcidHorse]
    #9320706 - 11/27/08 03:30 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Wouldn't it be funny if it was all of the above?

He ate the corn smut which made him trip, then while tripping he ate more corn smut and then tripped over something and woke up the next day with a bad headache and a sore butt.


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    #9320906 - 11/27/08 05:14 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe he mixed corn smut up with ergot of rye?

If he experienced hallucinations, dizziness, nausea, burning sensations in the hands and feet followed by gangrene and the eventual loss of those limbs, then it was ergot. :grin:


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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: Paresthesia]
    #9321406 - 11/27/08 09:43 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I was also thinking there was ergot involved.

It's the only possible explanation.


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    #9322990 - 11/27/08 04:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

It LOOKED like the grey cornsmut. I had the experiences of ergot, and I think this is why:

I hate to quote wikipedia; but
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Americans of the American Southwest, including the Zuni tribe, have used corn smut to induce labor. It has similar medicinal effects to ergot, but weaker, due to the presence of the chemical ustilagine.




It WAS psychoactive, and I did have slight burning of the limbs, but I did not get gangrene, nothing fell off and Im still completely intact 3 years later.

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    #9336018 - 11/30/08 06:29 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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    #9385075 - 12/07/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I've been thinking about growing shaggy manes, but you'd have to partner with a restraunt and deliver daily?!?!


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    #9392610 - 12/08/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

heres a video about the trufle

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    #9395053 - 12/08/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Lobster mushrooms sell for 14lb here in Seattle.  If they are cultivatable as the original question stands, then I say they are the most expensive for areas that are plentiful like my neighborhood grocery/farmer's markets are. 

I say that b/c two things Seattle has....

  • the best environment for mushrooms to naturally flourish in
    large spectrum and proportion of Asian American culture.
 

This creates a large market on both ends (supply/demand)


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    #9395143 - 12/08/08 08:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Lobster mushroom? Is this it:
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/hypomyces_lactifluorum.html

If so, then it is definitely not cultivatable.

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    #9397219 - 12/09/08 01:51 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Indeed, I am going to the market asap to also confer with my local grocery manager on his supplier.  It makes sense that its sold semi-seasonally. 

I am making a quest to Uwajimaya to see what the prices are on their maitake & enoke.  They may rank.  Year round too. 

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    #9397665 - 12/09/08 05:10 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Oooh.  Chances are very good that Hokuto-Kinoko has that market locked up tight.  It's very difficult to compete with 8oz packages of shimeji, maitake or enoki that can be sold for $2.99 a pop.  Now if you can afford to shell out the big bucks for a bottle cultivation system, that's a different story. :grin:


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What exactly do you mean "cultivatable"?  The most expensive mushroom by far is a truffle [tuber].  But you can't grow them indoors or anything.  They grow in the ground, and the myc grows on the roots of certain trees.  You could technically do this, but you'd have to plant a tree that's had it's roots treated w/ the spores.  And then 3-5 yrs later, you're growing truffles.
Black Truffles: (USD$130–$380 per pound)
White Truffles: (USD$1350-$2700 per pound)

DAMMMMMM

i didnt realise they were that expensive, i no it takes 5 years or whatever but are the spores easy to come by, are they available to the avarage joe?, nearly 3grand a pound, why dont we all just plant a spore laced tree, it could be like a savins account, we each get one and in 5 years everyone diggs um up sells um at a shroomery sponsor,i mean where else would us shroomerites get a fair price,  and then free mycology supplies for all :thumbup: whos in ?

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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: tommyg615]
    #19847807 - 04/15/14 09:43 AM (10 years, 4 days ago)

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J3illy said:
What exactly do you mean "cultivatable"?  The most expensive mushroom by far is a truffle [tuber].  But you can't grow them indoors or anything.  They grow in the ground, and the myc grows on the roots of certain trees.  You could technically do this, but you'd have to plant a tree that's had it's roots treated w/ the spores.  And then 3-5 yrs later, you're growing truffles.
Black Truffles: (USD$130–$380 per pound)
White Truffles: (USD$1350-$2700 per pound)

DAMMMMMM

i didnt realise they were that expensive, i no it takes 5 years or whatever but are the spores easy to come by, are they available to the avarage joe?, nearly 3grand a pound, why dont we all just plant a spore laced tree, it could be like a savins account, we each get one and in 5 years everyone diggs um up sells um at a shroomery sponsor,i mean where else would us shroomerites get a fair price,  and then free mycology supplies for all :thumbup: whos in ?



I'm actually about to pull the trigger on this one.  Going to try it myself to make my friends a wedding gift they'll really like.  All you need are the right oak or hazelnut seeds and a fresh truffle.

Start oak/hazelnut seeds in sterilized soil, so no competing mycorhizae take hold.  After a few months make spore slurry from a 1/2oz or so of truffle blended into a bucket of sterile water.  Then you can hope for the best or at least examine the roots after a few months to see if your experiment worked.  The roots should have black myc sheaths.


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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: drake89]
    #19848294 - 04/15/14 11:51 AM (10 years, 4 days ago)

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J3illy said:
What exactly do you mean "cultivatable"?  The most expensive mushroom by far is a truffle [tuber].  But you can't grow them indoors or anything.  They grow in the ground, and the myc grows on the roots of certain trees.  You could technically do this, but you'd have to plant a tree that's had it's roots treated w/ the spores.  And then 3-5 yrs later, you're growing truffles.
Black Truffles: (USD$130–$380 per pound)
White Truffles: (USD$1350-$2700 per pound)

DAMMMMMM

i didnt realise they were that expensive, i no it takes 5 years or whatever but are the spores easy to come by, are they available to the avarage joe?, nearly 3grand a pound, why dont we all just plant a spore laced tree, it could be like a savins account, we each get one and in 5 years everyone diggs um up sells um at a shroomery sponsor,i mean where else would us shroomerites get a fair price,  and then free mycology supplies for all :thumbup: whos in ?



I'm actually about to pull the trigger on this one.  Going to try it myself to make my friends a wedding gift they'll really like.  All you need are the right oak or hazelnut seeds and a fresh truffle.

Start oak/hazelnut seeds in sterilized soil, so no competing mycorhizae take hold.  After a few months make spore slurry from a 1/2oz or so of truffle blended into a bucket of sterile water.  Then you can hope for the best or at least examine the roots after a few months to see if your experiment worked.  The roots should have black myc sheaths.



let me no how it works out, it would be well worth it if it works, and a great wedding gift if i may add


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Re: What's the most expensive mushroom that's cultivatable? [Re: tommyg615]
    #19849391 - 04/15/14 03:40 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

this thread was from 2008, so...get a hold of the people who claimed they were going to do it, and wtf is up 6 years later.... we have a ton of truffles that grow in Michigan actually. no one knows it or knows how to hunt for them, but it isn't hard. a few people do and get plenty/year. They are not super high demand large truffles, but the super high priced ones are frankly for snobs and really fools, imo. People would like to think their palettes can discern the differences, but truth is they're mostly paying for a lot of hype. and if people drop the market out of rich peoples hype, then what is going to make them feel so special all the time? remember, they used to feed slaves lobster as a food source and oysters. and the slaves complained about it. so much is just a matter of perception and hype.

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