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Anyone else serve in the US Army?
#9261562 - 11/17/08 05:27 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im currently setting up to do EOD, or, Explosive Ordnance Disposal.
Wanted to see if anyone served in the military, though this doesn't seem like the place hehe.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9261571 - 11/17/08 05:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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do I have to admit to it?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9261611 - 11/17/08 05:37 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Army bases are like giant dirty trailer parks. I've never seen so much trash walking around.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Ziplok]
#9261630 - 11/17/08 05:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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you ever lived in a trailer park or been in the military?
I think you're tossing out a stereo type just because you dont support the military
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9261690 - 11/17/08 05:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd like to know your stance pris, you always came off as an intelligent and witty poster to me.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9261706 - 11/17/08 06:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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What do you want to know? How long is your contract going to be?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
#9261718 - 11/17/08 06:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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thedefone said: What do you want to know? How long is your contract going to be?
I haven't decided yet. 4 or 6
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9261730 - 11/17/08 06:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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When you sign up demand that they add Airborne or Air Assault be added to your contract so that you can go directly after you finish AIT. This might also help you have a better grip on where you'll be stationed. Campbell and Bragg are pretty good posts in the grand scheme of things.
Get as much money as you possibly can from the recruiter. If you think you're getting fucked, find another one and then play them against each other. Assume they are lying to you.
Start with a four year contract.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9261731 - 11/17/08 06:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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AJ4U said: I'd like to know your stance pris, you always came off as an intelligent and witty poster to me.
in EOD you'll get a decent hazardous duty pay in addition to other boosts, it's a dangerous job when you dont use your head occasionally you may be given an order along the lines of leaving behind some safety gear because of 'urgency', belay those order and do the smart thing, grab any gear you believe you'll need, it'll save your life and at the least your health
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9261749 - 11/17/08 06:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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AJ4U said: I'd like to know your stance pris, you always came off as an intelligent and witty poster to me.
in EOD you'll get a decent hazardous duty pay in addition to other boosts, it's a dangerous job when you dont use your head occasionally you may be given an order along the lines of leaving behind some safety gear because of 'urgency', belay those order and do the smart thing, grab any gear you believe you'll need, it'll save your life and at the least your health
Thanks for the word of advice. Im really excited for this challenge. Im not worried about basic, more of the actually eod school. I heard its alot of schooling. I hope i can pass the class and its not hard to learn.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9261764 - 11/17/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I edited my above post.. Army schools are taught at the eighth-grade level. Don't fuck off and you'll be fine.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
#9261880 - 11/17/08 06:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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thedefone said: Assume they are lying to you.
what... a recruiter lie? no way...
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
#9261928 - 11/17/08 06:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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thedefone said: When you sign up demand that they add Airborne or Air Assault be added to your contract so that you can go directly after you finish AIT. This might also help you have a better grip on where you'll be stationed. Campbell and Bragg are pretty good posts in the grand scheme of things.
Get as much money as you possibly can from the recruiter. If you think you're getting fucked, find another one and then play them against each other. Assume they are lying to you.
Start with a four year contract.
How do i get the most money i can? Explain please. I was show a pay scale i suppose with differnt start contracts and the one iw as going with was the one that paid for school but lower bonus. Then there sone that dont pay for school and has high signing bonus
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9261969 - 11/17/08 06:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: you ever lived in a trailer park or been in the military?
I think you're tossing out a stereo type just because you dont support the military
I've been in my fair share of trailer parks, never lived in one though.. I've been in the service for 2 years. Father was in for 23 years. I've seen all the services and there's just something about the army. Maybe it's because I deal with the transportation guys all the time.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9261990 - 11/17/08 06:46 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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AJ4U said: I'd like to know your stance pris, you always came off as an intelligent and witty poster to me.
in EOD you'll get a decent hazardous duty pay in addition to other boosts, it's a dangerous job when you dont use your head occasionally you may be given an order along the lines of leaving behind some safety gear because of 'urgency', belay those order and do the smart thing, grab any gear you believe you'll need, it'll save your life and at the least your health
Let's just say that EOD has a great re-enlistment bonus and guaranteed fast promotions.. better to go EOD as a single man.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9261996 - 11/17/08 06:46 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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military recruiters are the best salesmen
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9262029 - 11/17/08 06:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do the math.
Find out how much the difference is between the added GI Bill/Kicker and bonus money and figure out which pays more. Remember that bonus money a split payment. Are you going to go to college after your service? If not, then the GI money is not collectable.. you only get it when you are enrolled in school. If you are deployed, what you collect goes way up.
If you think you'll go to school, get the GI bill/kicker.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
#9262039 - 11/17/08 06:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe it's because I deal with the transportation guys all the time.
88M's are the stupidest people in the Army.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9262046 - 11/17/08 06:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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AJ4U said: Then there sone that dont pay for school and has high signing bonus
they all pay a bonus, assume they recruiter is lying to you, you should be able to get a minimum of $15k signing bonus and possible as much as $30k, I have a friend that pulled a $45k reenlistment bonus about 10 years ago
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9262053 - 11/17/08 06:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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You want to sign your life away in the hope of good pay or a violent death in Afghanistan?
I don't think thats a wise decision myself. If you want money just get a good normal job
If want to kill people and help perpetuate war then its a great idea.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
#9262055 - 11/17/08 06:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I really wish I could take pictures of some of the people I see slithering around this fort in VA. Pretty sure there's a manwoman working in the commissary. On top of that, all the "rides sittin on 22's" makes me sick. They let anyone in the army
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9262058 - 11/17/08 06:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm curious as to why anyone would voluntarily want to be a soldier?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Ziplok]
#9262064 - 11/17/08 06:58 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ziplok said: I've seen all the services and there's just something about the army.
odd... I've seen just the opposite, maybe it's because of the personal convictions of the individuals, I never ran around with a bunch of smack talking losers so I wouldnt know these people
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Ego Death]
#9262077 - 11/17/08 07:00 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ego Death said: If you want money just get a good normal job
more than 10 million people are out of work, they're all looking for that job at McDonalds right now, there's more than one reason to join the military and in the opinion of many of us it's a very respectable thing to do
government will start/fight a war regardless of volunteers, be glad he's enlisting because it keeps you from being drafted
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9262100 - 11/17/08 07:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd rather be poor, actually i would rather be dead than be a pawn for someone else's own vested interests
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9262109 - 11/17/08 07:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nobody can draft me. They can try but it won't work.
Its not respectable to me, its foolish.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9262117 - 11/17/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Apology to the original poster for kinda hijacking the thread.
When they offer a high sign on bonus for a particular job, chances are it's because it sucks and nobody wants to do it. Do the 4 year contract for sure. They might guarantee you school out of basic and therefore making you an E-4 faster with a 6 year contract but the money isn't that much better for an extra 2 years of service. DO THE GI BILL, they take 100 bucks out of your paycheck a month, but it's worth it in the end.
Just be prepared to take on a lifestyle change and as we all say. "Hurry up and wait", which pretty much boils down to sit on your ass wishing you weren't in the military
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if you're drafte you have a few options, blow your foot off or puncture an eardrum, ROTC (run over to canada) or take your happy ass to the meps center for processing
death might disqualify you but I wouldnt count on it
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Ziplok]
#9262146 - 11/17/08 07:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ziplok said: They might guarantee you school out of basic and therefore making you an E-4 faster
recruiter got my asvab scores back, he haded me the book and said "choose, if we dont have a place we'll make one"
I made a choice, he said "are you sure? we have much better options for someone of your level of intelligence and skills"
I said yes... they made room
all things are possible, just make sure all the details are in writing, no verbal agreements, no fucking around
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Cognitive_Shift said: I'm curious as to why anyone would voluntarily want to be a soldier?
You have to agree that the whole GIJOE, soldier, warrior, etc. was a fantasy at one point when you were a child.. maybe it just lasts longer for some people.
GIJOE was funded by the government!!
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Ziplok]
#9262293 - 11/17/08 07:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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It was a fantasy because that is what i was told by the television.
Now that im 'awake' or fully 'conscience' of many of the scams being run by late modernism and capitalism, I kind of laugh at the utter insanity of joining the military.
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Im looking at a 10k signing bonus for 4years as an EOD.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Ziplok]
#9262323 - 11/17/08 07:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Indoctrination, propaganda.
So many people are fucked when they leave the army - PTSD, no routine, bouts of temper, crime and addiction.
The army will program you to kill but they have fuck all to deprogram you to get back into civilized society.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Ziplok]
#9262324 - 11/17/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: I'm curious as to why anyone would voluntarily want to be a soldier?
You have to agree that the whole GIJOE, soldier, warrior, etc. was a fantasy at one point when you were a child.. maybe it just lasts longer for some people.
with each thing you say I have a difficult time believing you've ever been near a base
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9262338 - 11/17/08 07:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Money should never be a reason to do something.
Money is so insignificant in the big scheme of life.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9262345 - 11/17/08 07:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whats EOD?
Definately don't go on the front line if you want to live to spend that money.
If its not against you morels to help the war machine then I'd suggest working out what position is the least life threatening.
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Thats nice...
anyways 10k sounds alittle low as a signing bonus for eod?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9262396 - 11/17/08 07:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pris, I'm just tryin' to be a smartass..
Cog, do you not have bills? I wish I had the outlook you do on money and life but tryin to make it out there and stay occupied is kinda hard.
And to be honest, I have no idea why people volunteer to be a soldier. It has it's raw, gritty perks but fuck sand.
and I just read that some EODs are being offered 40k. Whether that's with prior service, dive, parachute quals I don't know.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Ziplok]
#9262411 - 11/17/08 07:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha seriously fuck sand!
I have bills, but i was born into money (i still work a shitty job) But I can honestly say more money more problems...
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Ego Death]
#9262658 - 11/17/08 08:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whats EOD?
Don't bother actually reading the thread or anything. Just indiscriminately post your opinions.
