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Spawn to Sub ratio
#9292114 - 11/22/08 02:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have five pints of WBS that I inoculated on the 13th and they are at 100%. I keep failing at the spawn to bulk portion of my grows, so I figured that I would mix all five pints with one pint of bulk. My trays hold six pints and I thought I'd just make one tray this go round. Aside from hearing all the slack about my missing out on the larger harvest, is there any reason that my plan of 5:1, (WBS:Bulk), wouldn't fly? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Mad Merlyn
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Everything I have read says 10:1 to 4:1. Personally I think id go more for the 4:1 for faster colonization
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Re: Spawn to Sub ratio [Re: Mad Merlyn]
#9292155 - 11/22/08 02:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I usually do 5:1 in that area...I don't measure exactly, but around there.
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Re: Spawn to Sub ratio [Re: MHbound]
#9292180 - 11/22/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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1:3 - 1:5 is most common, but some ppl go for a 1:2 for even faster colonization. And yes even a 1:10 can work, but you'll be waiting a long time for it, and giving it much more time to contam.
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Re: Spawn to Sub ratio [Re: MHbound]
#9292196 - 11/22/08 03:00 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hell, I use three pints spawn to three pints bulk last failure. No wonder I can't grow a shroom up in here. Math never was my fort!
Hey, I didn't even know I was using IE 7. Thanks for the information, (your sig...)
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J3illy
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BrandNewbie said: Hell, I use three pints spawn to three pints bulk last failure.
That's a 1:1 ratio and shoulda colonized real quick. What happened to it?
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Quote:
BrandNewbie said: Hell, I use three pints spawn to three pints bulk last failure. No wonder I can't grow a shroom up in here. Math never was my fort!
Hey, I didn't even know I was using IE 7. Thanks for the information, (your sig...)
Hell, at a 1:1 ratio like said you did, you should have had a guaranteed success! Not a failure.
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Re: Spawn to Sub ratio [Re: J3illy]
#9292270 - 11/22/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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100% colonization took two weeks, and even then it seemed stalled. After I put them in the shotgun, my perlite wouldn't stay hydrated. I think it's because I'm in the desert. I also suspect that the drop in temperature wasn't as much as five degrees. The ambient has dropped around here lately, so I have hope. I still don't understand the loss of so much moisture. Mayhap I should tape up a large amount of holes and just go fan crazy for my FAE. I know that I shouldn't HAVE to, but I'm seriously thinking about hooking up a cool mist to the chamber. Hopefully five pints of spawn to one pint of bulk will work...
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Maybe I gave up too easily. I know, just like Guns and Roses says, a little patience...
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J3illy
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BrandNewbie said: Hopefully five pints of spawn to one pint of bulk will work...
I think you're confused. A 1:5 ratio is 1 pint of spawn to 5 pints of bulk. Last time you used a 1:1 ratio, which is the highest spawn ratio anyone would ever use, and it would have the highest success rate possible. You gotta figure out what went wrong, cuz that's as good as it gets as far as ratios are concerned.
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Mad Merlyn
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A temperature drop is not necessary with cubensis. They can and will colonize fruit anywhere from the mid 60's to the mid 80's, though somehow 75 or so seems to do the trick for both scenarios.
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Re: Spawn to Sub ratio [Re: Mad Merlyn]
#9292287 - 11/22/08 03:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow, there were 2 replies since I started tying that.
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Re: Spawn to Sub ratio [Re: Mad Merlyn]
#9292304 - 11/22/08 03:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Had to be my humidity then. I didn't have any contaminates. I'll do 1:1 again. That will give me two trays, which is all my FC will hold.
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These are my current spawn. I've got the spawn production down cold. I can make jars all day long. Like I said, these are nine days old. (On a shelf, I don't bother finding a dark spot for them any more, thanks RR). But, damned me for fruiting...
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J3illy
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If you don't mind spending a few extra bucks, they make ready-to-use bulk subs that give awesome results at these sites right here. Great mix of ingredients and perfect moisture content, pasteurized and everything. I've seen what they can do, and it's serious. If you did things right w/ that spawn you could easily have a 1/2 lb dry.
www.weretheshit.com www.highmountaincompost.com
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Re: Spawn to Sub ratio [Re: J3illy]
#9292393 - 11/22/08 03:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would say only take one or two of your best colonizing jars and grain-to-grain them out to make more spawn. This will ensure your spawn will quickly dominate the substrate and not a competitor. Use the left overs (terminal jars) for a bulk.
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Re: Spawn to Sub ratio [Re: J3illy]
#9292440 - 11/22/08 03:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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If I can't get my shit, (pun intended), together over here, I may HAVE to. Problem is, I've got all the free horse manure I can gather. I've amassed all my needed ingredients, except for lime, which I will keep from needing by omitting a casing. The only thing that I can think of is my humidity. Maybe I didn't have "field capacity" correct? It seems easy enough though...(seems being the operative word here). Anywho, thanks for the replies.
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Re: Spawn to Sub ratio [Re: Elixier]
#9292466 - 11/22/08 03:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, Elixier, I thought that I would use four jars to bulk, and then G2G the other one. The only problem I run into is the transfers are usually ready BEFORE I have room to FC them. Too bad I didn't know another shroomerite who lived close by...
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Maybe I could put them in the fridge?
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Everywhere I go RogerRabbit seems to suggest that people with humidity issues use a cool mist o raise the ambient humidity in their grow room. Perhaps a higher baseline humidity [especially if you're in the desert] could help your perlite maintain a high RH.
Also, casing does help when you're dealing with slightly lower humidity, maybe you should give that a try.
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