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Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment
    #9299576 - 11/23/08 07:17 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i've noticed throughout my life, that the religious people i know(including my own mother) that constantly choose hell and eternal punishment to preach their gospel...well, it seems like they aren't happy in life and that they want others to face an eternal punishment.

i believe it's a psychological defense mechanism in the religious area of the brain that actually makes them happy to know(in there beliefs/head) that other are going to burn for all eternity.

discuss.

i wish my mom would deal with her problem...maybe then she would realize, that the problems the ones that love her most have, are actually brought on by her.


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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: LayYouIn]
    #9299652 - 11/23/08 07:29 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

that must be why my mom is so fukin hard headed and goes insane


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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: lmfsmoke]
    #9299705 - 11/23/08 07:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

my ex wife damned me to hell for being indignant with the building department and a crazy neighbour.

i came to like that neighbour after she was gone.

she was schizophrenic and biblical extremes suited her well.


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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9299961 - 11/23/08 08:16 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Could you help me to choose a suitable mate?


Here is the deal:

God is all-merciful.
OC is only partly merciful.

God will punish transgressors for all eternity.
OC would only punish his enemies for maybe 10,000 years and then let them into heaven to join the party.

Something doesn't jibe here.


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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9303609 - 11/24/08 11:38 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

the whole concept of hell is completely illogical.

What is the point of punishment in any context?

=To attempt to teach someone something/To change someone.

Eternal punishment is nothing short of evil if there can be no resolve. No transfer to heaven etc. after the suitable amount of time.

As a creation of a so-called passionate God, The concept of Hell is entirely pointless, illogical and cruel.


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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: tosatori]
    #9303646 - 11/24/08 11:44 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

people feel good when they know that evil people will get punishment because it resolves conflict in the mind. for whatever reason, punishment resolves errs. When someone feels a certain way, they start looking at all the wrongs that other people do. When people are full of the wrongs of others, the best way out is to simply resolve all those 'wrongs' with a single concept. that concept is a god who sends sinners to hell. thus all the emotional conflict/conviction in the mind is swept away, and in that moment, the person feels better about life.
thus the belief in this god gets strenghtened.

religion is one of the most simple conditionings


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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: LayYouIn]
    #9303729 - 11/24/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

People denying religion are simply using a psychological defense mechanism because it makes them happy to believe that they won't be burning in Hell for all of eternity.

Just because the concept of Hell seems pointless or evil doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: deCypher]
    #9304123 - 11/24/08 01:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Haha well im equipped with the belief that if god existed, he would think better of me than most other people, so I for one still don't fear hell.

Anyway, hell may or may not exist.

But this would have to do with how God judges a person, not us. This is why it is endulgent - we think we can judge the world just like God.

And maybe that is what the whole fruit of knowlege business is about. Being able to see from God's perspective.

At any rate, god is all pwerful and all knowing, so when he placed the tree of knowlege on earth and placed man there in teh garden with it, and even though he TOLD the people not to eat from it, he KNEW that they would the very moment and in fact in the moments prior to putting the fruit in the garden.

But you know, it is totally possible that we are all just manifestations of God's enjoyment and he puts people here to go to hell and puts them there to go to heaven and just watches it all happen


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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: LayYouIn]
    #9304634 - 11/24/08 02:52 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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LayYouIn said:
i've noticed throughout my life, that the religious people i know(including my own mother) that constantly choose hell and eternal punishment to preach their gospel...well, it seems like they aren't happy in life and that they want others to face an eternal punishment.





They are in hell already.  I think that's their big mistake; they think hell is somewhere you go when you die.  Hell is a part of being alive.


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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #9305495 - 11/24/08 05:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

They use F.U.D. as a propaganda tactic.  Fear, Uncertainty, and Death.  Hell sucks, so you should fear it.  You aren't sure if it exists or not, so there is the uncertainty.  You might as well believe it to be on the safe side.  Death scares us all and salvation offers security.

People preach it without intending it as propaganda as well, because for you not to believe what they believe casts some doubt upon their beliefs.  They have their entire identities and securities wrapped up in the belief.  So to attack or disbelieve the belief is to completely invalidate their existence and remove any shred of foundational security out from under them.


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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #9306360 - 11/24/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #9309288 - 11/25/08 07:47 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think it would be funny if all the atheists and agnostics banded together, had a mass conversion to Biblical literalism, and started to act even crazier than the evangelicals.  Would they be like, "Uh.... great!", would they denounce this new movement as false, or would they think, "Wait a second... THIS is what we're like!?!!?!"


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at the crucial moments I’ll recover
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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: Lion]
    #9309304 - 11/25/08 07:53 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

First we would wait oustide of The Red Lobster restaurant and then imprison all those who ate shrimp.

It would be a start. :shrug:


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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9310578 - 11/25/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The concept of hell to me is enough reason to see that Catholicism and all other religions that believe in hell are not real and there is no god. I certainly wouldn't be able to damn someone to torture for eternity no matter how much fucked up shit they did on earth. So I doubt a kind god would be able to do it. And if they did then that's not a god I'd want to worship.


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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: Glenners]
    #9311287 - 11/25/08 02:51 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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The concept of hell to me is enough reason to see that Catholicism and all other religions that believe in hell are not real and there is no god. I certainly wouldn't be able to damn someone to torture for eternity no matter how much fucked up shit they did on earth. So I doubt a kind god would be able to do it. And if they did then that's not a god I'd want to worship.




i dont believe in that god either...but to say 'there is no god' because others believe that the god they believe in will send people to hell, that's a retarded reason not to believe in god, imo.


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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: LayYouIn]
    #9311347 - 11/25/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I was saying that is only one reason. I have a variety of reasons why I do not believe in god. To not believe in god solely based on what I said would be very stupid.


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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: Glenners]
    #9311434 - 11/25/08 03:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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The concept of hell to me is enough reason to see that Catholicism and all other religions that believe in hell are not real and there is no god. I certainly wouldn't be able to damn someone to torture for eternity no matter how much fucked up shit they did on earth. So I doubt a kind god would be able to do it. And if they did then that's not a god I'd want to worship.




I think it's possible that institutions have changed the original meanings of those terms in order to manipulate people.  The Catholics in particular have harnessed this technique for political and personal power.  The idea of hell makes a lot of sense to me to think of it as a state of living suffering, rather than a place you go if you touch yourself at night.


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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: LayYouIn]
    #9311995 - 11/25/08 04:34 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

If in your religion, you are not permitted to get a divorce, eternal punishment is a given.


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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: LayYouIn]
    #9312082 - 11/25/08 04:46 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Glenners said:
The concept of hell to me is enough reason to see that Catholicism and all other religions that believe in hell are not real and there is no god. I certainly wouldn't be able to damn someone to torture for eternity no matter how much fucked up shit they did on earth. So I doubt a kind god would be able to do it. And if they did then that's not a god I'd want to worship.




i dont believe in that god either...but to say 'there is no god' because others believe that the god they believe in will send people to hell, that's a retarded reason not to believe in god, imo.




Well since there is no real evidence of any god I'll go with this guy "“I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” ~Stephen Roberts
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Re: Psychology Behind Religion and Eternal Punishment [Re: Icelander]
    #9313400 - 11/25/08 08:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I was saying that is only one reason. I have a variety of reasons why I do not believe in god. To not believe in god solely based on what I said would be very stupid.




you actually said it "is enough reason".

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If in your religion, you are not permitted to get a divorce, eternal punishment is a given.




:lol::congrats:

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Well since there is no real evidence of any god I'll go with this guy "“I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” ~Stephen Roberts
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whatever works for you...:shrug:


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