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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Phish_Dude]
    #9267118 - 11/18/08 04:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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FUCK NO! money is worthless if I have to bring harm to myself/ others to get it, even if I'm not fighting there's no way I'd support that dirty system.




do you have a job?



Yeah I do, and all I'm saying if you want to but into that sort of thing than great. But it is just immoral IMO.





assuming you pay taxes then you're supporting that war
machine, as for morality, it's subjective, some people see
drug use and pornography or pre marital sex as immoral

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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Drunken_Jester]
    #9267171 - 11/18/08 04:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, there is war.  And there is also defending ourselves.  Look at what we fight about today.  For example i am an american citizen.  We were attacked on 9/11 by radical muslim terrorists (or so im told by the media, however there is direct conflict in scientific/physical data to this hypothesis which im not going to go there.)  So we were attacked.  Its a natural reaction for humans to defend ourselves, but thats not what the US is doing.  This is not a "war on terrorism" this is "lets kill everyone thats in the way of me making more money" and by me, im talking about the power elites.  The people that don't want you to know they exist.  For example Columbia, Columbia corporation is owned by someone, i don't know who but thats exactly what they want you to think, they don't want you to figure it out.  They want you to just buy into their ideologies, and they are very influential.  They own CBS (Columbia Broadcasting System), Columbia pictures, Columbia Records, Columbia business school the list goes on and on.  This is all owned by someone!  And whats on their agenda for the rest of us?  Turning us into "slack jawed half baked morons" consuming all of there products so they can make more money.  The corporations are more powerful and influential than governments in this society.  If you don't know how the monetary system works in this country I suggest you read up, it is specifically designed to make a few friends and family rich and the rest of us poor, and it gets more extreme over time.  Look at the streets on the US, there are people starving to death, many people don't have enough money to go to the doctor.  Everything has become a business to get more money.  Money has become more important than fellow man.  And what im trying to get at here is that at the center of all of this fetishism with money is the Military Industrial Complex.  When you sign up for the military you are not becoming "army strong" you are a pawn in someone elses game, a pawn in someone elses business to get more money.  Does this make you sick at all?  Cuz it makes me sick, and the reason it makes me sick is because it doesn't have to be this way.  We can change it!  Abraham lincoln once said "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."  and he also said this "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world." 

That is what america is about, not all of this garbage we are consuming today, people need to wake up and stop buying into all this bullshit fed through mainstream media.


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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9267192 - 11/18/08 04:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

tl; dr

China wants their wall back.


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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9267221 - 11/18/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, life isn't fair.

Yes, the world is ruled by money and those who have it.

Yes, we fight meaningless wars over pieces of imaginary paper.

How do you propose to change this?  If you're talking about establishing a common revolution for altruism, justice, and a fair world, this all sounds great... but it takes power to change the world, and once you give people that, they no longer will want to espouse morality and good principles.

Revolutions may start from good ideas, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.


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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
    #9267240 - 11/18/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Well i would love to have a revolution, however i'm confused on where to start.  People that have tried are mudered by so called "crazy people."  Like John Lennon, Malcom X, Martin Luther King, Gandhi so on and so forth, i don't know how we could revolt without becoming murdered.:shrug:


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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9267262 - 11/18/08 05:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

you'll serve your cause better with a hole in your head.

Look at Jesus, and follow his example. :strokebeard:


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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9267280 - 11/18/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Well i would love to have a revolution, however i'm confused on where to start.  People that have tried are mudered by so called "crazy people."  Like John Lennon, Malcom X, Martin Luther King, Gandhi so on and so forth, i don't know how we could revolt without becoming murdered.:shrug:




I'd worry more about the outcome of the revolution than just getting it started.  Just look at what happened to the Russian one... idealistic, humanitarian principles were corrupted by totalitarian power-seekers for their own ends.

Corruption and moral decadence with the advent of power is inevitable, IMO.

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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Crasher]
    #9267308 - 11/18/08 05:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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you'll serve your cause better with a hole in your head.




