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 Why does the universe like equilibrium? 
#9283043 - 11/21/08 01:47 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9283084 - 11/21/08 01:57 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because all things tend back to one thing. That's the law of the universe - everything's the same, and so any apart will try to become the same over time.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: burgatory]
#9283089 - 11/21/08 01:58 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm confused
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9283320 - 11/21/08 03:05 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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maybe the universe likes equilibrium because it depends on it to exist
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9283346 - 11/21/08 03:22 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm confused
Well, imagine there's One thing, behind all the forms, as stated in Eastern tradition. If there's One thing, then what are all the forms going to do? Would it make more sense if they came together or fell apart?
Look at it from the perspective of Ken Wilber's involution and evolution of Spirit - imagine everything is Spirit and it's trying to realise/get back to itself. Naturally, that would create something like gravity and thermodynamics- rather, that would be a byproduct of the universe trying to become whole again.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9283734 - 11/21/08 07:38 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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imo because the universe itself as a whole is in equilibrium, the things in it seek equilibrium
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Chronic7]
#9283907 - 11/21/08 08:46 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Equilibrium is an idea.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9283956 - 11/21/08 08:59 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't know the Universe had likes and dislikes? You learn something everyday. (even if what you learn is incorrect)
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Icelander]
#9283973 - 11/21/08 09:03 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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The universe would be in a dynamic steady state, not an equilibrium, geeze.
In all seriousness though it is just the balance of nature. Entropy is always increasing, and nature and life are leading the push back.
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Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Icelander]
#9285223 - 11/21/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well if im wrong about the universe liking equilibrium explain to me why it doesn't because it seems to me that it does, that everything in the universe strives for equilibrium. This is just my objective observation tho, if anyone thinks something different chime in, im curious about what you have to say.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9285250 - 11/21/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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It may do it and I'm not addressing that but to say the Universe "likes" something is a bit anthropomorphic don't you think?
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Icelander]
#9285280 - 11/21/08 12:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes i agree, but from my own observation there are always two sides to everything, and the universe likes to balance them out.
Life-Death
Bright-Dark
ect ect you know what im getting at. The universe seems to have two different extremes of something, and it has them balance each other out.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9285307 - 11/21/08 12:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the Universe likes Chocolate cake. 
Your question is unanswerable as stated IMO.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Icelander]
#9285363 - 11/21/08 12:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the universe likes vanilla 
see what im sayin.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9285390 - 11/21/08 01:03 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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The universe doesn't like equilibrium it would not exist.
It 'likes' to be slightly off-center to remain in motion.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9285534 - 11/21/08 01:24 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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To say that the Universe "likes" anything is to anthropomorphize a non-human entity.
Everything tends towards equilibrium automatically; no need to include human desires or motivations in with the mix.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: deCypher]
#9285606 - 11/21/08 01:40 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Any intelligent system has preferences.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: deCypher]
#9285607 - 11/21/08 01:40 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Universe hates a smart-ass. 
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Middleman]
#9285609 - 11/21/08 01:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you saying the Universe is intelligent?
Can you give a precise definition of intelligence?
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: deCypher]
#9285643 - 11/21/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think Intelligence is something an organism can have and wisdom is an anthropogenic quality.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: deCypher]
#9285875 - 11/21/08 02:36 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everything tends towards equilibrium automatically
http://blogs.southflorida.com/citylink_dansweeney/_39902518_shanemagowan.jpg
Shane Mcgowan of the Pogues??
Thats a fairly obviously overtly sweeping generalisation, and deserves to be ridiculed as much as possible.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: mr_kite]
#9285992 - 11/21/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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By ridiculing a post you only bring balance to the message board.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: deCypher]
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9286119 - 11/21/08 03:25 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Equilibrium is not a state which anything SEEKS to be in, it simply is the most probable macroscopic state. Actually exponentially more probable. This "exponentially" is very important since because of it everything seems to always be in or tend to equilibrium. That is all, you may skip the rest of the post if you don't seek convoluted explanations.
