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What does it all mean?
    #9259261 - 11/17/08 10:20 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The experience of life.

Since the beginning of man we have been asking ourselves.  What does this all mean?  I understand that i am alive and conscious, but why?  Whats the reason for it?

What do you all think?

Is there a meaning to the whole human/life experience?
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Is it just the probabilistic play out of interactions between molecules and elements, and there is no meaning behind it all, its just the result of probability.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259330 - 11/17/08 10:34 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

no intrinsic meaning


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: demiu5]
    #9259391 - 11/17/08 10:47 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Through human history of many cultures.  Why do they all put so much emphasis of it though?  Why do they value it as the up most important thing.

They all try to do the same thing, and what that is, is trying to figure out what it all means.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259496 - 11/17/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

This is very simple IMO. To find out what it "means" is just a way of looking for permanence. Take a look at ninty five percent of the "meaning" that humans supposedly discover. It all has to do with the continuation of the human being into eternity. This is classice death anxiety IMO.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Icelander]
    #9259533 - 11/17/08 11:17 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

classice = classic Ice response


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259539 - 11/17/08 11:18 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

If only intelligent conscious life recognizes (some say 'creates') meaning, then maybe the general meaning of life is to do so...

There are some common traits like the prolonging of existence or joy/wellbeing and such like these...


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #9259554 - 11/17/08 11:20 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Why does evolution insist on novelty?  It insists on systems becoming more complicated, and getting more complicated at a higher rate of novelty per unit of time.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259566 - 11/17/08 11:21 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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and getting more complicated at a higher rate of novelty per unit of time.




There is no evidence to support this (as per most claims here).


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259579 - 11/17/08 11:24 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, complexity is only favored when it improves chances of reproduction & survival.  Many simple organisms persist to this day in the same form they have (most likely) had since life began.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9259582 - 11/17/08 11:24 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I don't have any conclusive source, but look at technology.  How much has happened in the last 50 years compared to the 1000 years before.  Everything is becoming more complicated at a faster rate than ever before.  This is simply an observation of my experience btw.  Its like were on the brink of discovery all information.  And when we do discover all information, will we learn what it means?  Or if it has a meaning?


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259587 - 11/17/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You're confusing evolution with technological progress.  Actually, technology is not necessarily becoming more complex, either.  Look at the difference between a flash drive & the room-sized supercomputers of the 1960's!


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259625 - 11/17/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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How much has happened in the last 50 years compared to the 1000 years before.



Which has absoultely nothing to do with evolution unless you are totally redefining the word on-the-fly.

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Everything is becoming more complicated at a faster rate than ever before.



Technology is far from everything.

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This is simply an observation of my experience btw.



More like someone recently read some McKenna.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Veritas]
    #9259626 - 11/17/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Whats the difference between technological process and evolutionary progress?

They are both strategies for manipulating our environment in order to stay alive long enough to pass on our genes.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259640 - 11/17/08 11:32 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Evolution is not a strategy, it is an observable biological process.  Technology is intentional and manufactured.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Veritas]
    #9259650 - 11/17/08 11:33 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Technology is a observable biological process.  Look at primate using sticks in order to get termites.  Thats technology and evolutionary in progress.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259678 - 11/17/08 11:36 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The use of tools is an example of a selected trait, whereas the tools themselves are NOT selected traits.  Technology advances through deliberate choices & innovations, with a constant effort towards improvement, whereas evolution progresses very slowly & without across-the-board consistency.  The environmental factors which cause certain random mutations to succeed & others to fail have nothing deliberate about them.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Veritas]
    #9259722 - 11/17/08 11:45 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Okay that was a fucking great argument btw.  Damn lol so true.... But anyways the decision to use tools or not seems to be the evolution of consciousness.  And this is so mysterious because no one really knows what consciousness is, there is no conclusive physical evidence to say what consciousness is(physical process or mental process).  And that goes into philosophical polemic debate of the mind-body problem.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259763 - 11/17/08 11:53 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Consciousness is only evolving in the sense that our consciousness-hosting equipment (brain) has evolved.  This is to say: VERY slowly.  Our equipment has not changed in hundreds of thousands of years, and neither has our baseline consciousness.

