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AJ4U
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Ziplok]
#9266487 - 11/18/08 03:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks zip i think you pretty much summed up the way i also.
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Cognitive_Shift
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: doom876]
#9266492 - 11/18/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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how about Vietnam?
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AJ4U
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Cognitive_Shift said: how about Vietnam?
haha can you imagen out there in the jungle patrolling around high as hell haha
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andrewss
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Cognitive_Shift said: I would rather make a living doing something i love, than becoming a killing machine. And i know not everyone in the military is an soldier fighting and killing, and if not your still aiding killing machines. I am too by paying my taxes, but i pay my taxes so they don't lock me up. Its like there forcing me to help kill people. It makes me sad
I mean in one way or the other just by living in America and paying any sort of taxes you are supporting it still.
I guess its easy to look at violence and be turned off, its not that illogical because we all live in the wake of the violent world in a sense. We live in America and in the modern age of comfort, we are hidden from the harsh realities of life. I too an naive, I haven't even gotten in an actual fight. But I do not want to let myself become so delusional that I do not see what role violence and war has played into how humanity became so powerful. We have reaped the benefits of competition and war, might as well recognize the ugly role it played in our species.
But that said, these days America's imperialism is pretty shady... But that said many times soldiers only are fighting because they pretty much have to... and even then soldiers basically are fighting for the man right next to them. Talk about the highest level of comradery. I think some people eventually join and serve because of a delight in the risks and thus high level of comradery ... just a thought (kinda playin devils advocate)
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: mathewww]
#9266520 - 11/18/08 03:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've met some people in the service that have said they have done more drugs IN the service then before they joined. There's a lot of ways around the tests. Marines and Army, not so much.. I've heard horror stories of the drug testing procedure for some of those guys. Picture living in a barracks and one morning people come in yelling to line up, you're getting piss tested and that the doors to the building are locked. Then somebody stands over your shoulder and watches you pull out and donate to the cup.
Lot of cokeheads in the navy... HAHAHA
There's a video out there somewhere of the afghans on our side and theirs smokin a j while bullets are hitting the wall beside them.
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Cognitive_Shift
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: andrewss]
#9266549 - 11/18/08 03:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah i was just at a party a couple weeks ago and there as some dude there that was my age and he had to use a cain. So we were outside smoking a couple bowls and he ended up telling his story of getting hit by an IED and being thrown like some 30 feet away from his humvee. I kept thinking to myself how primitive and unintelligent war is for solving the problems of humanity.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: AJ4U]
#9266583 - 11/18/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like how when the 20 year old squad leader asks for the bowl from the other guy he starts giggling all stoned, so funny.
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blood4blood
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Phish_Dude]
#9266600 - 11/18/08 03:24 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: Yeah man, your a pawn in someone elses game. It sounds like you want to become this technician because of the money. If you like blowing stuff up it doesn't have to be designed to kill people. You can work someplace else, and if money is THAT important to ya, than my words do no good. You just another player in that game...
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Drunken_Jester said: What the fuck, I can't believe I used to be so faggy when it came to the topic of military. I kinda held the same hippie mentality, probably cause of the psychedelics. I'm thinking about joining the Airforce cause quite frankly, I like adventure. They aren't "on the clock" soldiers 24/7 (unless they're in Iraq, they get time off man, I went to a base in South Dakota where my sister is and they live pretty normal lives.
But it's your right to live like Ghandi if you want.
If you like adventure join the Peace Corps you get to travel and get paid for it too. That way you can still get the thrill of travel and you are helping people in third world countries as opposed to fortifying our influences on other countries through military force.
have you ever tried to get into the peace corps? i have, it's not as easy as calling them up and telling them to send you to china or some shit. i bet over half the people on here wouldnt even be accepted.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: blood4blood]
#9266613 - 11/18/08 03:26 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never tried what kind of "qualifications" for lack of a better word does it require?
I can bearly get into anything thing anymore cuz im white and all of these things want "cultural diversity"
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blood4blood
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you need background in something like aids prevention, humanitarin aid, plumbing, contracting, etc, etc. they just wont take anybody into the corps. and its a long process and the application is even longer. i finially got accepted this summer. 2 years after i signed up. iam a journey man plumber and was going to help with irragation. but it took so long i decided against it and went with WOOFING.
OP- good luck my friend, just dont let them brain wash you.
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andrewss
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Cognitive_Shift said: Yeah i was just at a party a couple weeks ago and there as some dude there that was my age and he had to use a cain. So we were outside smoking a couple bowls and he ended up telling his story of getting hit by an IED and being thrown like some 30 feet away from his humvee. I kept thinking to myself how primitive and unintelligent war is for solving the problems of humanity.
I know what you are saying, especially large scale war (pinnacle being WWII) is so shitty. However I dunno, I still respect war, its just the way it is for physical beings that live in a world where there are some limited resources. That being said war happens often times because it it easier than thinking harder and changing things in nonviolent ways, but sometimes you have to hurt people to make things happen. I guess it sucks
I guess sometimes I get annoyed with people that espouse Christian type ideals about being anti-war when they haven't themselves really realized just how important war is. There will never be an end to war so long as life exists.
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I would rather make a living doing something i love, than becoming a killing machine. And i know not everyone in the military is an soldier fighting and killing, and if not your still aiding killing machines.
I hate to break it to you boss, but I got into the Army to help people and that's exactly what I do. My Army career is directly responsible for my job doing EMS for my county's ambulance service. I guarantee you that I have helped orders of magnitude more people thanks to my Army career than I have hurt.. directly or indirectly.