There is no proff jesus existed, he could be a fictional character, the only thing i know is what i experience.  And wow^^ that quote thanks man:lol:


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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9267316 - 11/18/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yea, I hear you. War does make me sick, but did you ever think that these "pawns" wanted to be part of the game.  I agree the military is a business, and we need war to fund it. But it is necessary, at least for me it is, just like a firearm is for a home.

At the end of the day I would rather live peacefully, but the fact is we're humans that are capable of both bad/good extremes, in this regard the universe is always trying to balance out. I think the only time we can ever be at peace is in death.

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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
    #9267323 - 11/18/08 05:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

revolution will happen, i believe marx was correct when he said that capitalism is not sustainable, and will inevitably collapse. i wouldn't worry too much about the outcome either because the masses rule over the few, i have hope for humanity.


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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
    #9267335 - 11/18/08 05:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Well for a start it would help if we had the most intelligent people running the new revolution and system of society, instead of the one that got there through corruption and political connections.  And this new world i once dream of may not be plausible to some, but if there is anything i have learned from experience (especially psychedelic) as that there are more possibilities than your mind can possible fathom.


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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Drunken_Jester]
    #9267336 - 11/18/08 05:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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At the end of the day I would rather live peacefully, but the fact is we're humans that are capable of both bad/good extremes, in this regard the universe is always trying to balance out. I think the only time we can ever be at peace is in death.




then die! :minigun:


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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9267343 - 11/18/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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you'll serve your cause better with a hole in your head.




There is no proff jesus existed, he could be a fictional character, the only thing i know is what i experience.  And wow^^ that quote thanks man:lol:




actually there is proof he existed but jesus kept the holes in his hands feet and gizzard

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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #9267358 - 11/18/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Google "The Venus Project" its a start....

"The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture. There are many people today who are concerned with the serious problems that face our modern society: unemployment, violent crime, replacement of humans by technology, over-population and a decline in the Earth's ecosystems. As you will see, The Venus Project is dedicated to confronting all of these problems by actively engaging in the research, development, and application of workable solutions. Through the use of innovative approaches to social awareness, educational incentives, and the consistent application of the best that science and technology can offer directly to the social system, The Venus Project offers a comprehensive plan for social reclamation in which human beings, technology, and nature will be able to coexist in a long-term, sustainable state of dynamic equilibrium."


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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9267376 - 11/18/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Well for a start it would help if we had the most intelligent people running the new revolution and system of society, instead of the one that got there through corruption and political connections.  And this new world i once dream of may not be plausible to some, but if there is anything i have learned from experience (especially psychedelic) as that there are more possibilities than your mind can possible fathom.




It's very easy to espouse justice and fairness when you're at the bottom, but it's a lot harder keeping those principles if you have absolute power.

My main problem with establishing a new world is a.) old habits die hard; any effort to overthrow the pre-established system would produce more bloodshed, murder, and violence than would keeping the system in place, and b.) if it were possible to establish paradise on earth, why haven't we accomplished this yet?


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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
    #9267421 - 11/18/08 05:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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deCypher said:  b.) if it were possible to establish paradise on earth, why haven't we accomplished this yet?




Not paradise, just not this terrible method of a society, "it wastes resources, its inefficient, it runs on stereotypes which are in turn caused by low sampling rates making everyone seem a like when in fact the beauty of it, is that we are all different.  Its just flat out flawed!"


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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9267432 - 11/18/08 05:24 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

IMO America works remarkably well.

We have some of the best freedoms in the world; what specifically do you see as being wrong in our current government?


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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9267478 - 11/18/08 05:29 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

:lol: i could go on for days, i will make it short

If you have the time, i would suggest watching the two hour movie.  It will show you where im coming from with all of this revolution talk



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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9267514 - 11/18/08 05:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

HWY GUYS THANKS FOR FUCKIN HIJACKING MY THREAD.

@CRASHER Thanks for the insight. I understand EOD guys have abit to risk going out there disarming bombs and such but the infantry was my other choice and frankly id like to come out of the army with something to keep me with a job state side. EOD holds that i believe. If i get out with all my limbs il be happy...


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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: deCypher]
    #9267521 - 11/18/08 05:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

consumerism.


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