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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: Gumby]
    #9667829 - 01/23/09 08:58 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: Gumby]
    #9677031 - 01/25/09 03:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

im also a fan of distance.

if you can kill them before they know where you are, or that youre even there.  you have the upper hand.


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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: Cascadian]
    #9680096 - 01/25/09 10:56 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: Gumby]
    #9681055 - 01/26/09 07:32 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Why use an assault rifle for hunting? Automatic fire is only good for one thing, keeping people's heads down.

Personally, I'd go for something cheap and reliable, because I don't have taxpayers money to fund spare parts and ammo. My three choices (and there's thousands of variants, so I'm not going to do the "my brand is the best" bollocks)

A revolver: Revolvers are more reliable than clip fed pistols, and with 5/6 bullets, you won't be wasting (now very expensive) ammunition. This weapon is something you can always have close by, or on you.

A pump or lever action shotgun: A shotgun is the best home defense weapon there is. It's range is ideal, buckshot makes aiming a whole lot easier, and the stopping power is, well, it's a shotgun. You may want a double action shotgun for it's simplicity, but maintaining a pump action isin't too much work.

A bolt action rifle with a retractable bipod and (optional or not, depends on your eyesight and what you're hunting) telescopic sight: There are many semi automatic rifles around, and good ones too. Personally I'd go for whatever has the cheapest .300/7mm ammunition. Good ones to be had are the Mosin Nagant M44 (there's millions of these to be had, much more accurate than the 7.62mm Klashnikovs, which were designed to keep heads down) or Lee Enfield L8, which takes 7.62mm NATO, or the Springfield M1903.

Don't get me wrong, I like automatics, because they look cool (FN P90, FN/L1A1 (British varient of the excellent FN FAL, it had a strenghened buttstock ideal for clubbing, something very popular with squaddies) but like desert eagles (with the exception of the .44 magnum chambered one, which is a far better round than the .50"Couldn't hit the broad side of a barn even if you were in it" AE), GAU8 miniguns and metal storm CIWS's, they are for show, and not practical.


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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #9681245 - 01/26/09 08:44 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: Captain Caveman]
    #9681271 - 01/26/09 08:53 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Its funny you mention that. The FAL is 1st on my list. The .308 is as small a round I will go in a rifle, and after falling in love with it at a range, Im saving up for a DSA model which will hopefully be in my hands by summer.




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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #9685834 - 01/26/09 10:03 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Who the hell said I was hunting and who said hunting with an assault rifle was legal?

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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: Gumby]
    #9687378 - 01/27/09 07:37 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Who the hell said I was hunting and who said hunting with an assault rifle was legal?




Those are the guns I'd use. But if showing off is your thing, then by all means, get an m16. Or an M60 or FN Minimi (or the 249SAW). Loud and impressive.


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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #9687965 - 01/27/09 11:00 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Who said anything about hunting or shwoing off?  I agree Assault rifles having nothing to do with hunting.  They might be usedf for showing off but their primary purpose is in their name.  Whether you are on defence or offence is irrelevant....Assault rifles are a staple for every self-respecting individual who values his rights.


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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: Chakravanti]
    #9917973 - 03/05/09 04:08 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

I have never shot the AR-15, however shooting the AK is pretty bad ass.  I have held the AR, but the feeling i get when shooting an AK is pretty amazing.  I don't really like guns, i think people use them irresponsibly.  However that feeling after a semi-automatic burst and the opening of the other clenched eye is just :smile:


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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: Gumby]
    #10381371 - 05/22/09 10:36 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I'd like to get some kind of assault rifle before they do another ban on them. I'm thinking about an M16/M4/AR-15 or an AK-47. Which gun do you like better and why? Which is more accurate? Which is more durable and least problematic?

I've fired a Norinco MAK90 AK-47 and loved it. It seemed to be pretty accurate up to about... 75 yards or so. Haven't fired an AR-15... Yet.

An AR system over an AK any day.

  • more accurate
  • just as durable
  • the gas operation is it's flaw (more on this)


More after market for AR systems.  Ammo is cheap, some say it's a weak round 5.56.  It shouldn't be a problem if you get shot placement right in the first place, ie vital organ or hs.  Gas operation can be nullified easily by drop in replacement piston kits, you can even change out caliber to a 7.62.  I am biased though having had to use the ar system for a while, it's a bitch to clean but I have never had major malfunction.


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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: innovation]
    #10381504 - 05/22/09 11:17 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I'd like to get some kind of assault rifle before they do another ban on them. I'm thinking about an M16/M4/AR-15 or an AK-47. Which gun do you like better and why? Which is more accurate? Which is more durable and least problematic?

I've fired a Norinco MAK90 AK-47 and loved it. It seemed to be pretty accurate up to about... 75 yards or so. Haven't fired an AR-15... Yet.

An AR system over an AK any day.

  • more accurate
  • just as durable
  • the gas operation is it's flaw (more on this)


More after market for AR systems.  Ammo is cheap, some say it's a weak round 5.56.  It shouldn't be a problem if you get shot placement right in the first place, ie vital organ or hs.  Gas operation can be nullified easily by drop in replacement piston kits, you can even change out caliber to a 7.62.  I am biased though having had to use the ar system for a while, it's a bitch to clean but I have never had major malfunction.




Seems you already have your mind made up. And I dont blame you. Chip Mcormic drop in trigger system, new gas system, and your set.


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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: Captain Caveman]
    #10382347 - 05/22/09 02:21 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

well obviously 99% of us would opt for the AR/M4 platforms, however if money is an issue as it is for many of us, i would go the AK route.

the gun in my sig is my saiga .308, basically a new manufacture AK ready for american import.  $600 brand new and $200 worth of upgrades later you have an excellent battle rifle minus the select fire.  accurate, powerful and still less than what you would pay for a base model AR.

when it is fiscally feasible i will be getting an M4.


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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #10383722 - 05/22/09 07:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

That argument is almost as bad as the evolution/intelligent design debate. It will NEVER end. :smile:

Really it's all about where you put the bullet that's the final deciding factor.

Whatever you can hit your mark with reliably, go for that one. Whatever you're the most comfortable with will be the most effective weapon you'll own.


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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10383762 - 05/22/09 08:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

pretty much.  they all work, some work a little better,  i would prefer to own american made, but until i can afford them, its not an option lol.


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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #10383773 - 05/22/09 08:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yes. +1 on the American made. Springfield Armory is one of my favorites.


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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10383881 - 05/22/09 08:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

springfield or bushmaster.  either or.


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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #10384577 - 05/23/09 12:31 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yes. Can't forget Bushmaster. Awesome too.


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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10385754 - 05/23/09 10:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

When it comes to black rifles.....
DS Arms.
Nuff said.


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Re: M16/AR-15 vs. AK-47 [Re: Gumby]
    #10499405 - 06/13/09 11:51 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Id go with the m4. Light and accurate.


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