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Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone
#9284805 - 11/21/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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What are all of these people chasing? It's nearly funny. In droves, like flocks of blind sheep, they mindlessly adhere to silly desires, silly norms, silly commandments. Is it real? I'm almost afraid to trip anymore... I'm tired of awareness.
Sadly, it so often seems that no one is engaging in self-expression, no one is living in the present moment, no one is enjoying being alive and breathing. Thinking outside of the box now means you voted for a particular candidate. What freedom, what intellectualism.
Do you believe what I am experiencing is paranoia, or is this a universal feeling or thought process that some people occasionally experience throughout their lives? Is it fuel for the fire of creativity, or fuel for the fire of depression?
It feels that in reality I am more near to the truth. Despite a proliferation of technology, science, art, history, medicine, etc. the majority our fellow humans are still primordial soup, being sucked into meme games of wealth, success, and distraction. It seems there has genuinely been an increase in materialism, greed, and selfishness--on both a global and personal level.
I'm still somewhat grounded and easily able to acknowledge that how one lives their life is an individual choice--one that is subjective and relative to many different factors. The irony is that a person may look at me and feel that I am a waste of life, though I feel the same about them.
Sanity doesn't come without a cost.
Terence Mckenna once made a good point by saying that those who are not tempted by cultural illusions will have the liberty of an expanded consciousness, but will consequently deal with alienation and loneliness.
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: Arden]
#9284861 - 11/21/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is it fuel for the fire of creativity, or fuel for the fire of depression?
Either
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: Arden]
#9284899 - 11/21/08 12:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Basically I agree. Unfortunately it's quite likely that we who consider ourselves outsiders looking in are not really as different as we think or wish we were. Cultural programs are not easily eliminated and we have them. Most of the difference is that we are aware that we are programmed.
You bring up a point that I have thought about a lot. Because of the dysfunction of my childhood I was sort of forced out of the mainstream. Then when I took psychedelics I saw even further afield. I thought it would be of help in my eventual happiness. But really I feel almost completely ill at ease with culture and humanity. (rare exceptions) This is really not what I choose, this world, this culture. I have to try and make do. Eventually that may not work.
While I agree we all have an individual choice in life, most of us may not be willing or able to make a choice because of the programs we have in our makeup. In other words we are trapped in our dysfunctions.
IMO no one is completely sane. Most are mostly insane.
I have very different outlook from most people like you do. I can take being around most humans for about five minutes. This is my dysfunction, however it might be better than being a true believer. It's hard to say how it feels being them.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: Arden]
#9285524 - 11/21/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ignorance is bliss, for some.
I choose liberation in the form of alienation from the herd.
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: Arden]
#9286099 - 11/21/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Arden said: What are all of these people chasing? It's nearly funny. In droves, like flocks of blind sheep, they mindlessly adhere to silly desires, silly norms, silly commandments. Is it real? I'm almost afraid to trip anymore... I'm tired of awareness.
Sadly, it so often seems that no one is engaging in self-expression, no one is living in the present moment, no one is enjoying being alive and breathing. Thinking outside of the box now means you voted for a particular candidate. What freedom, what intellectualism.
Do you believe what I am experiencing is paranoia, or is this a universal feeling or thought process that some people occasionally experience throughout their lives? Is it fuel for the fire of creativity, or fuel for the fire of depression?
It feels that in reality I am more near to the truth. Despite a proliferation of technology, science, art, history, medicine, etc. the majority our fellow humans are still primordial soup, being sucked into meme games of wealth, success, and distraction. It seems there has genuinely been an increase in materialism, greed, and selfishness--on both a global and personal level.
I'm still somewhat grounded and easily able to acknowledge that how one lives their life is an individual choice--one that is subjective and relative to many different factors. The irony is that a person may look at me and feel that I am a waste of life, though I feel the same about them.
Sanity doesn't come without a cost.
Terence Mckenna once made a good point by saying that those who are not tempted by cultural illusions will have the liberty of an expanded consciousness, but will consequently deal with alienation and loneliness.
I feel you. The feelings of alienation and loneliness come through attachment and association with these clones (hate to categorize) IMO. Being self-employed is quite the pleasure - nobody to impose their beliefs on me, nobody to judge me for how I express myself, nobody to project their negativity on my psyche, etc.
It's all inwards now. I am insane, yet I am not. I am not afraid to recognize this. And I am not afraid of the madness that is to come.
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: deranger]
#9287374 - 11/21/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I will reply to these comments at a later time. Just wanted to say thanks for the responses. It really helps a lot, whatever that may mean.
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: deCypher]
#9287404 - 11/21/08 06:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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deCypher said: I choose liberation in the form of alienation from the herd.
if only we could all be alienated from the herd, together
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: deranger]
#9287443 - 11/21/08 06:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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but, i guess that's what the shroomery is for
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: deranger]
#9288021 - 11/21/08 08:11 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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You have not left the herd at all, merely moved to another pasture and joined another herd.