It sounds to me like OP kind of has his mind made up and is asking for advice from people who are already in.. not random attacks from people who haven't even bothered to read the first post.
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Cognitive_Shift said: Money should never be a reason to do something.
you're right... I'm picking up a welfare application tomorrow
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9262895 - 11/17/08 09:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was show a pay scale i suppose with differnt start contracts and the one iw as going with was the one that paid for school but lower bonus. Then there sone that dont pay for school and has high signing bonus
After doing a little reading I'm starting to think this is bullshit. Your signing bonus should be 11K regardless of whether you are getting GI bill/kicker benefits. Talk to another recruiter and see what he says.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
#9262920 - 11/17/08 09:17 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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defone, I don't know if you did any time or not, but you're right. Sounds like OP either misunderstood what the recruiter was saying or the recruiter is full of it. Look for another
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Ziplok]
#9265825 - 11/18/08 12:58 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I could be wrong but i was offered a 10k signing bonus. I'll have to take a closer look and figure the other stuff out but that was with my school being paid for i believe and a 4yr contract.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9265833 - 11/18/08 01:00 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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are you in college now? are they talkin about paying for that? or paying for you to go to college
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Ziplok]
#9265883 - 11/18/08 01:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im not in college now no, they saying if i choose to take class's they will.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9265921 - 11/18/08 01:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Joining the service is pretty tempting these days due to all the money they can throw at you, not to mention how they pay for schooling.
I totally respect anyone that joins the service, its just more respectable when people go into it even in the absence of some lofty bs idealism. At the very least they play that role for those of us that do not desire that stuff
Support our troops damn hippies
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Ego Death]
#9265954 - 11/18/08 01:27 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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FUCK NO! money is worthless if I have to bring harm to myself/ others to get it, even if I'm not fighting there's no way I'd support that dirty system. Who would want to fight for imperialism anyway.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Phish_Dude]
#9266001 - 11/18/08 01:37 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would rather make a living doing something i love, than becoming a killing machine. And i know not everyone in the military is an soldier fighting and killing, and if not your still aiding killing machines. I am too by paying my taxes, but i pay my taxes so they don't lock me up. Its like there forcing me to help kill people. It makes me sad
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Cognitive_Shift said: I would rather make a living doing something i love, than becoming a killing machine. And i know not everyone in the military is an soldier fighting and killing, and if not your still aiding killing machines. I am too by paying my taxes, but i pay my taxes so they don't lock me up. Its like there forcing me to help kill people. It makes me sad
LOL WHAT
Wow Sooo by me wanting to go EOD(Explosive Ordnance Disposal). I am aiding the "killing machine" by defusing ied's and such that could have hurt/killed a soldier or innocent civilian?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Phish_Dude]
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Phish_Dude said: FUCK NO! money is worthless if I have to bring harm to myself/ others to get it, even if I'm not fighting there's no way I'd support that dirty system.
do you have a job?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said: You want to sign your life away in the hope of good pay or a violent death in Afghanistan?
I don't think thats a wise decision myself. If you want money just get a good normal job
If want to kill people and help perpetuate war then its a great idea.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Phish_Dude said: FUCK NO! money is worthless if I have to bring harm to myself/ others to get it, even if I'm not fighting there's no way I'd support that dirty system.
do you have a job?
Yeah I do, and all I'm saying if you want to but into that sort of thing than great. But it is just immoral IMO.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
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Yeah man, your a pawn in someone elses game. It sounds like you want to become this technician because of the money. If you like blowing stuff up it doesn't have to be designed to kill people. You can work someplace else, and if money is THAT important to ya, than my words do no good. You just another player in that game...
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What the fuck, I can't believe I used to be so faggy when it came to the topic of military. I kinda held the same hippie mentality, probably cause of the psychedelics. I'm thinking about joining the Airforce cause quite frankly, I like adventure. They aren't "on the clock" soldiers 24/7 (unless they're in Iraq, they get time off man, I went to a base in South Dakota where my sister is and they live pretty normal lives.
But it's your right to live like Ghandi if you want.
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Cognitive_Shift said: Yeah man, your a pawn in someone elses game. It sounds like you want to become this technician because of the money. If you like blowing stuff up it doesn't have to be designed to kill people. You can work someplace else, and if money is THAT important to ya, than my words do no good. You just another player in that game...
Since when was i blowing up things to kill people? My job would be just the opposite, disarming it so it dont blow up people or blowing it up so people dont die.
Money does play a role in what i want to do, yep.
Im just really stuck here, the school for EOD seems very intense and hard from what iv read. Im just not sure if its my final choice. As infantry as always interested me but it'd be nice to take something out of the Army back state-side like EOD.
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Cognitive_Shift said: Yeah man, your a pawn in someone elses game. It sounds like you want to become this technician because of the money. If you like blowing stuff up it doesn't have to be designed to kill people. You can work someplace else, and if money is THAT important to ya, than my words do no good. You just another player in that game...
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Drunken_Jester said: What the fuck, I can't believe I used to be so faggy when it came to the topic of military. I kinda held the same hippie mentality, probably cause of the psychedelics. I'm thinking about joining the Airforce cause quite frankly, I like adventure. They aren't "on the clock" soldiers 24/7 (unless they're in Iraq, they get time off man, I went to a base in South Dakota where my sister is and they live pretty normal lives.
But it's your right to live like Ghandi if you want.
If you like adventure join the Peace Corps you get to travel and get paid for it too. That way you can still get the thrill of travel and you are helping people in third world countries as opposed to fortifying our influences on other countries through military force.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
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I assure you the EOD school won't be "too hard" for you. Those courses are broken down so much it's probably boring.
Military pays for college no matter how many years you sign for. You are entitled to receive the GI bill.I think you pay 1,200 and in return its worth a 43,000 education. BUT the GI bill is something you use when you're OUT of the military. While you're in, you get the luxury of using tuition assistance to pay for books and whatnot. You're recruiter telling you they will only pay for some of it "because of whatever reason" is a LIE!
And to all the people that think the military is nothing but grunts killing people... do some research. Most guys in the military will only shoot a rifle for qualification upkeep a few times a year then go back to fixin engines or what have you.
Contribution to the machine?? who cares.. steady paycheck,education,and medical. Plus, military background looks good on a resume
*Edit* Think about taking what you can learn from the military too. You won't be in forever. That's where the infantry guys go wrong. Besides leadership skills, what else can you do? shoot a gun? sweet!
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Phish_Dude]
#9266436 - 11/18/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can you get away with smoking a J while in the service?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: mathewww]
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mathewww said: Can you get away with smoking a J while in the service?
Iheats there was a court decision saying they can test you any time because it may hinder your ability to work, and high soldiers would be a national security threat. How about blowing the smoke at the angry enemies and making them chill too?:)
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Ziplok]
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Thanks zip i think you pretty much summed up the way i also.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: doom876]
#9266492 - 11/18/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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how about Vietnam?
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Cognitive_Shift said: I would rather make a living doing something i love, than becoming a killing machine. And i know not everyone in the military is an soldier fighting and killing, and if not your still aiding killing machines. I am too by paying my taxes, but i pay my taxes so they don't lock me up. Its like there forcing me to help kill people. It makes me sad
I mean in one way or the other just by living in America and paying any sort of taxes you are supporting it still.
I guess its easy to look at violence and be turned off, its not that illogical because we all live in the wake of the violent world in a sense. We live in America and in the modern age of comfort, we are hidden from the harsh realities of life. I too an naive, I haven't even gotten in an actual fight. But I do not want to let myself become so delusional that I do not see what role violence and war has played into how humanity became so powerful. We have reaped the benefits of competition and war, might as well recognize the ugly role it played in our species.
But that said, these days America's imperialism is pretty shady... But that said many times soldiers only are fighting because they pretty much have to... and even then soldiers basically are fighting for the man right next to them. Talk about the highest level of comradery. I think some people eventually join and serve because of a delight in the risks and thus high level of comradery ... just a thought (kinda playin devils advocate)
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: mathewww]
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I've met some people in the service that have said they have done more drugs IN the service then before they joined. There's a lot of ways around the tests. Marines and Army, not so much.. I've heard horror stories of the drug testing procedure for some of those guys. Picture living in a barracks and one morning people come in yelling to line up, you're getting piss tested and that the doors to the building are locked. Then somebody stands over your shoulder and watches you pull out and donate to the cup.
Lot of cokeheads in the navy... HAHAHA
There's a video out there somewhere of the afghans on our side and theirs smokin a j while bullets are hitting the wall beside them.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: andrewss]
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Yeah i was just at a party a couple weeks ago and there as some dude there that was my age and he had to use a cain. So we were outside smoking a couple bowls and he ended up telling his story of getting hit by an IED and being thrown like some 30 feet away from his humvee. I kept thinking to myself how primitive and unintelligent war is for solving the problems of humanity.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9266583 - 11/18/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like how when the 20 year old squad leader asks for the bowl from the other guy he starts giggling all stoned, so funny.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Phish_Dude]
#9266600 - 11/18/08 03:24 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: Yeah man, your a pawn in someone elses game. It sounds like you want to become this technician because of the money. If you like blowing stuff up it doesn't have to be designed to kill people. You can work someplace else, and if money is THAT important to ya, than my words do no good. You just another player in that game...
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Drunken_Jester said: What the fuck, I can't believe I used to be so faggy when it came to the topic of military. I kinda held the same hippie mentality, probably cause of the psychedelics. I'm thinking about joining the Airforce cause quite frankly, I like adventure. They aren't "on the clock" soldiers 24/7 (unless they're in Iraq, they get time off man, I went to a base in South Dakota where my sister is and they live pretty normal lives.
But it's your right to live like Ghandi if you want.
If you like adventure join the Peace Corps you get to travel and get paid for it too. That way you can still get the thrill of travel and you are helping people in third world countries as opposed to fortifying our influences on other countries through military force.
have you ever tried to get into the peace corps? i have, it's not as easy as calling them up and telling them to send you to china or some shit. i bet over half the people on here wouldnt even be accepted.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: blood4blood]
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I never tried what kind of "qualifications" for lack of a better word does it require?