First we need to distinguish between microscopic and macroscopic states: if you have one million atoms with each of them described by a certain number of parameters (classically, for point-like particles, this number is 6 because you have 3 coordinates for positions and 3 coordinates for momentum, quantum mechanically it is the number of quantum numbers needed to completely specify a state of a particle), then you would need 6 millions numbers to specify a particular microscopic state of your system. On the other hand, what we perceive in our everyday life, the macroscopic state of our system, may be specified by incredibly less parameters, for example temperature and pressure. Therefore we expect it is possible that many different microscopic states give the same macroscopic state; there may be a thousand different microscopic ways to bring about the same temperature and pressure one feels. (Actually these numbers a astronomically bigger, of the order of 10^23)
So, by simply counting the amount of microscopic states that give the same macroscopic state, you see that one such class of microscopic states is much bigger than all the others, and therefore it is incredibly more probable to be in such a state. This is the macroscopic equilibrium state. Entropy is a logarithmic measure of how big such a class is. If there is a difference of 50 entropy units between two macroscopic states, then the one with 50 entropy units more than the other is made up of approximately 2^50 times, that is more or less one trillion times, more microscopic states than the first, and therefore it is a trillion times more probable to find your system in such a higher entropy state.
The "liking" of the equilibrium state is simply that over time, the system is much more likely, actually exponentially more likely, to spend most of its time in any of these microscopic states which give the same macroscopic "equilibrium" state. There is no intent, only statistical obviousness.
But to go back the the main question, most part of the universe are actually far from equilibrium because there are energy and matter flux everywhere, shuffling stuff around and moderately amplifying fluctuations everywhere, pushing the system in many states which are no necessarily the most probable, or equilibrium, ones, and as a whole there is no way to actually know whether the universe is in equilibrium or not, as for one thing it seems to be expanding. At best it is an ill-formulated question.
There is no intent, only the law of large numbers. Blame the latter if you wish.
Edited by deimya (11/21/08 03:32 PM)
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9286148 - 11/21/08 03:29 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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The universe 'likes' (or has in has an affinity towards) equilibrium because the universe strives to be energetic and this stale concept is the reason there is such a dynamic existence.
For example, as the universe tends to seek this equilibrium properties are exchanged (ie moisture is drawn to dry region) in an attempt to make all equal. These changes result in an unbalance of other properties (ie this introduction of moisture changes the specific heat of the material making it cooler). This imbalance is preceded by an affinity to once again become steady state, changing other properties (ie giving up heat which causes thermal constriction)...and so on always changing but never fully reaching a content state. This ensures an always changing universe.
So, seemingly contradictory, this boring concept of equilibrium is the cause of our interesting reality.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: deimya]
#9286169 - 11/21/08 03:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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That was interesting
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9289350 - 11/22/08 12:01 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bump
How does Occams Razor fit into the desire for equilibrium
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9295918 - 11/23/08 04:27 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont think it does. occams razor involves explinations. maybe if you had an explination for equilibrium, you could put it to the occam test.
but you wont get anywhere by using terms like 'like' or 'strive' for nonconscious systems.
if you believe the universe is conscious, then you have you answer - the universe just likes equilibrium.
but if you dont believe the universe is conscious, then you get into problems when using the word 'like' or 'strive'.
these words imply an ends. they imply that some idealised state or 'end' or 'result' is included along with the emotion of desire or determination.
an equilibirium is not THERE in the universe, with the universe drifting toward it.
the equilibrium is our human way of marking a destination of the predicted stablisation of an interacting system.
equilibrium between A and B occurs when there is excess energy in A, and its most direct flow is to B. Also, the energy must not be able to flow directly out to C, so it can only really flow back to A.
the flow from A to B is proportional to the difference in A and B. so first, A is very full and B is not. So energy flows from A to B at a high rate, and then because of intertial forces, continues to flow, leading B to be fuller than A, but not by much, so a little bit of energy flows back to A but in doing so, A get a bit more full , and eventually, the amount going back and forth is smaller than our tools of significant measurement, and this is considered the equilibrium.
an equilibrium is an asymptote, however. in mathematics, we treat asymptotes as if they reach 0 at infinity. but they actually dont. but for all intents and purposes, they do. equilibrium is like this.