What has changed is our society, and our ability to transmit knowledge. Humans have the opportunity to learn an astonishing array of skills, facts, procedures, etc...including how to enhance their individual consciousness.  This, and not the evolutionary process, is responsible for the occasional (rare) blip on the human consciousness radar screen.

All of this is my opinion, of course, but it is based upon decades of fairly intensive study on these topics, as well as my own experiences.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Veritas]
    #9259811 - 11/17/08 12:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Okay sorry if this is getting off topic, but why?  Why is it that humans are having this explosion of information, and striving to understand it all.  It seems that many animals although conscious, do not have this consciousness that strives for epistemology.  It seems like we are on the cusp of knowing that nature doesn't act randomly at all, in fact nature is made up of cycles and systems.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Veritas]
    #9259846 - 11/17/08 12:09 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Could have been said at a possible GM senate TARP hearings.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259879 - 11/17/08 12:15 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Nature is not random.  True randomness would require an absence of environmental pressures & opposite "paths of least resistance."  Nature does what it can do, and this is determined by the presence of favorable/unfavorable factors.  These factors change constantly, and are different in different parts of the world, so the effects produced may appear to be random.

Nature is somewhat random in the sense of being difficult to accurately predict, however. In the case of the evolutionary process, we could hazard guesses as to the potential genetic future of humans, but would likely be wrong.

As far as our thirst for knowledge is concerned, IMO it is stimulated by the tenuous connection between our "old" brain & our "new" brain.  We have emotional and instinctual drives which do not necessarily mesh with our intellectual understanding, so we desperately pursue solutions and answers in an attempt to reconcile the internal conflict.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Veritas]
    #9259927 - 11/17/08 12:25 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Good analysis.

What makes this "new" brain so different?

And what is this conflict you speak of?

I'm just curious, you have some very logical and convincing points:popcorn:


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Veritas]
    #9259928 - 11/17/08 12:26 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

this is a theory that i got. humans have a gene for exploration, and a drive for gaining knowledge. this would benefit the early humans who needed to explore their environment to find food sources and shelter that they could rely on.

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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259970 - 11/17/08 12:34 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

More info on the evolution of the human brain:

http://www.kheper.net/topics/intelligence/MacLean.htm


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Veritas]
    #9259980 - 11/17/08 12:36 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

First line i read

"The neurologist Paul MacLean has proposed that our skull holds not one brain, but three, each representing a distinct evolutionary stratum that has formed upon the older layer before it, like an archaeological site."

This should be an awesome read:grin:

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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9260016 - 11/17/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe our constant drive for knowledge and understanding things and our ability to think logicaly about whatever ideas or conclusions we come to and put them into action, is just our survival technique. Every animal in nature has a technique a certain quality that helps them to survive.

If you look at it from the begining humans as a species has drastically moved to the top of the food chain so to speak. We have adapted to just about every enviroment around us humans can live and survive almost anywhere we go. We can even survive for a period of time in space where there is nothing that aids in our survival ie oxygen and water.

So maybe trying to find the meaning of life is the only thing we really have left to do and that's why it's so important because it's one of the few things we haven't conquered, and isn't answered simply because the meaning of life and why we are living is different in every being. When your simply living and trying to survive to the next day such as animals in their natural habitat then things like what does life mean really doesn't cross ur mind. Survival is our basic instinct.

And we have protected our survival in drastic circumstances, simply that compared to other species and creatures on this earth, by logical means we should be low on the food chain. But I suppose our brains have evolved and adapted more quickly than other species.

This is just a theory, throwing some ideas out there. Just my thoughts on the subject. I hope it makes sense sorry if it doesn't.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9260025 - 11/17/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Cognitive_Shift said:
Is there a meaning to the whole human/life experience?
or
Is it just the probabilistic play out of interactions between molecules and elements, and there is no meaning behind it all, its just the result of probability.




