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Re: Your opinions (pistols) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9282339 - 11/20/08 10:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Lefty, you said the 7mm mag is a beast...Since it has the 270 bullet basically with a massive cartridge...

Check out my friends dads hunting rifle...30-378

270 bullet with god knows how much powder.




check out the .950 JDJ

each bullet is hand turned from a brass billet, the rifle
that fires it weighs almost 100lbs and still has to be fire
from a mount because of the recoil






Oh yea they definitely get larger. I was speaking in terms of a hunting rifle, but damn that thing is massive. I have never seen anything quite that big. :awesome:


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Re: Your opinions (pistols) [Re: MHbound]
    #9282495 - 11/20/08 11:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I'm thinking .38  revolver loaded with glasers (don't need to kill my neighbors), and a 12 gauge loaded with birdshot (same reason).

I'd hate to have anything jam on me ever, and I shave with a straight razor, got a preference for antiques.

Anything retarded about this?

-Edit: Minus sawed off, fuck the legal issues.


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Re: Your opinions (pistols) [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #9282516 - 11/20/08 11:33 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Like I said earlier, I'd love to get my hands on a few rounds of Glaser Safety Slugs.

Nowadays they are frangible metal slugs. Back in the day they used a encapsulated liquid teflon with lead shot suspended.

Apparently they cause very large shallow wounds.


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Re: Your opinions (pistols) [Re: MHbound]
    #9282526 - 11/20/08 11:35 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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damn that thing is massive. I have never seen anything quite that big. :awesome:





that's what yer mom said :grin:

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Re: Your opinions (pistols) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9282538 - 11/20/08 11:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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damn that thing is massive. I have never seen anything quite that big. :awesome:





that's what yer mom said :grin:




:rofl:

I'll have to ask her about this encounter with the Prisoner #1, and his big German rabbit.


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Re: Your opinions (pistols) [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #9282552 - 11/20/08 11:39 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Apparently they cause very large shallow wounds.





glassers are easy to get, unfortunately the idea of shooting
someone and not killing them is very unappealing to me, last
thing I want is to be sued by the guy that was trying to kill
me for hurting him

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Re: Your opinions (pistols) [Re: MHbound]
    #9282561 - 11/20/08 11:41 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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damn that thing is massive. I have never seen anything quite that big. :awesome:





that's what yer mom said :grin:




:rofl:

I'll have to ask her about this encounter with the Prisoner #1, and his big German rabbit.




I was showing off my 71 olds delta 88

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Re: Your opinions (pistols) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9282628 - 11/20/08 11:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Apparently they cause very large shallow wounds.





glassers are easy to get, unfortunately the idea of shooting
someone and not killing them is very unappealing to me, last
thing I want is to be sued by the guy that was trying to kill
me for hurting him




One in the chest and one in the head. No lawsuits, no problems.

Everyone always says that wounding a home intruder will lead to a lawsuit and in a few instances it has, but it's EXTREMELY unlikely these days that a judge would even take a case of a burglar that was threatening the lives of the homeowners that was wounded by the homeowner while breaking into their house.

In my opinion it's all just fluff.


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Re: Your opinions (pistols) [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #9282767 - 11/21/08 12:40 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

except being frangible they may not do a hell of a lot, by
their design they're suppose to create shallow wounds with
lots of trauma, they may not break through a rib cage and
probably will be less effective than a .22 short against
the skull






the last thing you want is someone coming back for revenge
after you shot them and sent them to prison, any cop will
tell you, dead men cant testify, if you pull that trigger,
make sure your intent is to kill

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Re: Your opinions (pistols) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9282778 - 11/21/08 12:44 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Against the skull anything traveling at 900+ fps is bound to penetrate. Frangible or not.

And I agree with the shoot to kill mantra. If you are defending yourself, your home and your family against a threat, all bets are off. It's either them or me at that point.

I was just wondering exactly what a glaser would do to someone.

No doubt if someone entered my home and I had the chance to fire upon them, it's shoot to kill.

