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multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it
    #9264511 - 11/18/08 04:25 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

The biggest fruit i got so far was only about 3-4in long and the rest were small as hell like 1 in or less so its better just to fruit off of pf cake until i can figure out how to clone my biggest fruit.just wanted to let u know b-4 u waste ur time.

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: bnutz]
    #9264516 - 11/18/08 04:26 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

actually alot of people have great success doing bulk with multispore i think it had more to do with you technique than genetics i could be wrong..

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: backintheriver]
    #9264522 - 11/18/08 04:30 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

it could be the fact i used 11 pf jars 2 spawn to 10 lbs of hpoo and had weak genetis tho.

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: bnutz]
    #9264524 - 11/18/08 04:31 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: bnutz]
    #9264541 - 11/18/08 04:49 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

1 ms tub on straw,(about 2 feet, by 1 foot, by 4 inches) neglected, left on top of the entertainment center with a cfl left on during daylight hours can give up atleast a qp.

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in an attempt to be lazier, a cardboard box and garbage bag was used instead of a tub. some 6mil plastic draped over the top with a few holes punched with a steak knife makes a cheap cover. im all about doing this with NO effort.

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: bnutz]
    #9264544 - 11/18/08 04:52 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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That is a possibility. Could have been very unlucky and had a lot of incampatible strains that couldnt join. Without use of the full substrate that could have produced small fruits.

Other reasons for small fruits is lack of moisture within the substrate.


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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9264547 - 11/18/08 04:57 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

my substrate is kinda overly wet so i put a heating pad under the fc the try to dry it out a little cause it seemed a little too wet.

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: bnutz]
    #9264552 - 11/18/08 05:00 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Never heat your fruiting chamber directly. Which will cause moisture to codense out of the air robbing you of humidity. Your substrate probably dried out.


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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9264554 - 11/18/08 05:01 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

pf cakes make "O.K" spawn but not when you're spawning them to 10lb's of hpoo.


I doubt the tub fully colonized, ten pounds of horse manure is to much to be spawning pf cakes to, they work better on much lighter bulk. I doubt the tub was fully colonized.

And by the way, even if the substrate was dryed out from direct heating that would mean your initial flush should have been massive from all the humidity in the air.


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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: bnutz]
    #9264555 - 11/18/08 05:02 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

unless theres puddles its not too wet. the myc will suck it all up.

monitor the heating pad tho, its not hard to overheat your stuff.

my house stays between 68 and 72, that seems to work good for incubating and fruiting, just takes a lil longer. but it saves electricity, and keeps you from having to monitor things.

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9264556 - 11/18/08 05:02 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i didnt dry out yet i just turned the heating pad on about 3 hours ago should i turn it off?

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: bnutz]
    #9264559 - 11/18/08 05:03 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, never directly heat a fruiting chamber.


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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9264562 - 11/18/08 05:06 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i didnt dry out yet i just turned the heating pad on about 3 hours ago should i turn it off?

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: bnutz]
    #9264570 - 11/18/08 05:12 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

alright i turned it off and i'm just gonna let it run it's coarse how long do you think i can start fruiting it again? ABOUT A WEEK OR RIGHT AWAY?

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: bnutz]
    #9264579 - 11/18/08 05:15 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

alright i turned it off and i'm just gonna let it run it's coarse how long do you think i can start fruiting it again? ABOUT A WEEK OR RIGHT AWAY?

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: bnutz]
    #9264620 - 11/18/08 05:54 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

idk any details about your operation, but i just mix a quart of spawn to whatever amount of straw i have in the bottom, cover it, and forget it. check every day on the progress when you uncover and fan.

teks are way over complicated. just mix it all up, put 2-12 hrs of light on it, fan and mist it daily. itll do fine without temp changes. the less you pay attention to it the faster it grows, and the better of a prize you get, cause it didnt take any effort.

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: r311ik]
    #9264628 - 11/18/08 06:09 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I JUST MIXED UP 11 PF CAKES TO THE HPOO AND MIXED IT UP REAL GOOD AND LET IT COLONIZE FOR ABOUT 2 WEEKS THEN PUT THE LIGHT AND AIR PUMP TO IT BUT WHEN I DUG IT UP IT WAS OVERLY WET ....I DUNNO I'LL SEE WUT HAPPENS TO IT BUT IT SHOULD BE FINE PLUS I ADDED VERM TO SOAK UP THE EXCESS WATER .PLUS I DRILLED SUM HOLES WITH A DRILL FOR FRESH AIR.IF IT FUCKES UP I GOT ALOT OF PF JARS IF IT DOES MESS UP.

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: bnutz]
    #9264661 - 11/18/08 06:31 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

If it's wet its pooched...

Dug it up? if you could dig at it then its not fully colonized.


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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: HybridprX]
    #9264677 - 11/18/08 06:42 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

WELL I HAD TO TEAR IT APART
AND IT WASNT THAT WET.LIKE TEARING APART A PF CAKE.

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: bnutz]
    #9264898 - 11/18/08 08:44 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

as veda said mixing alot of jars togather as spawn my not be a good idea as the different dominant substrains in each jar may not be compatable, which will result in poor fruiting. Also its best to make more smaller tubs or trays just incase you get a contam, you can move that away from the rest of the grow. not having all the eggs in one baskett is a good thing. i got lucky on my first multispore bulk. i had a pinset almost full canopy. a few bare spots but great for multispore.


