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LoveShroomDearly
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Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity...
#9288017 - 11/21/08 08:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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If time is a man made concept, how do animals know when to go work?
-------------------- What I do not know now, I will know when the time is right... This very moment is a shining expansion of the breathing universe, This exploding sensation of complete tranquility, The one, the all, the sweet bliss of tasting God. ---LoveShroomDearly a.k.a. LSD
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: LoveShroomDearly]
#9288045 - 11/21/08 08:17 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mickey Mouse watch?
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milkman
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9288158 - 11/21/08 08:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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animals just live they don't have work they eat when they're hungry and care for they're young when they have them occasionally go to that one fruit tree thats fermented and get a little drunk when momma doesn't come home on time but thats about it
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Booby
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: LoveShroomDearly]
#9288197 - 11/21/08 08:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I thought about this the other day; I thought that Time doesn't exist without a time-keeper who may have a bell or something.
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: LoveShroomDearly]
#9289158 - 11/21/08 11:27 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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time isn't time to animals, yet they exist within it
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: deranger]
#9289268 - 11/21/08 11:48 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Animals also struggle with the concept of Be-Bop.
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deranger
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9289362 - 11/22/08 12:04 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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who doesn't struggle with that nowadays?
i must be too young.
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jvm
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: deranger]
#9289488 - 11/22/08 12:30 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Instinct and time doesn't exist.
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deranger
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: jvm]
#9289536 - 11/22/08 12:37 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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why come?
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Coaster
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: deranger]
#9289544 - 11/22/08 12:40 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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all sea turtles congregate at the same time of the year, time is not meaningless to them they go by the lunar calendar as well
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deranger
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: Coaster]
#9289599 - 11/22/08 12:47 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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no shit eh
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jvm
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: Coaster]
#9289612 - 11/22/08 12:50 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Time doesn't exist because there was never a beginning nor will there be an end. If anything time can be reworded to anything to give us a perception of when something is. '13 moons until this. Until one thing changes we know its this and then will become that because that one thing changed'. Basically it's really hard to describe how time does not exist because it would be paradoxical in describing how time doesn't exist but still using time as an example to show time doesn't exist.
Its just used to document events. To keep us 'on track'. But i think we have an internal clock that has to do with instinct but does not relate to the 'time' we've created with numbers.
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: jvm]
#9289626 - 11/22/08 12:55 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
jvm said: Time doesn't exist
have you ever been in a state of timelessness?
coming back to time after being in a timeless state, time surely does exist. though not necessarily in a conceptual sense.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: deranger]
#9289634 - 11/22/08 12:56 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
have you ever been in a state of timelessness?
Have you ever waited in line at the DMV?
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deranger
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9289642 - 11/22/08 12:58 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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no, but i've waited in line at the PNE and time slowed quite the shite down.
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jvm
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: deranger]
#9289723 - 11/22/08 01:16 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah i have which is why i believe it doesn't exist. If my perception of time changes during any altered states it means time is created and only perceived and not literally there.
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deranger
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: jvm]
#9289731 - 11/22/08 01:18 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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so, are you saying, time is in the eye of the beholder?
if so, i would agree.
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jewunit
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: jvm]
#9290205 - 11/22/08 03:25 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well then surely my walls actually breathe too.
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demiu5
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: jewunit]
#9290644 - 11/22/08 09:08 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
jewunit said: Well then surely my walls actually breathe too.
one's eyes do not perceive time
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TrippinNinjaBuddha
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: demiu5]
#9290983 - 11/22/08 11:08 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Surely any perceived movement or motion witnessed by the eyes is a perception of time.
-------------------- Jumped in a river, what did I see? Black eyed angels swimming with me Moon full of stars and astral cars, all the figures I used to see All my lovers were there with me All my past and all my futures We went to heaven in a little rowboat There was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt
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LoveShroomDearly
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: Coaster]
#9291025 - 11/22/08 11:18 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Coaster said: all sea turtles congregate at the same time of the year, time is not meaningless to them they go by the lunar calendar as well
If time is not meaningless for a sea turtle does anything else have meaning or is time the sole cause of their existence?
-------------------- What I do not know now, I will know when the time is right... This very moment is a shining expansion of the breathing universe, This exploding sensation of complete tranquility, The one, the all, the sweet bliss of tasting God. ---LoveShroomDearly a.k.a. LSD
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AlteredAgain
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: LoveShroomDearly]
#9291110 - 11/22/08 11:38 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
LoveShroomDearly said: If time is a man made concept, how do animals know when to go work?
by fluctuations in experience. all time is change really.
man invented the clock, not time.
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LoveShroomDearly
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: AlteredAgain]
#9291300 - 11/22/08 12:27 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Would you invent a device that measures a concept that isn't your own?