The whole universe is likely trying to reach an equilibrium since the beginning of time, the first stone dropped in the pond. the ripples will never dissapear but eventually the pond will be more or less ready for another stone to be dropped. This initial distrubance might be thought of as 'om', a notion in the hundi religions which was the original vibration which resonates for through everything, and forms everything. whether or not you believe in the hindu Om, Om also represents a scientific notion - the first discernable disturbance in the universe (if there was one)
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: deCypher]
#9296881 - 11/23/08 11:54 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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To say that the Universe "likes" anything is to anthropomorphize a non-human entity.
That's a bit redundant. Anthropomorphization of anything isn't anthropomorphization if the thing it's anthropomorphizing is already human. =P
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Ratci]
#9298837 - 11/23/08 05:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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So the universe is human now? Wow I learn alot of interesting things in this forum.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: DieCommie]
#9298885 - 11/23/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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So the universe is human now?
Partially...
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9298892 - 11/23/08 05:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rather than equilibrium, how about take a step back and say it's about action and reaction?
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Ratci]
#9298931 - 11/23/08 05:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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To say that the Universe "likes" anything is to anthropomorphize a non-human entity.
That's a bit redundant. Anthropomorphization of anything isn't anthropomorphization if the thing it's anthropomorphizing is already human. =P
Anthropomorphization hates to be anthropomorphized.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9299129 - 11/23/08 06:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I came to the conclusion tripping on shrooms once that all consciousness is, is the universe experiencing its self.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9301549 - 11/24/08 12:41 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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since consciousness is experiencing the universe, and is part of the universe, this seems like a foolproof truth
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9303878 - 11/24/08 12:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I came to the conclusion tripping on shrooms once that all consciousness is, is the universe experiencing its self.
It's funny that that's what EXACTLY what Brad Warner said, but he doesn't believe drugs can teach you anything.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Ratci]
#9304103 - 11/24/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol has this dude ever taken a heroic dose or smoked a pipe full of spice?
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9304676 - 11/24/08 03:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol has this dude ever taken a heroic dose or smoked a pipe full of spice?
If you're talking to me, yeah, Brad Warner did his share growing up. He had some trip reports in Hardcore Zen
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Ratci]
#9305839 - 11/24/08 06:18 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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How has he not learned anything?
He must just think trips are a manifestation of the mind, when in fact they are real valid experiences.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9306618 - 11/24/08 07:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't see why a "manifestation of the mind" and a "real valid experience" would be opposites.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#9306648 - 11/24/08 07:58 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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People who don't know anything about psychedelics say the experience is a "hallucination" (manifestation of the mind) and is not actual valid reality.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9306659 - 11/24/08 08:00 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is a manifestation of the mind, though... the point is that the mental experience is still valid.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: deCypher]
#9306686 - 11/24/08 08:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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the mental experience is still valid
Only if used before before the expiration date of Jan. 1, 2009.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: deCypher]
#9306790 - 11/24/08 08:18 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont understand how the idea of 'validity' can be attributed to an experience? Can you provide an example of an experience that is not valid? So that I can try to understand...
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: DieCommie]
#9306808 - 11/24/08 08:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well my friends that don't trip have come to the conclusion that everything you experience while tripping is distortions of sobriety, and there for distorting valid experience, and therefor not 'real'
I disagree.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: DieCommie]
#9306822 - 11/24/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good luck with that. Clear explanations around here are as rare as chupacabras.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: DieCommie]
#9306824 - 11/24/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can you provide an example of an experience that is not valid?
All mental experiences are definitely "valid".
How it reflects sober, waking consciousness and how it compares to existing social opinions or current interpretations of reality is the bigger question.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: DieCommie]
#9306830 - 11/24/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think every experience is valid, in that every experience provides a valid opportunity to learn from.
