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Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure
    #9259796 - 11/17/08 11:59 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I submit that going beyond a certain threshold, the pain caused by getting drunk far, far surpasses any pleasure gained.

Why then do humans (over)indulge?


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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9259865 - 11/17/08 12:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

It's not just alcohol.  Humans over-indulge in all sorts of things that could otherwise be pleasurable with minimal repercussions: food, tobacco, opiates - even self-reflection and constructive criticism, which imo is extremely healthy, can be overindulged in to the point of self-pity and/or self-loathing.

This is why Buddha taught that Nirvana is between extremes.

I don't know for sure what overindulgence stems from, but my best guess is it is rooted in fear ultimately: we feel we have to have everything we want now because we are aware of our mortality.  There are many fears, fear of inadequacy, fear of fully experiencing our emotions, and so forth, which we try to hide by overindulging in one sensory experience or another, but they all stem IMO from this base duality in mind, life and death.


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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9259873 - 11/17/08 12:14 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I over-indulge once in a while because I forget how much I'm drinking. It's never my intention to get really drunk, but it happens.

Different reasons for different people though.

One of my housemates was an alcoholic and he just really liked the feeling of getting black out drunk.

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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9260057 - 11/17/08 12:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

People overindulge in alcohol because the high you get is frontloaded. First you feel good, then you feel bad. If it was the opposite people wouldn't overindulge.

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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9260109 - 11/17/08 01:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
I submit that going beyond a certain threshold, the pain caused by getting drunk far, far surpasses any pleasure gained.

Why then do humans (over)indulge?




Sounds like you're expecting humans to be rational.

:nono:


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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9260185 - 11/17/08 01:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Why then do humans (over)indulge?




Laziness perhaps. :shrug:


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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9260451 - 11/17/08 02:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
I submit that going beyond a certain threshold, the pain caused by getting drunk far, far surpasses any pleasure gained.

Why then do humans (over)indulge?




Too many liquor stores, not enough ganga stores.

Too many (overly) brainwashed bots.

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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9260462 - 11/17/08 02:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

But yeah, alcohol is pretty fucking depressing.  I quit that crap long ago and have felt soooo much better both mentally and physically.

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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9260487 - 11/17/08 02:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
I submit that going beyond a certain threshold, the pain caused by getting drunk far, far surpasses any pleasure gained.

Why then do humans (over)indulge?




Addictions. And by the way I disagree. Those who need to really cover up some pain don't mind an little nausea or headache. In fact it's just another helpful distraction.


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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: Icelander]
    #9260552 - 11/17/08 02:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Those who need to really cover up some pain don't mind an little nausea or headache. In fact it's just another helpful distraction.




Can you explain how it's helpful (not temporarily btw)?

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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: deranger]
    #9260594 - 11/17/08 02:37 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

It is temporary that's why they need to repeat the process.


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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: Icelander]
    #9260621 - 11/17/08 02:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I swear whenever i drink a lot i get a comedown afterwards and often while i'm drunk purely because of how arrogant and stupid my train of thought was. It pisses me off.


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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: Icelander]
    #9260781 - 11/17/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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It is temporary that's why they need to repeat the process.




Yeah.

If I may ask, do you drink?

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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: deranger]
    #9260784 - 11/17/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

No.

I ingest.


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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: deranger]
    #9260792 - 11/17/08 03:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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deranger said:
But yeah, alcohol is pretty fucking depressing.  I quit that crap long ago and have felt soooo much better both mentally and physically.




Everything in moderation.  Nothing wrong with a few glasses of wine or a couple beers every now and then--helps make life rosy and produces content & well-being after a good supper.


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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #9260814 - 11/17/08 03:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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adjust said:
People overindulge in alcohol because the high you get is frontloaded. First you feel good, then you feel bad. If it was the opposite people wouldn't overindulge.




Indeed. More specifically, the first 1-2 drinks release dopamine. The rest don't, they just inhibit your nerve transmissions.


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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: zouden]
    #9260818 - 11/17/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, but after 2 drinks, one is rarely considering the cost/benefit ratio.  :wink:

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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: Veritas]
    #9260822 - 11/17/08 03:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

At least 6 is necessary to activate a satisfactory functioning of beer goggles, however.

:chugbeer:


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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: deCypher]
    #9260834 - 11/17/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

For me, 6 drinks would be more than enough to activate  :puke:

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Re: Alcohol: pain vs. pleasure [Re: Icelander]
    #9260850 - 11/17/08 03:18 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
No.

I ingest.




Ingest alcohol?

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