I can bearly get into anything thing anymore cuz im white and all of these things want "cultural diversity"
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you need background in something like aids prevention, humanitarin aid, plumbing, contracting, etc, etc. they just wont take anybody into the corps. and its a long process and the application is even longer. i finially got accepted this summer. 2 years after i signed up. iam a journey man plumber and was going to help with irragation. but it took so long i decided against it and went with WOOFING.
OP- good luck my friend, just dont let them brain wash you.
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Cognitive_Shift said: Yeah i was just at a party a couple weeks ago and there as some dude there that was my age and he had to use a cain. So we were outside smoking a couple bowls and he ended up telling his story of getting hit by an IED and being thrown like some 30 feet away from his humvee. I kept thinking to myself how primitive and unintelligent war is for solving the problems of humanity.
I know what you are saying, especially large scale war (pinnacle being WWII) is so shitty. However I dunno, I still respect war, its just the way it is for physical beings that live in a world where there are some limited resources. That being said war happens often times because it it easier than thinking harder and changing things in nonviolent ways, but sometimes you have to hurt people to make things happen. I guess it sucks
I guess sometimes I get annoyed with people that espouse Christian type ideals about being anti-war when they haven't themselves really realized just how important war is. There will never be an end to war so long as life exists.
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I would rather make a living doing something i love, than becoming a killing machine. And i know not everyone in the military is an soldier fighting and killing, and if not your still aiding killing machines.
I hate to break it to you boss, but I got into the Army to help people and that's exactly what I do. My Army career is directly responsible for my job doing EMS for my county's ambulance service. I guarantee you that I have helped orders of magnitude more people thanks to my Army career than I have hurt.. directly or indirectly.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
#9266746 - 11/18/08 03:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would rather make a living doing something i love, than becoming a killing machine. And i know not everyone in the military is an soldier fighting and killing, and if not your still aiding killing machines.
I hate to break it to you boss, but I got into the Army to help people and that's exactly what I do. My Army career is directly responsible for the job I hold doing EMS for my county's first-response ambulance service. I guarantee you that I have helped orders of magnitude more people thanks to my Army career than I have hurt.. directly or indirectly.
Yes, you individually, however if the institution of the military didn't fight in the first place there would be no one to save. The only reason the people in the military want you there is that when someone doesn't die they can hopfully get up and fight again when their well. They would like to use humans as a renewable resource because it saves money. And the people that run the military love money. IMO
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You god damn hippies make me sick.
If you think a nation can successfully exist without a military, you're crazy. Of course it would be nice to live in a world where you could run gayly through the daisy fields and hold hands all day, but that is not reality.
Having said that, I have much respect for the EOD guys as they are doing a great service for our troops. Good luck in your endeavors, OP.
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Yes, you individually, however if the institution of the military didn't fight in the first place there would be no one to save. The only reason the people in the military want you there is that when someone doesn't die they can hopfully get up and fight again when their well. They would like to use humans as a renewable resource because it saves money. And the people that run the military love money. IMO
Maybe you should read a little closer.. the people on the street who can't breathe or are having chest pain need help regardless of whether or not the military is fighting. I go and help them. I can do that in large part thanks to my time in the Army.
If you don't like the military, that's fine. There are a lot of people who want to serve, learn something, get some cash, make some friends, and have a good time. Maybe you'll end up dead in Iraq.. that's the risk you take.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: skydog]
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I'm not a fucking hippie lol, I'm an academic. Do you know how unnecessary war is? The only reason we have it NOW in the late modernism and capitalism era is because it makes money. Ever heard of the military industrial complex? Eisenhower warned us of it in his farewell adress its not a hard concept to understand. Yet we still feed the machine! This is not intelligent behavior. We have the resources to make a better world, the doors are there to a better world where war is not necessary, our society has just fallen sick with all these nit-wit ideologies of money, male dominance, materialism, attention to the visible surface of things. Where is this going i might ask my self, and my conclusion is down the shit hole of a society basically commiting genocide of human values, there making us morons who just work and buy material goods. What good comes out of that?
And at the center of all of this is the military. Its what makes the Work, come home absorb advertisements that tell us what ever we have isn't good enough, go out and buy mentality. And the cycle continues.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
#9266917 - 11/18/08 04:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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i personally wouldn't join. but i give my upmost respect for anyone who does. my wife has been in since 99 and is getting out in Dec. she did two tours in Iraq and 1 in Italy. it's a way of life for her and for everyone that's enlisted or have been discharged. I or the people in here ragging on the milatry have no idea what it's about. alot of things have happened to me good and bad because of my wife being in the milatary but iam still very proud of her and proud of what she's done.
when were being invaded by a foriegn force remember these words you wrote on the boards today and who you goto look for safety from.
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Cognitive_Shift said: I'm not a fucking hippie lol, I'm an academic. Do you know how unnecessary war is? The only reason we have it NOW in the late modernism and capitalism era is because it makes money. Ever heard of the military industrial complex? Eisenhower warned us of it in his farewell adress its not a hard concept to understand. Yet we still feed the machine! This is not intelligent behavior. We have the resources to make a better world, the doors are there to a better world where war is not necessary, our society has just fallen sick with all these nit-wit ideologies of money, male dominance, materialism, attention to the visible surface of things. Where is this going i might ask my self, and my conclusion is down the shit hole of a society basically commiting genocide of human values, there making us morons who just work and buy material goods. What good comes out of that?
And at the center of all of this is the military. Its what makes the Work, come home absorb advertisements that tell us what ever we have isn't good enough, go out and buy mentality. And the cycle continues.
That all sounds fine and dandy, but for war not to exist we'd have to convince every other nation on Earth these concepts, and I'm sure you know there are countries out there that have declared a religious war, and many of them have fundamentalists who are extremely violent. Religion is a big war factor and trying to change a religious person opinion ain't easy.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: blood4blood]
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blood4blood said: when were being invaded by a foriegn force remember these words you wrote on the boards today and who you goto look for safety from.
yeah, like how iraq would've invaded us unless we took preemptive action!
militaries should be used for civil defense, not spreading capitalism and planting mcdonalds in every country.
the founding fathers were against military action without justification, and were only to be used in civil defense.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Drunken_Jester]
#9267112 - 11/18/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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EOD has great pay, you can get attached to SF or other cool-guy units. You get to drive crazy bomb-resistant vehicles.
You also get to wear a 70 pound bomb suit in 130 degree heat while a nervous chemical unit guy waits anxiously to make sure the bomb you're disarming doesn't have chem agents in it.
I got my 10k in the beginning for a 5 year contract I just finished. I've got about 60-80 days left as a Staff Sergeant before I'm just another herb-smoking shroomerite like everyone else here.
EOD carries a very real and significant risk. After I lost my hand in Iraq, I met with a LOT of limbless EOD soldiers in the hospital.
Great 5 years, wouldn't take a minute of the bullshit, horror, joy and adventure back.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Phish_Dude]
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Phish_Dude said: FUCK NO! money is worthless if I have to bring harm to myself/ others to get it, even if I'm not fighting there's no way I'd support that dirty system.
do you have a job?
Yeah I do, and all I'm saying if you want to but into that sort of thing than great. But it is just immoral IMO.
assuming you pay taxes then you're supporting that war machine, as for morality, it's subjective, some people see drug use and pornography or pre marital sex as immoral
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Drunken_Jester]
#9267171 - 11/18/08 04:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, there is war. And there is also defending ourselves. Look at what we fight about today. For example i am an american citizen. We were attacked on 9/11 by radical muslim terrorists (or so im told by the media, however there is direct conflict in scientific/physical data to this hypothesis which im not going to go there.) So we were attacked. Its a natural reaction for humans to defend ourselves, but thats not what the US is doing. This is not a "war on terrorism" this is "lets kill everyone thats in the way of me making more money" and by me, im talking about the power elites. The people that don't want you to know they exist. For example Columbia, Columbia corporation is owned by someone, i don't know who but thats exactly what they want you to think, they don't want you to figure it out. They want you to just buy into their ideologies, and they are very influential. They own CBS (Columbia Broadcasting System), Columbia pictures, Columbia Records, Columbia business school the list goes on and on. This is all owned by someone! And whats on their agenda for the rest of us? Turning us into "slack jawed half baked morons" consuming all of there products so they can make more money. The corporations are more powerful and influential than governments in this society. If you don't know how the monetary system works in this country I suggest you read up, it is specifically designed to make a few friends and family rich and the rest of us poor, and it gets more extreme over time. Look at the streets on the US, there are people starving to death, many people don't have enough money to go to the doctor. Everything has become a business to get more money. Money has become more important than fellow man. And what im trying to get at here is that at the center of all of this fetishism with money is the Military Industrial Complex. When you sign up for the military you are not becoming "army strong" you are a pawn in someone elses game, a pawn in someone elses business to get more money. Does this make you sick at all? Cuz it makes me sick, and the reason it makes me sick is because it doesn't have to be this way. We can change it! Abraham lincoln once said "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." and he also said this "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world."
That is what america is about, not all of this garbage we are consuming today, people need to wake up and stop buying into all this bullshit fed through mainstream media.
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tl; dr
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Yes, life isn't fair.
Yes, the world is ruled by money and those who have it.
Yes, we fight meaningless wars over pieces of imaginary paper.
How do you propose to change this? If you're talking about establishing a common revolution for altruism, justice, and a fair world, this all sounds great... but it takes power to change the world, and once you give people that, they no longer will want to espouse morality and good principles.
Revolutions may start from good ideas, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
#9267240 - 11/18/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well i would love to have a revolution, however i'm confused on where to start. People that have tried are mudered by so called "crazy people." Like John Lennon, Malcom X, Martin Luther King, Gandhi so on and so forth, i don't know how we could revolt without becoming murdered.
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you'll serve your cause better with a hole in your head.
Look at Jesus, and follow his example.
