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InvisibleIcelander
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Sense
    #9284739 - 11/21/08 11:40 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I used to be a religious crazy. I gave it up as it didn't make sense.

I was a new age true believer. I gave it up as it didn't make sense

I really don't think science has any important answers for us but it does have value.

That leaves logic. My attempt at logic says there is only Tao and being self aware, which causes death anxiety. Nothing fun or comforting here. But then there's hedonism and living for the moment.

This may be the ace in the whole.

And.. it makes sense.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Sense [Re: Icelander]
    #9285600 - 11/21/08 01:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hedonism will bring misery because every thing you indulge in will eventually leave you, its fun for a while for sure but you cant find lasting satisfaction & fulfillment in it, many lifetimes worth but not eternal fulfillment

how does self awareness & tao cause death anxiety?

Imo if you had really explored the Tao & who you are in relation to it then you wouldnt think that "nothing fun or comforting here" because its the most incredible, this isn't just my opinion, beings have been saying it for thousands of years, its the highest

If you really think temporary happyness is better then infinite bliss...whatever floats your boat...

Enjoy yourself in the wolrd until it can no longer be the source of your enjoyment, exaughst your hedonism

It may sound nihilistic to live without the world as your source of enjoyment, but when you live from that place, you bring enjoyment to the world, not the other way round...

:peace:


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Re: Sense [Re: Chronic7]
    #9285770 - 11/21/08 02:17 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Chronic777 said:

[the tao]'s the most incredible, this isn't just my opinion, beings have been saying it for thousands of years, its the highest

If you really think temporary happyness is better then infinite bliss...whatever floats your boat...

:peace:




Is this not really just hedonism? Infinite bliss sounds like hedonism to me. Of course most people mean something else by hedonism but, if you get back to definitions...


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Re: Sense [Re: Chronic7]
    #9285920 - 11/21/08 02:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Chronic777 said:
Hedonism will bring misery because every thing you indulge in will eventually leave you, its fun for a while for sure but you cant find lasting satisfaction & fulfillment in it, many lifetimes worth but not eternal fulfillment




you're missing out on some of the definitions of hedonism :wink:


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Re: Sense [Re: Chronic7]
    #9286001 - 11/21/08 02:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Chronic777 said:
Hedonism will bring misery because every thing you indulge in will eventually leave you, its fun for a while for sure but you cant find lasting satisfaction & fulfillment in it, many lifetimes worth but not eternal fulfillment





Hedonism is about maximizing pleasure and minimizing suffering.

Whether it brings misery or not depends on your level of skill at living.  Some only bumble around with drugs or gambling, others find more hedonistic value in self-acceptance and mindfulness.  Seeking pleasure does not necessarily equate to attachment to pleasure, or aversion to suffering.


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Re: Sense [Re: Chronic7]
    #9286129 - 11/21/08 03:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hedonism will bring misery because every thing you indulge in will eventually leave you,

Hedonism need have nothing to do with indulging. You are giving pleasure a bad rap.

Yes everything is impermanent and the hedonist knows it and takes extreme pleasure in the moment whenever possible.

The Tao makes no promise of infinite bliss. Where did you come by that one?

Nihilists and hedonists are very compatible.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Sense [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #9286140 - 11/21/08 03:29 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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WhiskeyClone said:
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Chronic777 said:
Hedonism will bring misery because every thing you indulge in will eventually leave you, its fun for a while for sure but you cant find lasting satisfaction & fulfillment in it, many lifetimes worth but not eternal fulfillment





Hedonism is about maximizing pleasure and minimizing suffering.

Whether it brings misery or not depends on your level of skill at living.  Some only bumble around with drugs or gambling, others find more hedonistic value in self-acceptance and mindfulness.  Seeking pleasure does not necessarily equate to attachment to pleasure, or aversion to suffering.




Right the fuck on.:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Sense [Re: Icelander]
    #9289551 - 11/22/08 12:41 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

"Pure logical thinking cannot yield us any knowledge of the empirical world. All knowledge of reality starts from experience and ends in it."

Address the IDEAS, not the poster. ~V


Edited by Veritas (11/24/08 10:33 AM)


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Re: Sense [Re: Icelander]
    #9290289 - 11/22/08 04:34 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry i always thought hedonism was indulging the senses in as many external pleasures as possible??? Sex power money cars food drugs...

Anything that teaches you to seek happyness outside yourself is mistaken imo, & unless im incorrect hedonism teaches you to go after sensory pleasures no?




