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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: J3illy]
    #9278929 - 11/20/08 02:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

MH, yes it can be done in theory. But, they do it on certain select ones, not every single bit of data. We are not talking about a few terrabytes, we are talking about lots of terrabytes every single day for each phone provider. They are all under financial pressure right now and can not afford to do it. Even the government can not afford to record every phone call and email. They do look for keywords and try to focus in on likely suspects. That is not the same as storing all that data. Even Warren Buffet might go broke trying to do that. But be careful what you say.

Just my opinion.


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: Stonehenge]
    #9279865 - 11/20/08 04:27 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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We are not talking about a few terrabytes, we are talking about lots of terrabytes every single day for each phone provider.




I think it is both possible and practical to record the locations of all phones at all times and the cost could easily be covered by the price of your cell phone bill, but I am going to refrain from speculating further until I get the real answer from someone in the industry.


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9280743 - 11/20/08 06:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

don't forget too that the nsa has their own little locked server room at every single telecom company.


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: mofo]
    #9296386 - 11/23/08 09:04 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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    1. Is it possible for big brother to listen in on me when the phone is on , but not in use?



Yes, this is done by coercing the cell phone company to send a malicious software update to your phone.  The software update turns on the microphone and sends audio all the time instead of only when you are making a call.  It has been used in the US against the mob, and word of this technique leaked out via the court records.

~If you are far away from a cell phone tower, you will notice your phone getting real hot, even when it is not in use (and significant battery drain, like you are talking all day).  If you are near a cell phone tower the amount of power required to reach it will not noticeably warm the phone or put much drain on the battery.  You could also use a TV or radio as a RF monitor, your phone should only be sending short burts of RF energy when it isn't in use.  A TV or radio will work much better to detect transmissions if you are far from the tower, do these tests when you only have 1 or 2 bars of signal.~




Is this supposed to be a way to test your phone?


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: Urb]
    #9297424 - 11/23/08 01:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

They may save data such as what calls were made, at what time and from where. They probably save that for some time like a month, maybe longer. To save all data like where the phone was at every instant during the day when no calls are made or received, no way. There is no legal requirement for it and it costs money. Even if it means they have to charge a couple dollars more a month, that is a big difference and could put a company out of business. No way will they save that data any longer than they have to in order to do business. That's my opinion.


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: Stonehenge]
    #9297461 - 11/23/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

you guys are forgetting that this information would most likely be saved in the form of raw data logs.  This would be a very memory-efficient way of storing the data, probably amounting to less than a megabyte per person per year.


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: mofo]
    #9297548 - 11/23/08 02:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You're talking about the log/length/location of all calls made, right?  If so, yea maybe.

But the actual audio of all the calls would be a helluva lot more than that.


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: J3illy]
    #9297769 - 11/23/08 02:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, thats as much as the phone companies would store for data.  supposedly the nsa records and analyzes audio, but thats done using black budget super computers that are probably powerful beyond anything you can even imagine.  In that case, they could probably anaylze the data electonically fast enough that only audio relevant to nat'l security would need to be saved.  Or perhaps they use voice recognition software to translate conversations into plain text files for easy storage.


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: mofo]
    #9360674 - 12/03/08 06:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I think your tinfoil hats are getting a little too much use.

It's rather obvious that they don't track all cellphones at all times.  If they did then there would be almost no unsolved crime anymore.  If it was as easy as calling the telcom and asking who was in a certain area during a certain time then it would be trivial to solve at least 75% of the crime in this country. 

Obviously that hasn't happened.  In fact I've never heard of a single instance where they were able to go back in time to see where a cell phone was.  They always just get the current location.  If they could get more data than that then obviously it would show up in court records as evidence.

About a year ago some guy murdered this other dude in my town.  They had no leads, but checked his phone records, found who called him last, then located that person by their cellphone.  Eventually they found evidence on him, but if they could have then they certainly would have gotten a log of his location for the entire time frame rather than just where he was at the moment.


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: fastfred]
    #9360684 - 12/03/08 06:43 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

They can't track a cell phone...Well that can...To a certain location really, but they can keep the general area of it. So, if there was a murder in this location it would show thousands of phones.