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Cognitive_Shift said: Well i would love to have a revolution, however i'm confused on where to start. People that have tried are mudered by so called "crazy people." Like John Lennon, Malcom X, Martin Luther King, Gandhi so on and so forth, i don't know how we could revolt without becoming murdered.
I'd worry more about the outcome of the revolution than just getting it started. Just look at what happened to the Russian one... idealistic, humanitarian principles were corrupted by totalitarian power-seekers for their own ends.
Corruption and moral decadence with the advent of power is inevitable, IMO.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Crasher]
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Crasher said: you'll serve your cause better with a hole in your head.
There is no proff jesus existed, he could be a fictional character, the only thing i know is what i experience. And wow^^ that quote thanks man
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Yea, I hear you. War does make me sick, but did you ever think that these "pawns" wanted to be part of the game. I agree the military is a business, and we need war to fund it. But it is necessary, at least for me it is, just like a firearm is for a home.
At the end of the day I would rather live peacefully, but the fact is we're humans that are capable of both bad/good extremes, in this regard the universe is always trying to balance out. I think the only time we can ever be at peace is in death.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
#9267323 - 11/18/08 05:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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revolution will happen, i believe marx was correct when he said that capitalism is not sustainable, and will inevitably collapse. i wouldn't worry too much about the outcome either because the masses rule over the few, i have hope for humanity.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
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Well for a start it would help if we had the most intelligent people running the new revolution and system of society, instead of the one that got there through corruption and political connections. And this new world i once dream of may not be plausible to some, but if there is anything i have learned from experience (especially psychedelic) as that there are more possibilities than your mind can possible fathom.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Drunken_Jester]
#9267336 - 11/18/08 05:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Drunken_Jester said: At the end of the day I would rather live peacefully, but the fact is we're humans that are capable of both bad/good extremes, in this regard the universe is always trying to balance out. I think the only time we can ever be at peace is in death.
then die!
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Crasher said: you'll serve your cause better with a hole in your head.
There is no proff jesus existed, he could be a fictional character, the only thing i know is what i experience. And wow^^ that quote thanks man
actually there is proof he existed but jesus kept the holes in his hands feet and gizzard
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#9267358 - 11/18/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Google "The Venus Project" its a start....
"The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture. There are many people today who are concerned with the serious problems that face our modern society: unemployment, violent crime, replacement of humans by technology, over-population and a decline in the Earth's ecosystems. As you will see, The Venus Project is dedicated to confronting all of these problems by actively engaging in the research, development, and application of workable solutions. Through the use of innovative approaches to social awareness, educational incentives, and the consistent application of the best that science and technology can offer directly to the social system, The Venus Project offers a comprehensive plan for social reclamation in which human beings, technology, and nature will be able to coexist in a long-term, sustainable state of dynamic equilibrium."
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Cognitive_Shift said: Well for a start it would help if we had the most intelligent people running the new revolution and system of society, instead of the one that got there through corruption and political connections. And this new world i once dream of may not be plausible to some, but if there is anything i have learned from experience (especially psychedelic) as that there are more possibilities than your mind can possible fathom.
It's very easy to espouse justice and fairness when you're at the bottom, but it's a lot harder keeping those principles if you have absolute power.
My main problem with establishing a new world is a.) old habits die hard; any effort to overthrow the pre-established system would produce more bloodshed, murder, and violence than would keeping the system in place, and b.) if it were possible to establish paradise on earth, why haven't we accomplished this yet?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
#9267421 - 11/18/08 05:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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deCypher said: b.) if it were possible to establish paradise on earth, why haven't we accomplished this yet?
Not paradise, just not this terrible method of a society, "it wastes resources, its inefficient, it runs on stereotypes which are in turn caused by low sampling rates making everyone seem a like when in fact the beauty of it, is that we are all different. Its just flat out flawed!"
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IMO America works remarkably well.
We have some of the best freedoms in the world; what specifically do you see as being wrong in our current government?
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i could go on for days, i will make it short
If you have the time, i would suggest watching the two hour movie. It will show you where im coming from with all of this revolution talk
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HWY GUYS THANKS FOR FUCKIN HIJACKING MY THREAD.
@CRASHER Thanks for the insight. I understand EOD guys have abit to risk going out there disarming bombs and such but the infantry was my other choice and frankly id like to come out of the army with something to keep me with a job state side. EOD holds that i believe. If i get out with all my limbs il be happy...
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
#9267521 - 11/18/08 05:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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consumerism.
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Yeah, I've been meaning to get around to seeing Zeitgeist for some time now.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Drunken_Jester]
#9267548 - 11/18/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Revolutions may start from good ideas, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
#9267554 - 11/18/08 05:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is the second one, much better and truthful than the original.
Seriously sit down and watch it, it will blow your mind.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
#9267563 - 11/18/08 05:40 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Revolutions may start from good ideas, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
so we are in hell right now?
american revolution?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#9267576 - 11/18/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sure, everything's peaches-and-cream for a short time afterward, but how long was it before money, political corruption, and the shameless abuse of democratic ideals took place within America after the Revolution?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
#9267613 - 11/18/08 05:46 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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i don't understand your question, are you saying all of those happened after the american revolution?
i think it's the opposite, after revolution there is unrest, after which people start questioning what is best.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#9267634 - 11/18/08 05:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, but for a time (at least, hopefully) the new society actually lives up to its idealistic principles before it's corrupted again.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
#9267647 - 11/18/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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whereupon another revolution happens, and so happens until the people find a "perfect" system, or utopia.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#9267656 - 11/18/08 05:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Or it's an endless cycle between fascism and anarchy.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
#9267668 - 11/18/08 05:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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i'll give it 50/50.
i'm confident enough that there are smart enough people who can establish a system where the people will agree.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
#9267729 - 11/18/08 06:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOL WHAT
Wow Sooo by me wanting to go EOD(Explosive Ordnance Disposal). I am aiding the "killing machine" by defusing ied's and such that could have hurt/killed a soldier or innocent civilian?
Apologies, i skipped over the last 2 pages. Just wanna widen the lens a tad.
Us and Them:
Us: We like living pimp! Greed is fun. Shit, pimp is expensive! Let's exploit others! Hay there's someone to exploit! Them: At least it's some money... Them: ...ok this shit is unfair. Leave! Us: No! Them: GTFO *force* Us: I'm muscly! *BOMB* Them: Fuck. They strong. How we fight? Them: Guerilla warfare! Us: FUCK. This again?! *BOMB* Them: Hay mr.taliban recruiter, I just got done picking up my 5 year old from around town (still missing a leg, heh) and now im bored. cana join devil fighters? Us: IEDs too effective. Why so much? We bomb! Why no worky. We hire anti-IED! You: Hay guyz! I cleared the road! I save ur life! Us: Yay! Thanks AJ4U! Let's go kill us some sand niggers! lawl!
.....granted it's a bit more complex than that. But you get the idea. People are killed for resources.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: RuNE]
#9267785 - 11/18/08 06:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOL WHAT
Wow Sooo by me wanting to go EOD(Explosive Ordnance Disposal). I am aiding the "killing machine" by defusing ied's and such that could have hurt/killed a soldier or innocent civilian?
Apologies, i skipped over the last 2 pages. Just wanna widen the lens a tad.
Us and Them:
Us: We like living pimp! Greed is fun. Shit, pimp is expensive! Let's exploit others! Hay there's someone to exploit! Them: At least it's some money... Them: ...ok this shit is unfair. Leave! Us: No! Them: GTFO *force* Us: I'm muscly! *BOMB* Them: Fuck. They strong. How we fight? Them: Guerilla warfare! Us: FUCK. This again?! *BOMB* Them: Hay mr.taliban recruiter, I just got done picking up my 5 year old from around town (still missing a leg, heh) and now im bored. cana join devil fighters? Us: IEDs too effective. Why so much? We bomb! Why no worky. We hire anti-IED! You: Hay guyz! I cleared the road! I save ur life! Us: Yay! Thanks AJ4U! Let's go kill us some sand niggers! lawl!
.....granted it's a bit more complex than that. But you get the idea. People are killed for resources.
I dont even no where to start.
The ied was just an example with the theater our country is currently deployed. EOD also team up with secret service for vip missions inside the states.
Oh btw- Im trying to disarm the bomb that blew up that kid and save the father from picking up the pieces.
You have to take the good with the bad and your generalization of the United States and Military is just atrocious
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
#9267800 - 11/18/08 06:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Revolutions may start from good ideas, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
actually it's littered with the bodies of those that were too dumb to duck
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: RuNE]
#9267813 - 11/18/08 06:14 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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RuNE said: People are killed for resources.
people are also killed for sneakers, jackets and colors
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9267827 - 11/18/08 06:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Prisoner did you serve at all? Where you from? I like the way you think
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9267873 - 11/18/08 06:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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hey, you should go and disarm the MILLIONS of TONS of bombs that the US military dropped all over the south pacific.
no liabilities for the fucking military these days.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: RuNE]
#9267906 - 11/18/08 06:24 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOL WHAT
Wow Sooo by me wanting to go EOD(Explosive Ordnance Disposal). I am aiding the "killing machine" by defusing ied's and such that could have hurt/killed a soldier or innocent civilian?
Apologies, i skipped over the last 2 pages. Just wanna widen the lens a tad.
Us and Them:
Us: We like living pimp! Greed is fun. Shit, pimp is expensive! Let's exploit others! Hay there's someone to exploit! Them: At least it's some money... Them: ...ok this shit is unfair. Leave! Us: No! Them: GTFO *force* Us: I'm muscly! *BOMB* Them: Fuck. They strong. How we fight? Them: Guerilla warfare! Us: FUCK. This again?! *BOMB* Them: Hay mr.taliban recruiter, I just got done picking up my 5 year old from around town (still missing a leg, heh) and now im bored. cana join devil fighters? Us: IEDs too effective. Why so much? We bomb! Why no worky. We hire anti-IED! You: Hay guyz! I cleared the road! I save ur life! Us: Yay! Thanks AJ4U! Let's go kill us some sand niggers! lawl!