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Cognitive_Shift
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
#9266746 - 11/18/08 03:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would rather make a living doing something i love, than becoming a killing machine. And i know not everyone in the military is an soldier fighting and killing, and if not your still aiding killing machines.
I hate to break it to you boss, but I got into the Army to help people and that's exactly what I do. My Army career is directly responsible for the job I hold doing EMS for my county's first-response ambulance service. I guarantee you that I have helped orders of magnitude more people thanks to my Army career than I have hurt.. directly or indirectly.
Yes, you individually, however if the institution of the military didn't fight in the first place there would be no one to save. The only reason the people in the military want you there is that when someone doesn't die they can hopfully get up and fight again when their well. They would like to use humans as a renewable resource because it saves money. And the people that run the military love money. IMO
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You god damn hippies make me sick.
If you think a nation can successfully exist without a military, you're crazy. Of course it would be nice to live in a world where you could run gayly through the daisy fields and hold hands all day, but that is not reality.
Having said that, I have much respect for the EOD guys as they are doing a great service for our troops. Good luck in your endeavors, OP.
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Yes, you individually, however if the institution of the military didn't fight in the first place there would be no one to save. The only reason the people in the military want you there is that when someone doesn't die they can hopfully get up and fight again when their well. They would like to use humans as a renewable resource because it saves money. And the people that run the military love money. IMO
Maybe you should read a little closer.. the people on the street who can't breathe or are having chest pain need help regardless of whether or not the military is fighting. I go and help them. I can do that in large part thanks to my time in the Army.
If you don't like the military, that's fine. There are a lot of people who want to serve, learn something, get some cash, make some friends, and have a good time. Maybe you'll end up dead in Iraq.. that's the risk you take.
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Cognitive_Shift
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: skydog]
#9266859 - 11/18/08 04:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not a fucking hippie lol, I'm an academic. Do you know how unnecessary war is? The only reason we have it NOW in the late modernism and capitalism era is because it makes money. Ever heard of the military industrial complex? Eisenhower warned us of it in his farewell adress its not a hard concept to understand. Yet we still feed the machine! This is not intelligent behavior. We have the resources to make a better world, the doors are there to a better world where war is not necessary, our society has just fallen sick with all these nit-wit ideologies of money, male dominance, materialism, attention to the visible surface of things. Where is this going i might ask my self, and my conclusion is down the shit hole of a society basically commiting genocide of human values, there making us morons who just work and buy material goods. What good comes out of that?
And at the center of all of this is the military. Its what makes the Work, come home absorb advertisements that tell us what ever we have isn't good enough, go out and buy mentality. And the cycle continues.
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blood4blood
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: thedefone]
#9266917 - 11/18/08 04:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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i personally wouldn't join. but i give my upmost respect for anyone who does. my wife has been in since 99 and is getting out in Dec. she did two tours in Iraq and 1 in Italy. it's a way of life for her and for everyone that's enlisted or have been discharged. I or the people in here ragging on the milatry have no idea what it's about. alot of things have happened to me good and bad because of my wife being in the milatary but iam still very proud of her and proud of what she's done.
when were being invaded by a foriegn force remember these words you wrote on the boards today and who you goto look for safety from.
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Drunken_Jester
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Cognitive_Shift said: I'm not a fucking hippie lol, I'm an academic. Do you know how unnecessary war is? The only reason we have it NOW in the late modernism and capitalism era is because it makes money. Ever heard of the military industrial complex? Eisenhower warned us of it in his farewell adress its not a hard concept to understand. Yet we still feed the machine! This is not intelligent behavior. We have the resources to make a better world, the doors are there to a better world where war is not necessary, our society has just fallen sick with all these nit-wit ideologies of money, male dominance, materialism, attention to the visible surface of things. Where is this going i might ask my self, and my conclusion is down the shit hole of a society basically commiting genocide of human values, there making us morons who just work and buy material goods. What good comes out of that?
And at the center of all of this is the military. Its what makes the Work, come home absorb advertisements that tell us what ever we have isn't good enough, go out and buy mentality. And the cycle continues.
That all sounds fine and dandy, but for war not to exist we'd have to convince every other nation on Earth these concepts, and I'm sure you know there are countries out there that have declared a religious war, and many of them have fundamentalists who are extremely violent. Religion is a big war factor and trying to change a religious person opinion ain't easy.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: blood4blood]
#9267066 - 11/18/08 04:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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blood4blood said: when were being invaded by a foriegn force remember these words you wrote on the boards today and who you goto look for safety from.
yeah, like how iraq would've invaded us unless we took preemptive action!
militaries should be used for civil defense, not spreading capitalism and planting mcdonalds in every country.
the founding fathers were against military action without justification, and were only to be used in civil defense.
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Re: Anyone else serve in the US Army? [Re: Drunken_Jester]
#9267112 - 11/18/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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EOD has great pay, you can get attached to SF or other cool-guy units. You get to drive crazy bomb-resistant vehicles.
You also get to wear a 70 pound bomb suit in 130 degree heat while a nervous chemical unit guy waits anxiously to make sure the bomb you're disarming doesn't have chem agents in it.
I got my 10k in the beginning for a 5 year contract I just finished. I've got about 60-80 days left as a Staff Sergeant before I'm just another herb-smoking shroomerite like everyone else here.
EOD carries a very real and significant risk. After I lost my hand in Iraq, I met with a LOT of limbless EOD soldiers in the hospital.
Great 5 years, wouldn't take a minute of the bullshit, horror, joy and adventure back.
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