Although most straight-edge people consider validity to be contingent on the objective reality of the experience (which IMO does not exist).
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: deCypher]
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So if all experiences are 'valid' and there is not such thing as an invalid experience, you really say nothing when you qualify an experience as valid. So every time you say 'valid experience' you could just say 'experience' and convey the exact same information. Thats exactly what I thought, thx!
(my opinion, you guys are just throwing that word in front of 'experience' in an effort to justify your belief in the relativity of reality)
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: DieCommie]
#9306880 - 11/24/08 08:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep, pretty much. 
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: DieCommie]
#9306890 - 11/24/08 08:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well no one really knows what reality is except the "external world"
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9307030 - 11/24/08 08:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said:
Well no one really knows what reality is except the "external world"
Can we learn what reality is not? If so, we can hone in on it and thereby narrow in on defining it objectively.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Mufungo]
#9307031 - 11/24/08 08:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why not, the "internal" world is certainly capable of it.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#9307080 - 11/24/08 08:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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After reading of of this drivel, I shall make my internal world go external like this: 
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9307092 - 11/24/08 08:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hope the external world doesn't realize you're puking all over it.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#9307106 - 11/24/08 08:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Has anyone ever thought of the universe as a living system, and we as humans are a part of that system much like cells in us. And that the big bang was just the 'cracking of the egg' for the life of the universe.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#9307116 - 11/24/08 08:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh, it knows, it knows! 
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9307147 - 11/24/08 08:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Has anyone ever thought of the universe as a living system, and we as humans are a part of that system much like cells in us. And that the big bang was just the 'cracking of the egg' for the life of the universe.
Dude, haven't you read in the philosophy forum before? Thats basically (save 2 or 3 members) the unanimous belief of all the posters here.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9307152 - 11/24/08 08:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Has anyone ever thought of the universe as a living system
First time I ever heard of this... today! 
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9307217 - 11/24/08 09:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well shit sorry guys 
didn't know it was a re-occuring theme here in P&S
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9307261 - 11/24/08 09:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't apologize to us, apologize to The Universe. When it forgives you, you may come back and post.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9307282 - 11/24/08 09:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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she already did.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9307308 - 11/24/08 09:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am not exactly calling you a liar, but when she forgives it usually takes about 50,000,000 years.
Her time is not our time.
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9307320 - 11/24/08 09:17 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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her time is time, time exists (or at least it does according to the second law of thermodynamics) our perception of it is in seconds, minutes, hours, days you get it:)
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9307346 - 11/24/08 09:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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But as a forgiveness request travels at the speed of light and her center is 25,000,000 light years away...
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9307374 - 11/24/08 09:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well than im fucked 
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Mufungo]
#9309163 - 11/25/08 06:54 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wrinkle the fabric of the universe and run across the pleats. 
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People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion. --Albert Einstein
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: Ratci]
#9309190 - 11/25/08 07:08 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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AHA… The uniform Universe!
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'And for this reason repentance (metanoia) is an elevating means. For he who feels impatience with the circunstances in which he finds himself, devises means of escape.
Now the chief thing in purification is the will. For then both deeds and words lend a helping hand. But, when the will is absent, the whole purificatory discipline of initiation is...'
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: DieCommie]
#9309528 - 11/25/08 09:04 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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DieCommie said:
So if all experiences are 'valid' and there is not such thing as an invalid experience, you really say nothing when you qualify an experience as valid. So every time you say 'valid experience' you could just say 'experience' and convey the exact same information. Thats exactly what I thought, thx!
(my opinion, you guys are just throwing that word in front of 'experience' in an effort to justify your belief in the relativity of reality)
They need to go back and read page 11 in the new age book of rules of conformity.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Why does the universe like equilibrium? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9312704 - 11/25/08 06:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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and the Language Game continues... 
Some would go so far as to say that most all of philosophy is a language game. And so goes the irony of typing these very words.
Tisk tisk! 
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