.....granted it's a bit more complex than that. But you get the idea. People are killed for resources.
This is one of the worst post I've ever read.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: skydog]
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that was a very special post
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Ziplok]
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I really must have missed the sarcasm in that post, cause theres no way he was serious haha
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
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AJ4U said: Prisoner did you serve at all? Where you from? I like the way you think
There really is no "way to think" about this. you join, you 1.support a giant bully that armed the Jews to kick the Palestinians out of where they had lived for fifteen times longer then it has been since we began killing the Natives here(so, without being hypocrytical you can't use the "they stole it first excuse") 2.you support the bombing of civilian homes in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan(remember, in war civilians are targets) 3.you support the illegal occupation of a sovereign nation that we help design, putting three Muslim sects that hate each other together, making us responsible for their lives too 4.I'll take a line from fate's Warning, you support the "Murder Machine". McCain bombed villages in Nam, full of people to stop the imagined spread of an ideology that threatened our economy. It's not just a jub, it bathes your hands in blood. 5. You support the people who call the people we kill Jihad, Gooks, Towel Heads, and Sand Niggers. The people who are too ignorant and weak to see that they are like us, at least more like us then they are differant.
You kill outside of the military, you support the Prison Industrial Complex, in you support the Military industrial Complex. Watch this http://ivaw.org/video
It's made pretty much by vertans against the war. There is nothing honerable about being part of the Mafia just because it's wrapped in a flag and headed by someone elected by an unenlightened populace.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: doom876]
#9268149 - 11/18/08 07:00 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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doom876 said: There really is no "way to think" about this. you join, you 1.support a giant bully that armed the Jews to kick the Palestinians out of where they had lived for fifteen times longer then it has been since we began killing the Natives here(so, without being hypocrytical you can't use the "they stole it first excuse")
This just jumped out at me, do some research, we armed both sides and continue to arm both sides, we want them in a state of war. Does that make it any better...no not really
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Cognitive_Shift said: I'd rather be poor, actually i would rather be dead than be a pawn for someone else's own vested interests
then how bout you quit posting in this guys thread
he doesnt give a fuck about your stance on the war in iraq or your belief of the government
he is asking people IN the service or retired their opinions of the job THEY had.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
#9268285 - 11/18/08 07:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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then how bout you quit posting in this guys thread
he doesnt give a fuck about your stance on the war in iraq or your belief of the government
he is asking people IN the service or retired their opinions of the job THEY had.
I made that point two pages ago.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: andrewss]
#9268461 - 11/18/08 07:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean in one way or the other just by living in America and paying any sort of taxes you are supporting it still.
Yes. I'm as anti-war & anti-imperialist as anyone here (probably the most, actually), & I agree with you (on this, anyways). For any tax-paying American citizen to condemn or otherwise verbally attack random, individual military personnel is not only very self-righteous, but also fundamentally hypocritical.
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EntheogenicPeace said: For any tax-paying American citizen to condemn or otherwise verbally attack random, individual military personnel is not only very self-righteous, but also fundamentally hypocritical.
Entirely depends on the reason for the verbal attack.
I pay taxes because I don't want to get thrown into jail. If I don't like what our army is doing, then I won't support the troops. Condemning military personnel is only hypocritical if you yourself support the army.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
#9268519 - 11/18/08 07:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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right, it's not like we can proportionate what amount of our taxes go toward the military.
edit: wrong vocab.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: KillerPicklez]
#9268530 - 11/18/08 07:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: I'd rather be poor, actually i would rather be dead than be a pawn for someone else's own vested interests
then how bout you quit posting in this guys thread
Relax dude
I won't anymore.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: skydog]
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
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Good thing I don't care about having "moral" authority with which to argue my case, then.
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To all who think the world IS the way it is and we can't change it....
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I like it when people say, oh a world with out war/conflict is impossible
The only reason we have war/conflict is because of scarcity. And scarcity is what gives material things value in a monetary society.
what naive thinking when someone says its not possible to live in a "hippie dream world" why don't you invest 5 minutes on learning about the Venus project in my signature.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
#9268662 - 11/18/08 08:14 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Which branch offers the most pay? I have a college degree with 2 majors and a minor.
I am thinking the airforce is where it is at?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: blood4blood]
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Cognitive_Shift said: The only reason we have war/conflict is because of scarcity. And scarcity is what gives material things value in a monetary society.
Not a bad reason for war. But when everyone has an equal amount of resources, there is all the more motivation for someone to try and get just a little bit more than his neighbors, or to take advantage of the system (as what happened under Communist rule).
And what about conflict resulting from boredom?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
#9268690 - 11/18/08 08:18 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does the CIA pay more than the regular military branches?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Liquidkick]
#9268704 - 11/18/08 08:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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join the dea so you can steal peoples drugs.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
#9268710 - 11/18/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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No no no, when there is abundance, for instance air. Air is in such abundance that no one tries to put a price on it. When you create everything in abundance there is no need for anything to have value at all. There is no need for money, and with the increase in technology this can happen. What about bordom? you ask cyph, that's where the human imagination leads us into the next step in evolution. And some people will say, you need money for motivation! No one will be motivated unless there is a money reward. And this is just thinking of a person who has been brought up in a society that preaches money, and making money. When you don't have money people don't sell their painting, they give them to people. If one has never experienced money before, giving someone that painting is all the reward they need.
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How is that hypocritical? I don't choose to give my money to the Man to fund the war machine; I instead only give my money to the Man because otherwise the Man would send me to prison.
I can certainly condemn people for their role in supporting the war machine if they do it voluntarily.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Liquidkick]
#9268744 - 11/18/08 08:25 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Liquidkick said: Which branch offers the most pay? I have a college degree with 2 majors and a minor.
I am thinking the airforce is where it is at?
The Marine Corps, Army, Navy, Air Force, and US Coast Guard all pay according to the same scale. You're paid by rank in each branch. An E-1 in the Army makes the same as an E-1 in the Air Force. You can do a US military payscale search at Google to find out more.
However, the Army seems to offer the best enlistment bonuses. I think the max is $40k. Most MOS have a signing bonus of a few thousand ($3k-$10k, depending on MOS and length of commitment), plus you can get several other bonuses (i.e.: having a college degree gets you a few more thousand). All the bonuses added together cannot exceed $40k, and I'm pretty sure these are taxable.
The Marine Corps offers very little in the way of signing bonuses. Marines often contend that they are superior to the Army because those who enlist with the Marines do it because of honor and shit, not fat bonuses.
About.com has a bunch of information on the military. MOS, payscales, schools, etc.
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Hmm. I'll agree with you in that if there's ever a state where every individual's wants are met, most rational motivations that cause evil and suffering will be eliminated.
But this not only presumes the existence of such a state (which it looks like many, many years will have to pass until technology reaches that level), but it presumes that no individual's wants conflict with any others.
What if I want a house on top of this specific mountain? What if another person likewise wants his house on top? There is only a finite amount of space on Earth, and exponentially increasing numbers of people, each of which with drastically different desires, predispositions, and morals.
What about the people genetically predisposed towards evil? Bullies appear to enjoy watching other people suffer; equalizing resources will only make it slightly more difficult for evil-minded people to wreak their agenda on others.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: supra]
#9268769 - 11/18/08 08:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: To all who think the world IS the way it is and we can't change it....
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I like it when people say, oh a world with out war/conflict is impossible
The only reason we have war/conflict is because of scarcity. And scarcity is what gives material things value in a monetary society.
what naive thinking when someone says its not possible to live in a "hippie dream world" why don't you invest 5 minutes on learning about the Venus project in my signature.
Are you responding to me? I never said you said that. I just said he wasnt asking for your hippie propaganda is his thread
hes asking advice from service members about a job he wants to do
And OP- you should be able to get at least a 15,000$ signing bonus afoaf got 20,000$ 3 years ago
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: skydog]
#9268784 - 11/18/08 08:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, ok, f the military.
Not enough money for me.
I would go only if i could get a chance at SF or CIA operative, forget the rest of the other jobs.
Maybe a fighter pilot would be fine too... but my eyes are starting to get a little messed up...
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
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What if you had no clothes apart from those that you can only buy at that retail store?
And if they jailed you if you didn't buy them there?
I mean, obviously I have a choice to pay taxes but it's not true that by paying taxes I voluntarily choose to support the military; this is an unintended side effect of my not wanting to be put into federal prison.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Liquidkick]
#9268865 - 11/18/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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With a college degree, you can have a shot at OCS to become a commissioned officer. In the Marine Corps, you can get an Air Contract and upon completing OCS, you will be on track to becoming a pilot (though I don't think you get to choose what kind of aircraft you fly). You might fly choppers or fixed wing aircrafts.
As far as SF goes, there is an 18X contract that you should be eligible for. If you enlist with the 18X, you are guaranteed a shot at SF Selection. If you pass, and can handle all the training, you will be a Green Beret.
It seems like military personnel make really shit pay to me (well if you're an enlisted man anyway), but taking the free housing and free food and such into account, I bet they clear a decent amount. Maybe some prior enlisted men could weight in on this?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Liquidkick]
#9268886 - 11/18/08 08:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can get a direct commission with a bachelor's degree depending on the field, and probably a nice enlistment bonus. If you want SF (18X) contract, a degree will help you. A degree would help you get into flight too, but those slots are much more competitive for non-prior service. Your vision can be corrected through laser surgery and still be eligible for flight.. in the Army anyway.. not sure about the AF.
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It seems like military personnel make really shit pay to me (well if you're an enlisted man anyway), but taking the free housing and free food and such into account, I bet they clear a decent amount.