Both.  It's true that everything's just probabilistic, but at the same time we have a mental experience and a seemingly immaterial consciousness; something that allows us to ascribe our own meaning onto our existence.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9260666 - 11/17/08 02:50 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Many people look to ascribe meaning to their lives. There are many personal "meaning's" but it sounds to me as if you are looking for a general meaning. I don't think you can really say whether they're is a higher power who has a greater purpose for us. The conclusion I always come to while tripping is that there is no meaning and we should just have a much fun as possible.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #9260674 - 11/17/08 02:50 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yea Grapefruit.:satansmoking:


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Re: What does it all mean? *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
    #9260992 - 11/17/08 03:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Kojiro]
    #9261174 - 11/17/08 04:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Kojiro said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skandhas




Buddhism is way over complicated lol.  :cuckoo:


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #9261192 - 11/17/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Seems that most any form of wisdom based on internal experience gets lost when others try to codify it.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9261218 - 11/17/08 04:29 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Kojiro]
    #9261258 - 11/17/08 04:36 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

…89 kinds of consciousness; 54 related to the sense sphere.
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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Icelander]
    #9264201 - 11/18/08 01:17 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I swear the buddha said wisdom is to lose all your concepts. Then humans somehow ignored their spiritual leader and went on to decide what happens after you die and a load of other shit.

I wonder, why is it that humans are always seeking meaning in their lives? Do we just need direction? Human's are always trying to achieve something or to get somewhere. Restless creatures eh?

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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #9264213 - 11/18/08 01:22 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think we as humans are just curious bastards.  We find the concept of knowing all the most important thing.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #9265170 - 11/18/08 10:08 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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I swear the buddha said wisdom is to lose all your concepts. Then humans somehow ignored their spiritual leader and went on to decide what happens after you die and a load of other shit.

I wonder, why is it that humans are always seeking meaning in their lives? Do we just need direction? lol




People have a bad case of death anxiety.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Icelander]
    #9265841 - 11/18/08 01:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Its tough tho, dieing i find is scary.  Even tho it is inevitable it still makes me nervous.  Cuz no one knows what happens to consciousness, will it just shut off and thats it forever?


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9265931 - 11/18/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Its tough tho, dieing i find is scary.  Even tho it is inevitable it still makes me nervous.  Cuz no one knows what happens to consciousness, will it just shut off and thats it forever?



We can not know that now. Maybe later.

edit: If knowledge comes from experience (not from theory) then if there's nothing after death, no one ever will know :smile:


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #9265981 - 11/18/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, and i cannot comprehend the concept of nothing, it blows my mind!


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9266011 - 11/18/08 01:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

If there's 'missing' something, I think, that's a good point to start pondering about 'nothing'.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #9266046 - 11/18/08 01:47 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah but something being 'missing' requires something to be there in the first place.  Nothing is just insane, incomprehensible.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9266068 - 11/18/08 01:53 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

yes, to what else could 'nothingness' be compared to, else than something ? :smile:


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9266257 - 11/18/08 02:30 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Its tough tho, dieing i find is scary.  Even tho it is inevitable it still makes me nervous.  Cuz no one knows what happens to consciousness, will it just shut off and thats it forever?




That's honest.:thumbup: Fear of death is natural and comes with the territory. Most of my death anxiety is unconscious IMO. For me however continually looking into the idea of death is worthwhile. It blunts it just a little bit.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Icelander]
    #9266273 - 11/18/08 02:32 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

It's all about staring death in the face and spitting in its eye.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: deCypher]
    #9266316 - 11/18/08 02:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

IMO that's macho posturing. It's just more death anxiety.:lol:


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Icelander]
    #9266322 - 11/18/08 02:41 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Possibly, but if you're going to die regardless ya might as well do it in a memorable way.  :wink:


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: deCypher]
    #9266332 - 11/18/08 02:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Who remembers? :lol:

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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: deCypher]
    #9266335 - 11/18/08 02:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Are you all going to choose when your going to die, or "I'm gonna die when its time for me to die, so let me live my life, the way i want to"?


