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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: ]
    #929026 - 10/03/02 06:19 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

welcome back immaculate! i was wondering what had become of you... did you get my PM?


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: Adamist]
    #929073 - 10/03/02 06:36 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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few people are serious enough to do some scholarly research themselves, and prefer to base their as-of-yet-unformed belief-systems on books on the best seller list. 




This is soooo true man.  That's how I view McKenna's books.  I read some of them (true hallucinations and parts of others), but I just thought they were "stoner-talk" for the most part.  It seemed  like he was trying to brag about how "enlightened" he was and how the reader "could get there too".  You know?
few people are serious enough to do some scholarly research themselves, and prefer to base their as-of-yet-unformed belief-systems on books on the best seller list.


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You may say the Bible contains truth from God, but how do you know McKenna's books don't as well? Or any book, for that matter...



This kind of crap-doubt (nonconstructive) keeps good doubt out of the picture and allows one to swap reality for fantasy.  Instead, why don't you just use the "temporary belief system" method that Tool utilizes? (you ARE  fan of them, right? your avatar and all)

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Don't we all have a connection to the divine? Why look for truth only in Biblical texts when we have it inside ourselves? 




I think the divine truth really is in all of us, it's just hard to articulate.  Some of the us (lazy?) use other people's views of reality to articulate this divinity.  I choose to define my divine nature differently.  I feel it's more personal that way.  But hey, that's just me. :grin: 


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: sammy_jankis]
    #930020 - 10/04/02 12:27 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I wasn't saying that Terence McKenna was getting his information directly from God, but rather that who is to say what information is from God and what isn't? Shouldn't we instead take what we can from such books and filter out what we think to be true through our intuitive senses?


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: Adamist]
    #932693 - 10/04/02 07:45 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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but rather that who is to say what information is from God and what isn't?



Well, obviously, the pharisees... they've got ALL the answers.  :wink:

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Shouldn't we instead take what we can from such books and filter out what we think to be true through our intuitive senses?



Last time I checked, the author of the bible never did a book tour (but some family named Gideons sure has cornered the market in Bible sales to hotels, nuge  :grin:).  Ignore that, that's just my intuition talking. 


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: sammy_jankis]
    #932696 - 10/04/02 07:46 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Last time I checked, the author of the bible never did a book tour

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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: Sclorch]
    #934301 - 10/05/02 12:48 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

hmmm i don't know about the physical changing of our bodies, or all that. But i do believe we as humanity are in for some changes BIG BIG changes. How it will happen; know one could be completely accurate!

My belief is that we will just discover some simple knowledge that god is in self, and we (the people) don't EVER need religon or politics to govern us! Sure you need goverment to some degree but, it will be super limited. We may gain new abilitys llike teleknesiss (shit i dont know how to spell), or somthings like that.


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: johnnyfive]
    #936178 - 10/06/02 11:25 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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...we (the people) don't EVER need religon or politics to govern us!



**Gasp**  You mean we're endowed with the gift of reason and each one of us is inherently capable of making our own decisions?  How will we ever live without following orders? :confused: 


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.


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Re: Shroomism i need a question answered [Re: Evolving]
    #937788 - 10/06/02 11:07 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

:grin:

Quote: to Psilociter (or what ever name it was) Honestly where did you hear this?..there is no way ANYONE living on this planet knows what is going to happen to any of us..they may think they know but they really dont...i keep an open mind and always have ..but how can you be so sure? some of the worlds greatest minds have given their perspective on life and living.but they dont all agree with eachother..everyone has a different perception of reality..and thats a fact..you can see that in discussions on this forum..someone might agree with you but not 100%...thats why there are different religions..different cultures and so forth..and you say these things so matter of factly like god told you himself..some of what you said can be agreed with but somethings are from a part of you percieving the world through which only your eyes can see..where others are blind..and until everyone is looking through the same "eyes"..none of this will happen no matter how bad you want it to...thats just my 2 cents


(Johnnyfive Note:)So Very true dude, no body reallys knows the future 100% but we here at the shrommery dare to wounder :cool:! Also true  to say ones perception of this planet and the human existance,  to validate one and not another is wrong.


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