BAH and BAS can really add up. O/1 pay is much better than E/1 pay.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
#9268899 - 11/18/08 08:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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which it looks like many, many years will have to pass until technology reaches that level
Look how many jobs have been replaced by technology in the past 100 years, and technology is growing at a faster and faster rate. And by the way if we used Tital, Wind, Wave and Light energy we don't need to use fossil fuels ever again, A 2006 report on geothermal energy harness at MIT entitled "The Future of Geothermal Energy: Impact of geothermal systems [EGS] on the United States in the 21st century" found that 13,000 ZJ of power are currently available in the earth. With 2,000 ZJ being easily tap able with our technology right now. The consumption of all energy in every country in earth uses about .5 ZJ per year. This means that there is 4,000 years of available energy, pure clean energy. We have all of the technology to cut our selves off from fossil fuels right the second and have energy forever. The only reason we don't is because these resources are so abundant they have no value, and if something has no value its not worth money, and thus in our society today is not worth perusing (yes its sad but true). And as for the people fighting over a house on a mountain top...That is an individual conflict, sharing is also a possibility. These are just ideas to make the world a better place, not perfect place.
Oh yes i almost forgot there is a battent for a batery operated car that can travel 100 miles per hour for up to 200 miles exists RIGHT NOW. Its just owned by mercedes benz.... so fucked up.
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The real question is what we're going to do once we have all that free time on our hands.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
#9268916 - 11/18/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anyone tell me how to sign up for the CIA and go for the operative position?
maybe better pay too....?
Some recruiter told me the easiest way is SF --->CIA
He could of been lying to me though...
basically...
here is the formula that i use....
lots of money + unique job = sign me up.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
#9268939 - 11/18/08 08:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Learn, dance, read, write, sing, travel so on and so forth.
Do what you love!
Spend time with friends and family, talk about philosophy.
For this is what life is all about, not this consumer bullshit being programed into our heads by a group of people with a fucked up agenda for the human race.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
#9268999 - 11/18/08 08:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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SF is going to collapse into something that doesn't remotely resemble its initial conception in the next 5 years. all 5 active duty groups are adding new batallions and about 50% of the old guys are splitting as we speak.
The influx of 18x rays, especially after '05, has caused a big amount of restructuring. It's easy to get a green hat, but you're going to find yourself deployed almost constantly until you get out, die, or retire.
EOD, (to the OP) does a lot of domestic work in the states too, and your skills will pay off pretty big. SF, on the other hand, only really leaves security contracts or acronyms looking for you to join when you're done.
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EntheogenicPeace said: People (in the U.S.) live in a manner below what requires paying income taxes to support the war machine; very few, of course, do this voluntarily, but a few do. It may not be glamorous (unless you're kind of a person who likes the prospect of communing more directly & intimately with our Sacred Mother free from consumerist bourgeois materialism), but they're also not wearing loin-clothes out in a forested area hunting game mammals & birds with spears and bow & arrows.
I must admit, the hippie lifestyle is a damned tempting option, but I still have somewhat of an ambitious drive to get out there into the civilized world and make things change.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Liquidkick]
#9269024 - 11/18/08 09:03 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Liquidkick said: Anyone tell me how to sign up for the CIA and go for the operative position?
maybe better pay too....?
Some recruiter told me the easiest way is SF --->CIA
He could of been lying to me though...
basically...
here is the formula that i use....
lots of money + unique job = sign me up.
Going SF to CIA won't get you very far. You need a BA or higher degree to go into the ops side. They work together a lot in the field as is, but the dudes who go from snake-eater to spook seem to get the short end of the stick.
Being in SOCOM brings in PLENTY of other DoD offers that bring in the same clandestine taskings with decent cash. there are a few guys that will come knocking on your door after you get your green hat looking for you to ghost yourself for the greater good.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Crasher]
#9269036 - 11/18/08 09:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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well i have the degree covered... i want to be a ghost!
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Crasher]
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It takes patience, a willingness to leave any family you have for a long time, and a dedication to doing some crazy shit the globe over.
Good luck with that.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Crasher]
#9269241 - 11/18/08 09:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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How was SERE?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: skydog]
#9269269 - 11/18/08 09:37 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Best school in the Army. Best 3 weeks of my life. SERE should be a prerequisite to American citizenship!
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9269322 - 11/18/08 09:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I work for the Army.... kind of
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Boom]
#9269325 - 11/18/08 09:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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do elaborate.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Boom]
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Crasher]
#9269333 - 11/18/08 09:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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billable hours and such
I work for a contractor
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Boom]
#9269353 - 11/18/08 09:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well that narrows it down to about several thousand contractors.
My favorite is Lighthouse for the Blind. Blind people make my parachute harness.
Blind people and parachutes.
Gotta love the Army!
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Crasher]
#9269381 - 11/18/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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hehe they sure do make good decisions
we do tech shit for them
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Boom]
#9269413 - 11/18/08 09:58 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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sweet. I thought about finding a contractor after Army life, but I don't know. At this point I want to put some distance between myself and Joe.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Crasher]
#9269578 - 11/18/08 10:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crasher said: Best school in the Army. Best 3 weeks of my life. SERE should be a prerequisite to American citizenship!
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: skydog]
#9269936 - 11/18/08 11:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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ever been?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Crasher]
#9270015 - 11/18/08 11:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nope, I'm not even in the military, but I've read a good bit about SERE. Seems like a good time. The common response on SERE I've seen is, "glad I did it, glad I don't have to go back," or so.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: skydog]
#9270069 - 11/18/08 11:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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sounds about right. good times. naked, hosed off with cold water, beaten in front of your friends.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: skydog]
#9270206 - 11/19/08 12:16 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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There was some debate about genetic traits and predisposition to special ops after they first published those findings.
in any case, kudos on finding that.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Crasher]
#9270221 - 11/19/08 12:19 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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4 years time served
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: nalyudi]
#9270232 - 11/19/08 12:22 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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congrats on getting out and thanks for playing. Five years behind me and 60 days in front.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Crasher]
#9270238 - 11/19/08 12:22 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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4 years served on a 6 year sentance
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: nalyudi]
#9270244 - 11/19/08 12:23 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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you get put out for something?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Crasher]
#9270288 - 11/19/08 12:30 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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nope, currently on active status. just not a huge moral/ethical supporter of what the gov uses the army for, so i dont really fly the flag. oh and the ridiculous amount of money the army wastes pisses me off
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: nalyudi]
#9270347 - 11/19/08 12:44 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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gotcha. I feel the same way about a lot of the big Army policies, but I still loved my job. Sooner than later you'll be ditching the ACU's.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: nalyudi]
#9270355 - 11/19/08 12:44 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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With the money we spend on the military in one year, we could send every single high school senior in the united states to a four year college.
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DoD is necessary though. cutting all funds would be straight stupid. when you see first hand the wasting, that is what pisses me off.
also how low standards have dropped. when im getting groceries and see a 300+ pound person waddling around acu's its pretty degrading to a pride in status/symbolism
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then we'd have record numbers of college dropouts and no competent defense.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Crasher]
#9270390 - 11/19/08 12:51 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crasher said: then we'd have record numbers of college dropouts and no competent defense.
True, im just saying a lot of money goes into the military, some of it useful and some of it is just going down that rat hole.
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There are many ratholes. switching money from one dead end to another is trivial. in my opinion, that money should be back in the hands of the people who earned it.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: KillerPicklez]
#9270839 - 11/19/08 04:54 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: To all who think the world IS the way it is and we can't change it....
Pickelz
I like it when people say, oh a world with out war/conflict is impossible
The only reason we have war/conflict is because of scarcity. And scarcity is what gives material things value in a monetary society.
what naive thinking when someone says its not possible to live in a "hippie dream world" why don't you invest 5 minutes on learning about the Venus project in my signature.
Are you responding to me? I never said you said that. I just said he wasnt asking for your hippie propaganda is his thread
hes asking advice from service members about a job he wants to do
And OP- you should be able to get at least a 15,000$ signing bonus afoaf got 20,000$ 3 years ago
Ok but what was the contract signed, his mos?
And to all the fucking dirty hippy thread hijacking dickheads can eat my asshole. Fuckin 100 replys of pure garbage go back to the political forum with your bullshit im having this thread locked i cant even stand to look at it anymore
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Crasher said: then we'd have record numbers of college dropouts and no competent defense.
True, im just saying a lot of money goes into the military, some of it useful and some of it is just going down that rat hole.
Didnt you say 3 pages back you were gonna quit posting in this thread, PLEASE DO IT
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9270922 - 11/19/08 06:13 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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there is proof he existed but jesus kept the holes in his hands feet and gizzard
I usually read your posts Pris because you always seems to come up with cool links etc. What proof is there? seriously, I've been back and forth w/ so many people that have proof but never share. I'm hoping that you'll be able to back this'n up. regards
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Liquidkick]
#9271346 - 11/19/08 08:45 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Liquidkick said: I am thinking the airforce is where it is at?
I served time in the Army, waaay back in the mid-late 80's The Army, IMO is one of the worst military jobs you can get.
Go with the Airforce or Navy
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: niteowl]
#9271354 - 11/19/08 08:48 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey Crasher, did you ever work with USAF Combat Controllers? That looks like a fun job.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: monkeywrench]
#9271530 - 11/19/08 09:53 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: there is proof he existed but jesus kept the holes in his hands feet and gizzard
I usually read your posts Pris because you always seems to come up with cool links etc. What proof is there? seriously, I've been back and forth w/ so many people that have proof but never share. I'm hoping that you'll be able to back this'n up. regards
a few roman scholars have mentioned, here's the quickie wiki link, do a little more reading on Suetonius and Flavius Josephus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#Greco-Roman_sources
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Crasher]
#9272266 - 11/19/08 01:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crasher said: There are many ratholes. switching money from one dead end to another is trivial. in my opinion, that money should be back in the hands of the people who earned it.
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Crasher said: There are many ratholes. switching money from one dead end to another is trivial. in my opinion, that money should be back in the hands of the people who earned it.