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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: seven]
    #9264950 - 11/18/08 08:56 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

fuck it i'll have to wait for my wbs to do it again.

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: bnutz]
    #9265053 - 11/18/08 09:24 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

There are many possibilities as to why you got those results. It has happened to me before too. All that can be said is that yes, MS is gambling and if you do a big bulk substrate and don't even know if you're dealing with a good fruiting strain then you can say MS isn't worth it. I personally agree. If you are using guaranteed monocultures (not just clone but monocultures) then you can rule out genetics if something like this happens and start looking at FEA, humidity, temperature, co2 and other environmental factors.


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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: LightShedder]
    #9265087 - 11/18/08 09:41 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

monoculture = isolated substrain = no variation or chance of different results, minus growth conditions. CONSISTANCY


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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: bnutz]
    #9265097 - 11/18/08 09:45 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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WELL I HAD TO TEAR IT APART
AND IT WASNT THAT WET.LIKE TEARING APART A PF CAKE.





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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: LateForTheFuture]
    #9265133 - 11/18/08 09:57 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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WELL I HAD TO TEAR IT APART
AND IT WASNT THAT WET.LIKE TEARING APART A PF CAKE.







im sorry but  THATS FUCKIN FUNNY :lol:


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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: seven]
    #9265155 - 11/18/08 10:04 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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WELL I HAD TO TEAR IT APART
AND IT WASNT THAT WET.LIKE TEARING APART A PF CAKE.







im sorry but  THATS FUCKIN FUNNY :lol:



VERY FUNNY +5 FOR YOU

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: LateForTheFuture]
    #9265159 - 11/18/08 10:05 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

^^lol

yea, the more ms jars you use in one bulk sub the less consistency youll see.  its way better to use 3 quart jars than 12 1/2 pt jars.  its also possible you messed up other things.  try again.  tons of people have great results with bulk ms grows


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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: boomer q]
    #9265275 - 11/18/08 10:38 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I just harvested a 11 inch PE that was bigger around then a half dollar all the way to the cap. That was from a single grain bag but multispore.


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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: r311ik]
    #9265299 - 11/18/08 10:43 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

done heat your fruiting chamber period unless it freakin cold in your house. 72-76 degrees is perfect any higher could slow growth. Just look at RR for example he doesnt use heat for nothing not even incubation.

Lets see a pic, if your shrooms are very thin and short it could be lack of fae.


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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: Shr00mZ]
    #9265312 - 11/18/08 10:46 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Mutlispore BRF spawned to poo

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: tex1]
    #9265453 - 11/18/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Mutlispore BRF spawned to poo


the way your fruits were all around the edges is a sign :lack of humidity\ moisture.


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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: Shr00mZ]
    #9266169 - 11/18/08 02:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I just harvested a 11 inch PE that was bigger around then a half dollar all the way to the cap. That was from a single grain bag but multispore.





yea, bags are the way to go :thumbup: ive got some huge APEs comming up from the second flush on some poo/coir bags, PEs and bags go great together


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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: boomer q]
    #9266391 - 11/18/08 02:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

is having the caps lock on mess something up y is that funny?

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9266471 - 11/18/08 03:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, never directly heat a fruiting chamber.




Other than hot water, what are some other good methods of heating a FC?

Do heating pads work OK with large plastic bins?

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #9266489 - 11/18/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

not in my experience with them they dry out the substrate where you put them under the fc.directly above the pad.

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: bnutz]
    #9266514 - 11/18/08 03:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

just heat the room that the fc is in.  if you are comfortable in the room then the mycelium will be fine. fruit in "room temp" range -70-77 is fine in my openion.


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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: bnutz]
    #9266528 - 11/18/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

quick not to all the heaters out there... mycelium growth of cubensis is fastest at 76 deg...but peak alkaloid production occurs at around 70 deg.

just a tidbit i thought id add


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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: DoidleTheDigger]
    #9266579 - 11/18/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

pf cake spawned to c-poo/ vermiculite w/ a little peat moss to help fluff it up.



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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: seven]
    #9271159 - 11/19/08 07:37 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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just heat the room that the fc is in.  if you are comfortable in the room then the mycelium will be fine. fruit in "room temp" range -70-77 is fine in my openion.




I agree. Heating the room where the FC is located is ideal.
But how about situations where this is not possible?
How about for my friend Maynard in Northern Michigan who has his FC out in the hay barn?

A hot water reservoir works fine, but does anyone have any other groovy methods?

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #9271193 - 11/19/08 07:55 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

ive had ALOT of good luck with MS innoculations and so have alot of other people on this site.  i think it was covered pretty well why you had the results you did.

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: blood4blood]
    #9271264 - 11/19/08 08:22 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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ive had ALOT of good luck with MS innoculations and so have alot of other people on this site.



A very basic question about MS.
I just want to be clear on this.

In general, when forum members refer to MS innoculations, is this making spawn from spores with zero attempt to isolate rhizo mycelium?

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #9271278 - 11/19/08 08:26 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

It means multispore.  You're injecting hundreds/thousands of spores.

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Re: multispore on bulk substrate just isnt worth it [Re: blood4blood]
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ive had ALOT of good luck with MS innoculations and so have alot of other people on this site.  i think it was covered pretty well why you had the results you did.


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