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9266344 - 11/18/08 02:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Icelander]
    #9266350 - 11/18/08 02:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

That quote is so fucking true imo.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9266359 - 11/18/08 02:46 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

He wanted to die choking on his vomit.:thumbup:


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Icelander]
    #9266371 - 11/18/08 02:47 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Party hard:thumbup:


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9266380 - 11/18/08 02:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

:doggystyle:


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9266404 - 11/18/08 02:52 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Who's that quote by?

IMO Hunter S. Thompson's route seems pretty appealing.  Ya get to bypass all the unpleasant side effects of old age, and plus a flash in a pan is always more memorable than a long, expired dwindle.


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    #9266416 - 11/18/08 02:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Veritas]
    #9266421 - 11/18/08 02:55 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

This man


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    #9266429 - 11/18/08 02:56 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9272403 - 11/19/08 02:02 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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The experience of life.

Since the beginning of man we have been asking ourselves.  What does this all mean?  I understand that i am alive and conscious, but why?  Whats the reason for it?

What do you all think?

Is there a meaning to the whole human/life experience?
or
Is it just the probabilistic play out of interactions between molecules and elements, and there is no meaning behind it all, its just the result of probability.




You are here to download and process information from the other, and experience ecstasy in return.  Basically, follow your heart (especially under the influence) and enjoy the result.

Each time you trip it should become clearer.  If it isn't, ask your ego what its friggen problem is.

This is your universe.  You're in control.  Probability is created from YOUR consciousness.  Each choice you make changes the entire course of your universe.  Think about that. You are that powerful.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: staedtler]
    #9272548 - 11/19/08 02:26 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

food for thought: i noticed someone say something of cycles and processes. this world is all linked togather. precise food chains and seasons of the year. math is perfectly related to nature. a clock is very precise and a clock maker would have to be very intelligent. is there a creator of thought? this world is to perfect for there not to be a creator- an intelligence behind it. everything in this world is at one extreme or the other OR some grey between. hot cold. happy sad. night day.ect.  we are like rats born into a maze. in school what is multiple choice and has a time limet? a TEST.! before you do anything in life ,you know what is right or wrong or some grey between. life is a series of multiple choice problems with a time limet.. . i dont know about everyone else but- before i make a choice i get a feeling of what is wrong or right. i live my life simple- and try to listen to that feeling and step in that right direction so i get a good score on that test.if someone were to pinch me it would hurt, i know this so i dont pinch people. why would you make a robot that can move on its own, have a memory hard drive and a camera: if you didnt plan to view what was recorded in the end of the robots journey! life can be understood and simple. i have no religeon. but i do thank the creator for my life and the beautiful things in it.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9275371 - 11/19/08 10:11 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: KaptKid]
    #9275767 - 11/19/08 10:58 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i often think about these types of things. i break it down to emoations not language. i enjoy being happy. thus said: i seek it. positivness,love ect. i know the meaning of my life! i am preventing negative experiences, by steping in those correct directions. my life goes pretty smooth. i chase my dreams. i dodge negative people and surround myself with people who make me happy. i will die happy or i will die having never given up on happiness. listen close: can you hear it? :lol: "THIS IS YOUR FORCED LIFE!!"


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: seven]
    #9276995 - 11/20/08 06:29 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9296982 - 11/23/08 12:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i was curious to see some feedback on my views before this thread dies. i base my views on observations and fact.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Recondicom]
    #9302382 - 11/24/08 07:02 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

or not. :smile:


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9303673 - 11/24/08 11:48 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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The experience of life.

Since the beginning of man we have been asking ourselves.  What does this all mean?  I understand that i am alive and conscious, but why?  Whats the reason for it?

What do you all think?

Is there a meaning to the whole human/life experience?
or
Is it just the probabilistic play out of interactions between molecules and elements, and there is no meaning behind it all, its just the result of probability.




ultimately liberation is the purpose of human existence

the fact that we have been asking for so long, 'who are we? what does it all mean?' means we are here to find out the answers...

dont get me wrong we're also here to be very ignroant aswell, evidently...