More Americans die from getting struck by lightning than they do from terrorist attacks, why are we draining our non existing money into this war? When more people die from heart disease and cancer than anything else, if only we could put some of that money in to more research.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Phish_Dude]
#9272681 - 11/19/08 02:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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According to the National Counter Terrorism Center in 2004 accounted for roughly 2000 deaths world wide from terrorism, of that 2000 68 were American. While the National Center for Health Statistics states 450,000 people die each year in the US from coronary heart disease.Yet we spent federally 3 billion on the heart disease research, and 170 billion in one year to prevent terrorism.
Do you think the country cares about the well being of its people? or money and power? The statistic speaks for its self!
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Cognitive_Shift said: The statistic speaks for its self!
The stats also say that if you want to make money....join the military
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: niteowl]
#9272726 - 11/19/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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FUCK NO! It states if you want to make money, make bombs, guns, missiles and all sorts of weapons to fund the military. Hell make money to join the military 25% of the homeless in the US are veterans....
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9272747 - 11/19/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Didnt you say 3 pages back you were gonna quit posting in this thread, PLEASE DO IT
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
#9272777 - 11/19/08 03:10 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can, i just don't see whats wrong with information?
Unless your so ingrained in cultural values fed through the media that its another ignorant case of "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts."
Does that fact make you feel queezy at all, do you really trust the people running our country? The commander and chief?
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: skydog]
#9272779 - 11/19/08 03:10 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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skydog said: You god damn hippies make me sick.
If you think a nation can successfully exist without a military, you're crazy. Of course it would be nice to live in a world where you could run gayly through the daisy fields and hold hands all day, but that is not reality.
Having said that, I have much respect for the EOD guys as they are doing a great service for our troops. Good luck in your endeavors, OP.
i know it's already probably been said, but...Japan
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AgingHippy]
#9272795 - 11/19/08 03:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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How does that fact make me a hippie. Its called a fact. I think people that understand facts are intelligent people, not hippies.
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I like how all the Americans are afraid of the truth. lol they see a fact like that and there like "god damn counter culture we should just hang all them god damn hippies" lol what naive thinking. Have any of you ever taken a course in American Foreign Policy? I have, and if you have too i would like to talk about what you have learned. And if you haven't and you try to argument a fact. Well then your naive.
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what fact?
if you're talking to me, i wasn't replying to you.
Japan was demilitarized after WWII and they seem to be doing alright. Of course most of the worlds major powers would probably step in right away if anyone attacked them.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AgingHippy]
#9272865 - 11/19/08 03:25 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not you tee, all these people that want me to stop posting in this thread because i make them uncomfortable by presenting a depressing truth. It makes me laugh how fucking stupid American citizens are. Its not hard to figure out where America is going. We have 1 million people on a terrorist watch list. The list is people the US calls "terrorist" just getting in their way of an imperialist oligarchy. The term "terrorist" is also one of the most vague words in the english language imo. And its just the result of not the most intelligent people running our country, but the most corrupt people. Thats what happens in a monetary based society running on a consumer capitalist democracy.
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i have a friend that lives in another country, and someone with his exact same name from that country is on the watch list, so he gets searched every time he goes to the airport
*or maybe that's just what they tell him
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AgingHippy]
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In fact according to the American heritage dictionary the only terrorists there are, are the people running the united states \
Terrorism-
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
Terrorist - a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism
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Cognitive_Shift said: How does that fact make me a hippie. Its called a fact. I think people that understand facts are intelligent people, not hippies.
unfortunately statistics are rarely fact
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9273112 - 11/19/08 04:08 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thats the best you could come up with to try and prove me wrong
wow your misenformed.
Fact - a piece of information about circumstances that exist or events that have occurred
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AgingHippy]
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skydog said: You god damn hippies make me sick.
If you think a nation can successfully exist without a military, you're crazy. Of course it would be nice to live in a world where you could run gayly through the daisy fields and hold hands all day, but that is not reality.
Having said that, I have much respect for the EOD guys as they are doing a great service for our troops. Good luck in your endeavors, OP.
i know it's already probably been said, but...Japan
Check your facts. Japan has a military, and has one of the top 10 yearly military budgets at around $40+ billion per year. Though it is a strictly defense oriented military.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/budget.htm
I agree that the U.S. military budget is outrageous, but what can you expect, fighting wars in two separate countries, as well as clandestine operations in other places.
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Yeah, I wonder which world super power would be right there saving their shit? Gee... let me think about it...
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According to Japanese security policy, maintaining a military establishment is only one method -- and by no means the best method -- to achieve national security. Diplomacy, economic aid and development, and a close relationship with the United States under the terms of the 1960 security treaty are all considered more important.
It's great that you guys criticize the government so much. We need people like you to keep things in check, I guess. I'm not into suppressing one's opinion, but don't come in this thread pretending like you have all the answers, because you most certainly do not.
In addition, I believe Obama's plan is to reduce the military budget 25%. If he's worth a fuck, I guess he'll put that extra money into some of your hippie causes.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: skydog]
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If that's directed to me im not giving any answers, and if i am could you point them out from a previous post? Providing solutions to the problem is the hard part, identifying them is easy.
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extra money into some of your hippie causes
You mean helping humanity, instead of spending money on ways to destroy it? That is what intelligent beings do.
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Unless your so ingrained in cultural values fed through the media that its another ignorant case of "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts."
Hi, Pot.. it's Kettle.
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I like how all the Americans are afraid of the truth. lol they see a fact like that and there like "god damn counter culture we should just hang all them god damn hippies" lol what naive thinking.
Generalize much? Is the supposed naive thinking you decry as naive as pretending that capitalism, consumerism or something as biologically ingrained as human aggression can be overcome in a span of 50 years?
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Not you tee, all these people that want me to stop posting in this thread because i make them uncomfortable by presenting a depressing truth.
No, I want you to stop posting in this thread because the OP has asked you repeatedly to stop your tirades and let him ask his question without having you insult him or shit all over his thread with your unrelated rants about terrorism, monetary policy, and imperialism. So, how about you take your righteousness somewhere else and let AJ4U ask his question free of your unrelated nonsense.
Is that really so much to ask?
edit: By the way, when you're professing you superior intelligence it's good to know that your and you're are two different words.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
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pros and cons man...
without them propaganda would rule the world.
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But we can destroy the rest of the world AND research all of your arbitrary diseases!
http://www.nih.gov/about/budget.htm
No seriously, this humanitarian stuff is great. I just don't understand when you make comments like this:
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With the money we spend on the military in one year, we could send every single high school senior in the united states to a four year college.
Do you really believe that is an intelligent thing to do? When you write stuff like that, it makes me think that you wish we could pull all military funding and put it into researching an arbitrary disease (i.e.: coronary heart disease) so that we can be all humanitarian and PLUR. I just don't get your point.
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edit: By the way, when you're professing you superior intelligence it's good to know that your and you're are two different words.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
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Generalize much? Is the supposed naive thinking you decry as naive as pretending that capitalism, consumerism or something as biologically ingrained as human aggression can be overcome in a span of 50 years?
No, it can happen this second in time. Click on the link in my signature.
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insult him
non-sense?
conduct, action, etc., that is senseless, foolish, or absurd
What i am saying is far from non-sense in fact its the opposite.
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Superior intelligence? When did i ever say that I am more intelligent than anyone else in this thread. And by the way im well aware of the fact that your and you're are two different words. You're implying the contraction you and are versus your implying possession for another person. You still are getting what im saying when i use your vs you're im simply saving time. Do you like to do things slower than it normally takes? Cuz i don't.
The only reason you even bothered typing that quote, is an attempt to try and show me im wrong about something because your incredibly frustrated by the unpleasant reality of what i am saying.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: niteowl]
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Cognitive_Shift said: The statistic speaks for its self!
The stats also say that if you want to make money....join the military
and put in for overseas tour.. you get a nice xtra chunk of change call COLA.
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Not every god damn hippie has the same morals and values.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AgingHippy]
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teefizzle said: what fact?
if you're talking to me, i wasn't replying to you.
Japan was demilitarized after WWII and they seem to be doing alright. Of course most of the worlds major powers would probably step in right away if anyone attacked them.
Japan has what's called a "Self Defense Force". it's kind of a joke though. We have obligations to defend Japan with our military, (hint.. we have a large presence on Japan partly due to that reason) There's Pat-3's all over the place as well. Japan's doing fine because of the military presence. If we didn't have a presence here they would have a much larger force themselves, China would love to gobble JP up.
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Cognitive_Shift said: Click on the link in my signature.
I checked it out awhile back. Here's the mission statement:
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The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture. There are many people today who are concerned with the serious problems that face our modern society: unemployment, violent crime, replacement of humans by technology (What the fuck, this is a serious problem we face? Goddamn, I guess the machines didn't want me to find out .), over-population and a decline in the Earth's ecosystems. As you will see, The Venus Project is dedicated to confronting all of these problems by actively engaging in the research, development, and application of workable solutions. Through the use of innovative approaches to social awareness, educational incentives, and the consistent application of the best that science and technology can offer directly to the social system, The Venus Project offers a comprehensive plan for social reclamation in which human beings, technology, and nature will be able to coexist in a long-term, sustainable state of dynamic equilibrium.
Mr. Fresco is available for lectures. Click here to get more information.
It seems pretty obvious to me that this great Mr. Fresco is trying to turn a buck with this bullshit. Look just under the mission statement:
Talk about consumerism. This dude has you fooled big time. I wonder how much he is banking from this product.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: skydog]
#9273507 - 11/19/08 05:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Please show me where this is very obvious specifically?
In fact he doesn't want money, his whole redesign of culture through a Resource Based Economy, not a monetary. If you actually read what the project offers. Instead of reading the mission statement with the intent of being malignant at looking for a way to prove me wrong.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9273522 - 11/19/08 05:18 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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EOD is pretty dangerous but the latest vehicle systems like the RG-31 or any other MRAP makes it alot safer. When you are deployed make sure you video tape any action or explosions, I want to see it.
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Cog i really gotta thank you for hijacking the shit out of my thread for 10 pages
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9273614 - 11/19/08 05:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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No problem;)
Did you find your answer to your question?
