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    #9265219 - 11/18/08 10:23 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

After an extensive search, i have yet to find a concrete answer as to what temperature (in a food dehydrator) will the magic start to rapidly degrade?    I've read that any heat will lower potency, but at a certain temp it starts to drop off drasticly.  At what temp does magic start to rapidly dissapear?

My dehydrator can be set from 95F to 145F. I'm keeping it right in the middle for now but would like to up the temp all the way if it's okay to do so.


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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: ray40cal]
    #9265228 - 11/18/08 10:26 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

keep it at 95.

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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: backintheriver]
    #9265247 - 11/18/08 10:32 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

You know what, and i'm not trying to be a prick.    I just did a long search and everyone seemed to contradict the other person's opinion. I'm really, honest to god trying to figure out the factual , proven temperature at which psilo starts to rapidly break down.


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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: backintheriver]
    #9265257 - 11/18/08 10:34 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i just dried a batch at about 125
and they sucked
stay with a low temp

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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9265308 - 11/18/08 10:46 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I've searched for the same answer as you. I came across one thread where a couple people said they had dried anywhere between 90 and 150 and seen no noticeable loss of potency. At the same time though, some have said they won't use a dehydrator again because it fucked up their mushrooms.

So the conclusion I have come to is simple.

Dehydrator racks with with a bathroom exhaust fan. High powered unheated air.

I know this isn't really an answer to your question but to dry with heat or not seems to be more of a personal preference related to trial and error. I'm eliminating the error.

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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: SENDF]
    #9265363 - 11/18/08 11:03 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i take my racks fill them and set them on top of a fan
fan blowing up cracker dry in about 24 hours
ill post a pic in a few

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not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.

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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9265390 - 11/18/08 11:09 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yeh i think fans are aight but dehydrator can do several ounces overnight.  My fans are smawl.


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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: ray40cal]
    #9268526 - 11/18/08 07:58 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

some places are humid.  and you have to use heat to get them all the way to the cracker.


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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: Omnicracker]
    #9268855 - 11/18/08 08:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

in my book, Psilocybin, easy indoor and out door cultivation, it states that the temp for potency to be decreased drsitcally is 110 degrees F. page 133. quote from the book, "Alternatively, mushrooms can be dried by placing them overnight in a warm oven or on a rack above a radiator. Whatever method you use, make sure to use gentle heat, 110 degrees F (43 C) or below. Mushroom dried at higher temperatures will be bitter tasting and considerably less potent.,"

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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: mister]
    #9269012 - 11/18/08 09:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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in my book, Psilocybin, easy indoor and out door cultivation, it states that the temp for potency to be decreased drsitcally is 110 degrees F. page 133. quote from the book, "Alternatively, mushrooms can be dried by placing them overnight in a warm oven or on a rack above a radiator. Whatever method you use, make sure to use gentle heat, 110 degrees F (43 C) or below. Mushroom dried at higher temperatures will be bitter tasting and considerably less potent.,"




Sounds like the author doesn't know WTF he's talking about, especially suggesting an oven as an alternative. I regularly dry my mushrooms at 155F in my dehydrator and notice no potency loss. IMO, people who attribute potency loss to the heat of a dehydrator are just guessing that it was the cause and are probably growing from multispore where potency can vary widely anyway.

This topic has been beaten to death though.


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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: mister]
    #9269057 - 11/18/08 09:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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in my book, Psilocybin, easy indoor and out door cultivation, it states that the temp for potency to be decreased drsitcally is 110 degrees F. page 133. quote from the book, "Alternatively, mushrooms can be dried by placing them overnight in a warm oven or on a rack above a radiator. Whatever method you use, make sure to use gentle heat, 110 degrees F (43 C) or below. Mushroom dried at higher temperatures will be bitter tasting and considerably less potent.,"




i believe information in some texts is inaccurate and the printing of books cant keep up with proper searching for answers on the internet. lots of free peer-recognized journals can be viewed from the comfort of your home.

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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: Libertycapper]
    #9269095 - 11/18/08 09:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I've never seen a definitive answer on what temp they begin to degrade at.  I have heard about ppl making tea tho w/ boiling water, and not reporting any potency loss.

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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: J3illy]
    #9269103 - 11/18/08 09:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

IME oxidation causes much more potency loss, than heat.


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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: Libertycapper]
    #9269106 - 11/18/08 09:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

One thing I forgot to add is that storage after drying is just as important as the drying itself. The best method I have found for storing mushrooms is in sealed mason jars in a cool, dark place. Leaving them exposed to air and UV light over extended periods of time will reduce potency. If you're storing them in bags, don't use cheap dollar store bags, get the real deal zip lock bags and squeeze all the air out before sealing the bags.

Vacuum sealed bags work great too.


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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: dead]
    #9269114 - 11/18/08 09:14 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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IME oxidation causes much more potency loss, than heat.




Exactly. :thumbup: That goes back to what I just posted.


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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: FooMan]
    #9269158 - 11/18/08 09:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I store dried and fresh mushrooms alike, in ziplock bags with air squeezed out in the fridge. Even the fresh ones stay edible long enough for me...


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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: dead]
    #9269562 - 11/18/08 10:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I have the same book as the one quoted above.  Also, I have read many testimonials on this site that state that a dehydrator on a low heat setting is the best way to go as far as speed and convenience, with no noticeable loss of potency.  And I have seen a couple folks claim otherwise, but overall I think the anecdotal evidence leans in favor of using a dehydrator on a low heat setting.

A good test would be to take some frutis from an isolate and dry them side by side, one with just air, and one with a low heat dehydrator, and then compare the potency.


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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: iMtRiPpIn]
    #9270195 - 11/19/08 12:14 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the input fellers. I store the shrooms in sealed quart jars with a lil bit of desiccant tied shut in a coffee filter..  Does anyone know at what temperature psilocybin and/or psilocin will start to rapidly degrade?


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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: ray40cal]
    #9270223 - 11/19/08 12:19 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanks for the input fellers. I store the shrooms in sealed quart jars with a lil bit of desiccant tied shut in a coffee filter..  Does anyone know at what temperature psilocybin and/or psilocin will start to rapidly degrade?




Keep them cool and keep them in the dark.  And no, I don't think anyone knows for sure at what temp psilocybin and/or psilocin will start to rapidly degrade, but I could be wrong.  I have seen 140F quoted quite often here though.


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Re: Temperature vs. magiK [Re: ray40cal]
    #9271441 - 11/19/08 09:17 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Psilocin is unstable at any temperature. You would need to eat the mushrooms fresh or freeze dry them to avoid any psilocin loss. Psilocybin is much more stable. I don't know if anyone has done a definitive test on what temperature it breaks down at, but erowid lists the melting point at around 400F and anyone who has made mushroom tea knows that they can still be very potent after being exposed to boiling temps.

Here's an old thread on the topic:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4919303#Post4919303

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