But if they are on the ground alive and incapacitated I certainly wouldn't fire on them to finish the job. In my state that would probably be 2nd degree murder or at least manslaughter.


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Re: Your opinions (pistols) [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #9282820 - 11/21/08 12:52 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Who would tell the courts that you killed them after they had given up and fallen??

You better kill that fucker, or get in to witness protection.


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Re: Your opinions (pistols) [Re: MHbound]
    #9282845 - 11/21/08 12:56 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Forensics would be able to tell that the round to the face was not inflicted in a standing position.

End of story.


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Re: Your opinions (pistols) [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #9282849 - 11/21/08 12:58 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yea you could say he was down, and still reaching for his gun and you lost it...This is assuming he had a gun.

I'm sorry, but I would have to. If they tried to get me for murder.........I don't know what I would do. No politician would be safe I know that much.


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Re: Your opinions (pistols) [Re: MHbound]
    #9282875 - 11/21/08 01:04 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Personally if I were ever in the position, I would shoot to incapacitate. I don't want to kill someone as much as the next guy. Can you imagine how much that would fuck with you, even if the shot was justified? That's why lots of cops take their lives.

And by all means, if I had fired and the guy was on the ground and still presenting a threat, I would fire again until he presented no significant problems.

I would much rather stop a threat than kill them. But if it takes killing the guy to stop the threat, I'm all hands on board.


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Re: Your opinions (pistols) [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #9283018 - 11/21/08 01:39 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, man I think about it all the time. My sister is a police officer, and what would you have to live with even if you were just protecting yourself?? It would mess me up for life, but if you come in my home and I believe you have any intent to harm me at that particular moment I would have no problem killing someone.

Not to say the next morning I would probably be in a psychiatrists office, but I would still do it. I have been put in the situation in a sense before when someone tried to break it, and my first reaction as a 13 yr old was to grab my gun. I was scared, I was alone, fuck man I didn't know what to do, and if it would have come down to it I really believe I would shoot to kill.

I don't want to, and I would hate myself for it but protecting myself and others would win that battle in my head no doubt.


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Re: Your opinions (pistols) [Re: MHbound]
    #9283059 - 11/21/08 01:50 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I would spend a long time in the psychiatrists office if I ever had to kill someone.

Especially since the only thing I have is a .17hmr. It would be a pretty drawn out ordeal if the dude was just taking chest shots.

I would need some counseling if it took me 5+ rounds to secure my home and the guy took a month to die.

I need that CZ 2075 RAMI quick... But then again in the last 7 years of living at my house, the most threatened I've felt was when my neighbor decided to bulldoze all his trees to create a 20' x 20' coi pond.


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Re: Your opinions (pistols) [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #9283070 - 11/21/08 01:53 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Against the skull anything traveling at 900+ fps is bound to penetrate. Frangible or not.





designed not to penetrate sheet rock but capable of
penetrating the skull... the xrays show what they're
incapable of doing



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I don't want to kill someone as much as the next guy. Can you imagine how much that would fuck with you, even if the shot was justified? That's why lots of cops take their lives.




shooting some one does have a lasting effect, it's something
you never forget, you do get over it just as cops do, cops
that shoot themselves do it because they're weak, they're
emotionally disturbed, they allow the pressures from the job
go home with them, it wrecks their marriage, they beat their
wives and they know it's just a matter of time before they
end up in front of that judge as the defendant, it's not
because they shot someone in the line of duty



15 shots isnt uncommon when someone is in a panic situation,
lots of people empty the gun and keep trying to shoot, it's
when you reload and keep firing that they deem there to be a
serious problem


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I would much rather stop a threat than kill them. But if it takes killing the guy to stop the threat, I'm all hands on board.




until they're dead they are a threat, it doesnt have to be
immediate, like I said, testifying in court against you in
your self defense trial is just one of many ways, you say he
broke in, he says you invited him over, you started getting a
little weird, you wanted to leave, you shot him, it's called
reasonable doubt, it's enough to get a conviction and he
could walk free

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