-------------------- What I do not know now, I will know when the time is right... This very moment is a shining expansion of the breathing universe, This exploding sensation of complete tranquility, The one, the all, the sweet bliss of tasting God. ---LoveShroomDearly a.k.a. LSD
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: AlteredAgain]
#9291394 - 11/22/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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demiu5
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: TrippinNinjaBuddha]
#9291541 - 11/22/08 01:09 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
TrippinNinjaBuddha said: Surely any perceived movement or motion witnessed by the eyes is a perception of time.
no, it's a perception of motion. what organ or tissues do we have that functions to perceive time?
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redgreenvines
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: demiu5]
#9291649 - 11/22/08 01:28 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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cerebellum
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milkman
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: LoveShroomDearly]
#9292945 - 11/22/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
If time is not meaningless for a sea turtle does anything else have meaning or is time the sole cause of their existence?
Asking their sole cause of existence is like asking what your existence means. food? pleasure? who knows
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BlueCoyote
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: LoveShroomDearly]
#9295685 - 11/23/08 02:41 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Time is change/movement and the measurement of it is rhythm. Life lives primarily by it's internal rhythms in adjustment with the external rhythms, to keep it's internal rhythms rhythmic
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TrippinNinjaBuddha
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: demiu5]
#9296547 - 11/23/08 10:10 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Time is motion.
If you move faster, time speeds up. If you move slower, time slows down.
Time is motion.
-------------------- Jumped in a river, what did I see? Black eyed angels swimming with me Moon full of stars and astral cars, all the figures I used to see All my lovers were there with me All my past and all my futures We went to heaven in a little rowboat There was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: TrippinNinjaBuddha]
#9296554 - 11/23/08 10:12 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
TrippinNinjaBuddha said: If you move faster, time speeds up. If you move slower, time slows down.
orly? I thought it was the other way around...
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redgreenvines
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: DieCommie]
#9296600 - 11/23/08 10:27 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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passing moments leave a tiny trail onto the next one (later that is used by memory recall to link up with what happenned just before) our experiences seems like a fluid continuum, with little trails vanishing as the new moments unfold. we become accustommed to this pace, and form a sense of passing time.
sudden shifts allow a new procession of moments - we may recall that as a gap or jump in time.
but if we are emotional, dreamy, or intoxicated, then the tiny trails get wider, longer, and moments do not wash away so quickly in the stream of consciousness.
the sense of time passing becomes disrupted, no longer a continuum, past and future collide, time stands still, and events leap out of time and ahead of time.
otherwise, as far as the cerebellum goes, it is a very highly accurate bank of timers that can be accessed for muscle coordination, expectation, and synchronization.
I think music composers can hear and fiddle with the cerebellum in ways that the rest of us can only imagine; mathematicians can hook into it too and even painters and scuptors use this bank of tuned resonators to make each stroke and cut mean most.
in that way time/timing is very organic; and by way of mental states (emotions, dreams ec.) we live in and out of a familar time base.
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: LoveShroomDearly]
#9302052 - 11/24/08 03:11 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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-------------------- Goodbye Shroomery.
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Re: Tick Tock -- Seconds pass, minutes, years, eons, eternity... [Re: figmentfragment]
#9302512 - 11/24/08 08:07 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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From a play I wrote:
Act I, Scene 3
The clockmaker is growing old and weak. In his final days he shows his youngest son the ways of his business in hopes that his son might continue his work.
Clockmaker: Son, yes, come to me here, I will give to you some secrets dear, The order of the masters clock, The fighting springs turning tick to tock, Behold, the main coil, would with precision, Against it, the hairspring, to help its decision, At war with themselves, their actions are constant, And on and on, we wind or they can’t.
Son: Dear father, humor me with a question, Of what makes time, to which we listen? Is it the clock, whose tick makes tock, Or is it you who made the parts interlock, Or further, is it just the change, The speed at which bits interrange?
Clockmaker: Time is none of these, my son, A meaning of time with words can have none, You must remember, but never boil, To be consistent is how we toil, Our clocks may never show time complete, But we try our best for that rhythmic beat.
Son: I feel your words are wise, dear father, But I cannot help to ask, why bother? Can we ever admit we won’t be perfect? And no matter the try, we are all licked.
Clockmaker: Worry not, my son, for it is our duty, Because its all is a thing of beauty, Perfection, which our clocks might not achieve, But to admit defeat would be to deceive. It may be natural to not know the whole truth, But feeling hopeless is a sin of youth, We must strive to be better, so others might too, And become to add to what you and I do, So tell me son, before I expire, Have I made your situation dire?
Son: Dire, no, you have not hardly, But no dad, I’ll not be tardy, Your work is mine, and for those who need it, I will always try harder as I see fit, Thank you, father, for you have taught me, That with time the better is always brought free.
Clockmaker: Indeed. My son, now I must leave you, Save your tears, they all deceive you, I will be just fine, but my will be done.
The clockmaker resigns, for now.
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