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9288080 - 11/21/08 08:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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a coooooooler herd, maaaan
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: deranger]
#9288096 - 11/21/08 08:25 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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*sigh* Thought we covered this about a trillion times.
Name one group who doesn't think their herd is the best.
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9288113 - 11/21/08 08:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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what's this got to do with who's best?
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9288191 - 11/21/08 08:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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And here we see the inevitable conflict between subjective and objective judgement.
How 'bout a group of depressives?
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: deCypher]
#9288223 - 11/21/08 08:52 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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More impressive is a group of loners...
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9288230 - 11/21/08 08:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Conformity in nonconformity?
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: deCypher]
#9288234 - 11/21/08 08:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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deCypher said: How 'bout a group of depressives?
not cool.
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: deranger]
#9288242 - 11/21/08 08:56 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nekked lesbos in a hot tub?
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9288249 - 11/21/08 08:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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you and your zen koans
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9288264 - 11/21/08 09:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lesbos are overrated... usually they don't live up to my cinematic expectations of excellence and they don't like guys, meaning my chances of scoring with them are next to nil.
Young, nubile, bi-curious women are where it's at.
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: deranger]
#9288270 - 11/21/08 09:02 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: deCypher]
#9288287 - 11/21/08 09:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I thought we were discussing herds and groups and suddenly it is all about your sexual preferences?
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: deCypher]
#9288288 - 11/21/08 09:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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deCypher said: Lesbos are overrated... usually they don't live up to my cinematic expectations of excellence and they don't like guys, meaning my chances of scoring with them are next to nil.
gotta detach from the urge to sex, and just sit back and watch. and maybe something else too.
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9288497 - 11/21/08 09:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey, a herd has to start from somewhere.
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: deCypher]
#9288781 - 11/21/08 10:24 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey, a heard has to start from somewhere.
Aural sex?
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9288856 - 11/21/08 10:34 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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you dig the hippie new age chicks?
they are fun in bed
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: deranger]
#9316157 - 11/26/08 11:03 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I came across these yesterday and thought they were very appropriate for the theme of this thread:
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche
I am not eccentric. It's just that I am more alive than most people. I am an unpopular electric eel set in a pond of goldfish. - Dame Edith Sitwell
I was part of that strange race of people aptly described as spending their lives doing things they detest to make money they don't want to buy things they don't need to impress people they dislike. - Emile Henry Gauvreau
The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think that it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly coloured, and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question - is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us. They say 'Hey! Don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride.' And we...kill those people. We have a lot invested in this ride. - Bill Hicks
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: Arden]
#9316182 - 11/26/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: Arden]
#9316190 - 11/26/08 11:13 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Arden said: What are all of these people chasing? It's nearly funny. In droves, like flocks of blind sheep, they mindlessly adhere to silly desires, silly norms, silly commandments. Is it real? I'm almost afraid to trip anymore... I'm tired of awareness.
Sadly, it so often seems that no one is engaging in self-expression, no one is living in the present moment, no one is enjoying being alive and breathing. Thinking outside of the box now means you voted for a particular candidate. What freedom, what intellectualism.
Do you believe what I am experiencing is paranoia, or is this a universal feeling or thought process that some people occasionally experience throughout their lives? Is it fuel for the fire of creativity, or fuel for the fire of depression?
It feels that in reality I am more near to the truth. Despite a proliferation of technology, science, art, history, medicine, etc. the majority our fellow humans are still primordial soup, being sucked into meme games of wealth, success, and distraction. It seems there has genuinely been an increase in materialism, greed, and selfishness--on both a global and personal level.
I'm still somewhat grounded and easily able to acknowledge that how one lives their life is an individual choice--one that is subjective and relative to many different factors. The irony is that a person may look at me and feel that I am a waste of life, though I feel the same about them.
Sanity doesn't come without a cost.
Terence Mckenna once made a good point by saying that those who are not tempted by cultural illusions will have the liberty of an expanded consciousness, but will consequently deal with alienation and loneliness.
Would you say that drugs have become your control mechanism for awareness? Your post is a series of conflicting statements.
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: vampirism]
#9319893 - 11/26/08 10:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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What about psychedelics? Have they become a force that expels people from the herd?
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: ridebaja]
#9327416 - 11/28/08 01:58 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Would you say that drugs have become your control mechanism for awareness? Your post is a series of conflicting statements.
Please elaborate. I don't see it.
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Re: Among the Sleeping Clones, We Walk Alone [Re: Arden]
#9327455 - 11/28/08 02:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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What about psychedelics? Have they become a force that expels people from the herd?
I think they help people to at least realize the existence of a herd mentality, and possibly provide inspiration for an individual to deviate from the inherent norms. It certainly isn't a panacea, otherwise we could spike the water system and be through with it... of course, then we are just reorganizing a new herd. It's ironic. It seems the hive collective is innate in human consciousness, and much of cross-cultural psychology research seems to indicate this. Which, on an emotional level, an acknowledgment of this doesn't remove the frustration or ennui.
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