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Re: Sense [Re: Chronic7]
    #9290626 - 11/22/08 09:02 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

If everything is impermenant then surely we should look to having as much pleasure in the moment as possible. However i'm personally in disagreement on that one. I try to work towards long term goals for moments of extreme pleasure rather than getting constant average pleasure, if that makes sense?

Living completely in the moment doesn't make sense to me as a method of living. You have to look to the future otherwise you're gonna skip work today lose your job and you won't be able to afford to go to the gig next week. Living completely in the moment seems silly to me and i dont think anyone really does it, except maybe eckhart tolle "I quit my job and sat on a park bench for two years." lol yeh great mate nice one :thumbup:.

I for one would rather have a job and afford to be able to buy some weed this weekend and go out with my mates and experience the world. I wanna go on holiday next year much more than i don't want to go to work now (i have a shit job atm). I could make an analogy of this to mushrooms you have an unpleasant time and throw yourself into bad emotion in order to feel better about yourself later.


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Re: Sense [Re: Icelander]
    #9290664 - 11/22/08 09:13 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I dont see a problem with hedonism.

Whatever makes you happy it's your life no one elses.


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Re: Sense [Re: awesomebastard]
    #9291791 - 11/22/08 01:50 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

This is how I feel. But I must remember that my freedom stops where yours begins.


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Re: Sense [Re: Icelander]
    #9291803 - 11/22/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

My freedom extends over the entire planet.



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Re: Sense [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9291861 - 11/22/08 01:58 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hue? is that you?


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Re: Sense [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9291896 - 11/22/08 02:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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My freedom extends over the entire planet.






that's the second time this month i've seen you post that pic.

come on now.  i've seen enough destruction as it is.


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Re: Sense [Re: Icelander]
    #9291915 - 11/22/08 02:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Hue? is that you?




Better not make any more Kentucky/Deliverance jokes. :nono:


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Re: Sense [Re: Chronic7]
    #9292096 - 11/22/08 02:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Sorry i always thought hedonism was indulging the senses in as many external pleasures as possible??? Sex power money cars food drugs...

Anything that teaches you to seek happyness outside yourself is mistaken imo, & unless im incorrect hedonism teaches you to go after sensory pleasures no?




Who's to say that sensory pleasures are "outside yourself?"

Spiritualism seems to negate itself if it demands focus on experience internal to the mind of the material body - shouldn't we be dissolving boundaries between "internal" and "external?"


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Re: Sense [Re: zannennagara]
    #9295754 - 11/23/08 03:18 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hedonism is definately the right way.. it is the only way.. hedonism means having pleasure as your goal. Everyone wants pleasure. We just seek it in different ways. Eg some ppl deny themselves pleasure so that they can receive pleasure in the afterlife. Other people just get sensory pleasures and expose themselves right now.

and yet other people set up their life so that they are working toward a life that can support the most pleasure possible, while they are alive.

this means slaving yourself so that you can earn enough for a comfortable home.

If you aknowlege you are working for the final result, you aknowlege you are a hedonist.

but some people work for a good house because they are taught that it is the right thing.

they do not learn to appreciate what they are actually working toward and then they end up with all this money and stuff and they dont know what to do with it so they just keep going with what pleasured them the most - fullfilling their ideals, and earning more and more


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Re: Sense [Re: Chronic7]
    #9296914 - 11/23/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Hedonism will bring misery because every thing you indulge in will eventually leave you, its fun for a while for sure but you cant find lasting satisfaction & fulfillment in it, many lifetimes worth but not eternal fulfillment

how does self awareness & tao cause death anxiety?

Imo if you had really explored the Tao & who you are in relation to it then you wouldnt think that "nothing fun or comforting here" because its the most incredible, this isn't just my opinion, beings have been saying it for thousands of years, its the highest

If you really think temporary happyness is better then infinite bliss...whatever floats your boat...

Enjoy yourself in the wolrd until it can no longer be the source of your enjoyment, exaughst your hedonism

It may sound nihilistic to live without the world as your source of enjoyment, but when you live from that place, you bring enjoyment to the world, not the other way round...

:peace:




Indulgence and attachment are not mutually inclusive


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People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion. --Albert Einstein


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Re: Sense [Re: Icelander]
    #9298011 - 11/23/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Isn't tao and living in the moment one in the same?


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It provides for all people
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a man is loath to go
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