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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Chronic7]
    #9304911 - 11/24/08 03:37 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

ultimately liberation is the purpose of human existence


Please add that this is purely opinion without evidence.;)


As far as you know.:lol:


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    #9306378 - 11/24/08 07:24 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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ultimately liberation is the purpose of human existence


Please add that this is purely opinion without evidence.;)


As far as you know.:lol:


yeah if liberation was the purpose then death is liberation: sometimes i imagine gaining enlightenment, or realizing the secret and awakening into a true reality. this was all an illusion\dream\test. :laugh:


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: seven]
    #9306392 - 11/24/08 07:25 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Life is a living mystery.  Life is not a problem for scientist or sociologist to figure out, from birth to the yawning grave its a fucking mystery.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9306461 - 11/24/08 07:33 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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from birth to the yawning grave its a fucking mystery.




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Life is a living mystery.  Life is not a problem for scientist or sociologist to figure out, from birth to the yawning grave its a fucking mystery.


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    #9306721 - 11/24/08 08:09 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Life is a living mystery.  Life is not a problem for scientist or sociologist to figure out, from birth to the yawning grave its a fucking mystery.


why be able to question if there are no answers? :smile:




It's a cruel joke...  :nonono:


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #9306745 - 11/24/08 08:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think the only answers are the ones that one comes up with through experience.  I think life should be about positive experiences, thats all that matter imo.


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I think the only answers are the ones that one comes up with through experience.  I think life should be about positive experiences, thats all that matter imo.


the buddhist beleive that nothing in this world is positive or negative. the mind makes it so. ever notice how someone will get in a shitty mood on a rainy day and even talk about what a shitty day it is? someone else may strip off their cloths and dance in the rainn. all and all i seek what i perceive aspositive


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: seven]
    #9308283 - 11/24/08 11:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I really like Buddist beliefs.  It's so freeing and non-confining to me and relies on nothing but what is inside one's self, what Christianity misses.  I just want to experience, right or wrong as to cultural and societal beliefs.  Life really is short (a cliche) but it puts things in context compared to eternity.  I don't have to play by societies rules unless it serves my purpose.  I desire awareness that doesn't need meaning.  I'm understanding the labels of mysticism and also of those who turn themselves over to serve others.  I desire purity, free of illusions and falsehoods, dogma, etc., I want reality.
People really are powerful and I think the time for people to continue to be manipulated and give away their power is ending.  Self realiization is a precious thing and should be nutured.
That's the construct I've given life and it's easy for me to forget at times and why I need tools to help me remember.  But there are so many different ways/paths (another cliche) to "waking up" to oneself and all that is, I love the freedom in it.  :strokebeard2:


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: mr.bixby]
    #9309461 - 11/25/08 08:49 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

another buddhist teaching: before anything happens in this world there was a thought of it. sow a thought>reep an action>sow an action>reep a habit>sow a habit>reep a character>sow a character>reep the destany of that character. - ive learned alot of buddhist teachings in this book:Inner Revolution by Robert Thurman. robert was the first white man ever to live with and study with the buddhist monks. He got direct teachings from the dalai lama.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: mr.bixby]
    #9309482 - 11/25/08 08:54 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think the time for people to continue to be manipulated and give away their power is ending.

That's interesting, I see no evidence of this, but maybe I've lived a lot longer than you

Let's keep it impersonal, please. ~V


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Icelander]
    #9309569 - 11/25/08 09:14 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I dont think age implies wisdom, more conditioning can mean more clouds to see through

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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Chronic7]
    #9309600 - 11/25/08 09:22 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Not in my case. I have grown younger and wiser. Now I look down in amusement and empathy at the species called human being.:monkeydance: I watch the repeating patterns and notice that almost no one notices.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Icelander]
    #9309667 - 11/25/08 09:37 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Not in my case. I have grown younger and wiser. Now I look down in amusement and empathy at the species called human being.:monkeydance: I watch the repeating patterns and notice that almost no one notices.




Let's keep it about the ideas, please. ~V

Reality is a fractal.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Nexion]
    #9309758 - 11/25/08 09:57 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I rest my case.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9312028 - 11/25/08 04:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

It's all about maintaining and propagating your genetic memes (biologically speaking).  Anything more than that is mental masturbation (which can be quite enjoyable in it's own right).


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