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: MHbound]
    #9363436 - 12/04/08 02:11 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Cell phone companies are able to log every number you dial and text. This type of data would outweigh location data by tons.


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: tak]
    #9363459 - 12/04/08 02:20 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yea but the location data can prove alot more, as far as a crime goes.  You just calling a number can only prove so much, but if they know WHERE you were at the time of the call, that says alot more - for example if they were looking at you for a robbery or murder.  It would basically prove where you were at a certain time.


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: fastfred]
    #9363465 - 12/04/08 02:23 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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fastfred said:

Obviously that hasn't happened.  In fact I've never heard of a single instance where they were able to go back in time to see where a cell phone was.  They always just get the current location.  If they could get more data than that then obviously it would show up in court records as evidence.


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Cell Phone Pings Help Track Casey Anthony's Movements Over 3 Days


http://www.local6.com/news/17874799/detail.html


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According to records, Anthony's cell phone "pinged" 20 different cell towers 754 times in the two-week period.

Casey's cell phone communicated that afternoon through the same three cell towers she could reach from her home,"

At 1 p.m., Anthony made a 14-minute call to her boyfriend, Tony Lazzaro. At 1:44 p.m., she made a 36-minute call to her then-best friend, Amy Huizenga. At 2:52 p.m., there was an 11-minute call with ex-fiance Jesse Grund. All of the calls used cell towers that can be reached from her parents' home,

at 4:11 p.m., Anthony began trying to reach her mother, Cindy Anthony, making four attempts in two minutes, according to records.

At 5:20 p.m., a tower was pinged near Blanchard Park,

"It was then that Casey's phone pinged a cell tower near boyfriend Tony Laazaro's apartment,"

Anthony's phone later pinged a different spot near the Econ Trail, south of Lake Underhill, records show








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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: Chemy]
    #9363497 - 12/04/08 02:33 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

^ Wow she is so fucking guilty.  And what really pisses me off is her total arrogance.  You can tell she's a real cunt - good thing she'll be locked up for the rest of her life. [hopefully]


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: J3illy]
    #9363994 - 12/04/08 06:57 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

She'll be out in a few years.


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: MHbound]
    #9364164 - 12/04/08 07:57 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

> Wow she is so fucking guilty.
> She'll be out in a few years.

Hard as it can be sometimes, I prefer to assume she is innocent until a jury decides otherwise.  The media cares about ratings, not justice, and demonizing somebody brings viewers.


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: Chemy]
    #9366106 - 12/04/08 02:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I'd assume they keep records of cell phone location for a certain amount of time, then dump the data.  This would be an efficient method, since most of the cases would relate to recent data.


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: Seuss]
    #9366637 - 12/04/08 04:07 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Seuss said:
> Wow she is so fucking guilty.
> She'll be out in a few years.

Hard as it can be sometimes, I prefer to assume she is innocent until a jury decides otherwise.  The media cares about ratings, not justice, and demonizing somebody brings viewers.




I know but the evidence is just staggering.  Her mother initially called the cops and said her trunk smelled like a dead-body.  They found traces of a decomposing body in the trunk, and also chloroform [which she had searched about online].  The day or day after the daughter went missing, she was renting a movie that depicted a dead, rotting corpse in a trunk.  It just doesn't add up and I can almost say that I KNOW she's guilty.


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: J3illy]
    #9367180 - 12/04/08 05:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the story Chemy.  Looks like big brother is moving a lot faster than I thought.  At least crime will go down quite a bit in the near future.

Before too long it will probably be that almost all they need for a conviction is to prove that you turned your cell phone off during a critical time in an investigation.


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Re: Cell Phone Safety [Re: fastfred]
    #9370316 - 12/05/08 01:56 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I don't consider that moving too fast.

You are carrying a device around in your pocket that transmits voice, text, still image, and video wirelessly almost anywhere in the world. A device that can let anyone know where you are at any given time. A device that authorities can eavesdrop on without a warrant, without the phone having to even be powered on in some cases.

They've been around for quite a while. Some people just don't get it.

When I made a call to highway patrol using my girlfriends phone, they referred to me by my real name without knowing anything but the phone # and that it was a male's voice.

I try not to be over paranoid, but I also try to leave too much up to chance. I guess there are different breeds of people in this new cell phone era though.


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