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Cognitive_Shift said: No problem;)
Did you find your answer to your question?
No im to lazy to sort through the shit you took on my thread
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9273621 - 11/19/08 05:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm sorry your too lazy, its there, look for it!
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Im to lazy? No i dont enjoy reading your generalization bullshit. And i shouldn't have to, not in this thread.
So as far as i care, i really hope the we get invaded or attacked. When im out their risking my life to protect your ass youl be sorry.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9273699 - 11/19/08 05:48 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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A) No one has the balls to attack us. Every attack on the united states since the history of its existence was a set up, to gain public support for a war. When someone hits you in the face, don't you wanna hit them back? The gov't knows this, thats why they stage attacks to gain support for 'for hitting them back.' The gulf on Tonkin! We admit that we lied about that! Invading Iraq for WMD, we lied about that! What makes the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, 9/11 so forth and so on any different?!? The only legitimate fear for attack was the Russians in the cold war.
B) Your risking for life for the profit of weapons manufactures and corporations. Cuz war makes money! Sorry if that angers you, it angers me too! Its called the Military Industrial Complex, watch Eisenhower's farewell address, he fucking told us it would happen. And no one did anything to stop it, so we still have it today.
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Cognitive_Shift said: Please show me where this is very obvious specifically?
In fact he doesn't want money, his whole redesign of culture through a Resource Based Economy, not a monetary. If you actually read what the project offers. Instead of reading the mission statement with the intent of being malignant at looking for a way to prove me wrong.
The guy's heart might be in the right place, and he has some interesting ideas. But with that said, anybody who believes the Venus Project can be successfully implemented is reeeaaaaallly fucking out there.
Just for the lulz, check this out. Then read the comments by vincecate and spizzletrunk at the bottom.
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spizzletrunk: I don't think basic economics will apply to the Venus Project. Throw all those thoughts out the window, Bye bye to money. Common goals for the benefit of everyone. I can find other faults withinin the ideas but it has been stated that it isn't perfect. Looks a whole lot better than what is happening now.
This guy cannot be serious. His comment is a pretty classic example of "looks good on paper, but there's no way in fuck it will fly."
Here's the main reason it can never be:
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Fresco states that for this to work, all of the Earth's resources must be held as the common heritage of all people and not just a select few; and the practice of rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant and counterproductive to our survival.
Good luck with that, Mr. Fresco and cohorts.
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Cognitive_Shift said: A) No one has the balls to attack us. Every attack on the united states since the history of its existence was a set up, to gain public support for a war. When someone hits you in the face, don't you wanna hit them back? The gov't knows this, thats why they stage attacks to gain support for 'for hitting them back.' The gulf on Tonkin! We admit that we lied about that! Invading Iraq for WMD, we lied about that! What makes the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, 9/11 so forth and so on any different?!? The only legitimate fear for attack was the Russians in the cold war.
B) Your risking for life for the profit of weapons manufactures and corporations. Cuz war makes money! Sorry if that angers you, it angers me too! Its called the Military Industrial Complex, watch Eisenhower's farewell address, he fucking told us it would happen. And no one did anything to stop it, so we still have it today.
WHAT DO YOU NOT GET YOUR WASTING AIR. I dont wanna hear about your ideas, go make another thread. You still dont get that this isnt the thread to argue your bullshit, go somewhere else as youve been told numerous times.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: skydog]
#9273757 - 11/19/08 05:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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If we use technology to our advantage, we don't have scarcity of any resources, everything is in abundance. And what causes something to have value in a monetary system? Scarcity! What gives the money in your pocket value? How much of it exists in circulation. What gives diamonds and gold value? Because they are scarce. If we use technology in the right way way can eliminate scarcity and thus eliminate the need for a monetary system. And if you still believe in the monetary system, especially the fractional reserve banking system we have in place today works. Than you need to read about it. Buy the book Modern Money Mechanics it will show you that money is created out of debt. The more money in circulation the more debt.
And if you still believe in a monetary system read this
If the thought of eliminating money still troubles you, consider this: If a group of people with gold, diamonds and money were stranded on an island that had no resources such as food, clean air and water, their wealth would be irrelevant to their survival. It is only when resources are scarce that money can be used to control their distribution. One could not, for example, sell the air we breathe or water abundantly flowing down from a mountain stream. Although air and water are valuable, in abundance they cannot be sold.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9273782 - 11/19/08 06:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its not my fault your too lazy to look back through the thread, don't sit back and piss and moan about being lazy. Don't blame me for you lazy ass. And if your really curious, go to a recruitment office...Or are you too lazy to do that?
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Cognitive_Shift said: Its not my fault your too lazy to look back through the thread, don't sit back and piss and moan about being lazy. Don't blame me for you lazy ass. And if your really curious, go to a recruitment office...Or are you too lazy to do that?
But is it your fault that you made countless off-topic posts that cluttered up his thread? Seriously, chill out on the Venus Project stuff. The world is going to shit and only the Venus Project can save us, we get it. I think Fresco just released a new book/dvd/coffee mug that you need to go buy ASAP!
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: skydog]
#9273820 - 11/19/08 06:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well when people tell me what im saying is Quote:
bullshit
people obviously don't get it. Why doesn't anyone actually anazlyze what im saying from an academic point of view instead of a emotionally own vested value point of view? And if what im saying is Quote:
bullshit
then tell me whats better than my Quote:
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Actually i have never bought anything from Fresco. I read his website and listen to his radio shows. Thanks for the in put tho
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Stop!!! I can't take the truth, I'm not -- in...telligent enough
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Holy fuck, man. Why can't you let him have his thread without insulting him? What's your problem? He just wants to ask people what it was like for them while they were in the military, but for some reason you've seen fit to just shit all over him for no reason.
Fuck.
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people obviously don't get it. Why doesn't anyone actually anazlyze what im saying from an academic point of view instead of a emotionally own vested value point of view?
No, you obviously don't get it. This thread isn't about you. I know it's hard to understand but, start a Venus Project thread and get the fuck out of AJ4U's.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
#9273858 - 11/19/08 06:20 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why don't you ignore me and answer his question then? If your so concerned about his questioned. I think everyone is just unsettled by my very depressing and scary future for our society, and encouraging you all to help change it. Whats wrong in that?
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For one, a quick google search will give you a host of articles dedicated to why the Venus Project is fundamentally flawed. There's no reason in further cluttering this thread debating the matter.
Here's one, for example: http://www.pointbite.com/2008/10/08/zeitgeist-addendum-and-the-venus-project-hoax/
If you want to pick that apart and try to debate, then do so in another thread.
Secondly, with a little common sense, it is easy to see that the Venus Project will never be successfully implemented. It's just too radical, and if you believe otherwise, then great, but keep dreaming. As I've said in other posts, his ideas are interesting but the Venus Project, as a whole, is not practical.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: skydog]
#9273920 - 11/19/08 06:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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it's not practical.
We have the resources to never you fossil fuels every again this second in time. We have the technology for an electric car to travel 200 miles at 100 miles per hour, except the oil companies own the patents for them. There are 13,000 ZJ of geothermal power, we have the technology now to harness 2,000 ZJ according to an MIT study. All the energy used on the earth in one year is roughly .5 ZJ. That means that we have 4,000 years of clean energy we don't use. If we used Solar, Tital, Wind and Sun energy we have a seemingly endless supply of clean energy. We have the technology to do it right now! We don't use it because that is energy in abundance, and something in abundance has no value, and something that has no value is not worth perusing when you have to get money to eat and put a roof over your head. If you seriously think the venus project isn't practical please read Modern Money Mechanics and see what we have now. Do you know how money comes into currency? Do you know anything about the fractional reserve banking system or the federal reserve? Do you know that the federal reseve is NOT owed by the government, its owned by international bankers. If you do you, should see this, if not read the book i mentioned and you will see how sick the people that run our country are. Its not conspiracy theory, i just read and found out for my self. I'm not a lazy fuck getting fatter and fatter and dumber and dumber like the government wants (and is what is happening today)
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
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Yay! Someone who not just saying "my mind is made up, please don't confuse me with facts"
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word. fuck the military.
get blown... up.
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I suppose fight or flight responses are culturally learned too?
Just let this kid have his thread back.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
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Fight or Flight has nothing to do with aggression. Fight or Flight is a survival mechanism that happens only in a moment in time. Aggression is different.
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There's no aggression in mating either.
Anyway, you guys have successfully ruined AJ's thread. Bye.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
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who cares. get a real job, killing people is not a job, it's a crime!
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
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Cognitive shift is mostly right. The military is a BUSINESS. you're a sucker if you join. if you think that "radical change wont happen" and you refuse to change or open your mind, then as far as i'm concerned, join the military and get your foolish ass killed, cuz you're only perpetuating the problems today.
war is VERY profitable. soldiers are disposable pawns.
the notion that joining the army is glorious and honourable is bullshit, and the same as wanking off to the mirror. stroke your ego and believe you're some hero go ahead, please just make sure you get blown up because WAR IS NOT GLORIOUS, it's disgusting.
take that patriotic bullshit and shove it, do you really think you're serving your countries people? all you are is a disposable tool, food for the war machine used by "elites" to further their political and economic power.
have fun fucking up the world. make sure to kill a lot of innocents too.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Shins]
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hahah! awesome post, +5. that shit's on point, shins for pres!
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
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I know a guy who's been to Afghanistan a few times. Before he left he was a happy care free guy. Since hes come back he rarely laughs or smiles and all he talks about is guns and killing etc. He's seen people get vaporised by explosives, innocent civilians get killed by mercenary's for the fun of it. After something like that there's no going back, there's no innocence left in you. Makes it kind of hard to just sit back and have a laugh with your friends. I feel sorry for him, and it makes me think that joining the military is one of the worst mistakes you could ever make.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: DimensionX]
#9275588 - 11/19/08 10:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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no fucking doubt, kinda reminds me of vincent d' onofrio in full metal jacket. best anti-war movie ever imo.
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