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What does it all mean?
    #9259261 - 11/17/08 10:20 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The experience of life.

Since the beginning of man we have been asking ourselves.  What does this all mean?  I understand that i am alive and conscious, but why?  Whats the reason for it?

What do you all think?

Is there a meaning to the whole human/life experience?
or
Is it just the probabilistic play out of interactions between molecules and elements, and there is no meaning behind it all, its just the result of probability.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259330 - 11/17/08 10:34 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

no intrinsic meaning


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: demiu5]
    #9259391 - 11/17/08 10:47 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Through human history of many cultures.  Why do they all put so much emphasis of it though?  Why do they value it as the up most important thing.

They all try to do the same thing, and what that is, is trying to figure out what it all means.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259496 - 11/17/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

This is very simple IMO. To find out what it "means" is just a way of looking for permanence. Take a look at ninty five percent of the "meaning" that humans supposedly discover. It all has to do with the continuation of the human being into eternity. This is classice death anxiety IMO.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Icelander]
    #9259533 - 11/17/08 11:17 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

classice = classic Ice response


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259539 - 11/17/08 11:18 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

If only intelligent conscious life recognizes (some say 'creates') meaning, then maybe the general meaning of life is to do so...

There are some common traits like the prolonging of existence or joy/wellbeing and such like these...


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #9259554 - 11/17/08 11:20 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Why does evolution insist on novelty?  It insists on systems becoming more complicated, and getting more complicated at a higher rate of novelty per unit of time.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259566 - 11/17/08 11:21 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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and getting more complicated at a higher rate of novelty per unit of time.




There is no evidence to support this (as per most claims here).


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259579 - 11/17/08 11:24 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, complexity is only favored when it improves chances of reproduction & survival.  Many simple organisms persist to this day in the same form they have (most likely) had since life began.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9259582 - 11/17/08 11:24 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I don't have any conclusive source, but look at technology.  How much has happened in the last 50 years compared to the 1000 years before.  Everything is becoming more complicated at a faster rate than ever before.  This is simply an observation of my experience btw.  Its like were on the brink of discovery all information.  And when we do discover all information, will we learn what it means?  Or if it has a meaning?


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259587 - 11/17/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You're confusing evolution with technological progress.  Actually, technology is not necessarily becoming more complex, either.  Look at the difference between a flash drive & the room-sized supercomputers of the 1960's!


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259625 - 11/17/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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How much has happened in the last 50 years compared to the 1000 years before.



Which has absoultely nothing to do with evolution unless you are totally redefining the word on-the-fly.

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Everything is becoming more complicated at a faster rate than ever before.



Technology is far from everything.

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This is simply an observation of my experience btw.



More like someone recently read some McKenna.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Veritas]
    #9259626 - 11/17/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Whats the difference between technological process and evolutionary progress?

They are both strategies for manipulating our environment in order to stay alive long enough to pass on our genes.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259640 - 11/17/08 11:32 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Evolution is not a strategy, it is an observable biological process.  Technology is intentional and manufactured.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Veritas]
    #9259650 - 11/17/08 11:33 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Technology is a observable biological process.  Look at primate using sticks in order to get termites.  Thats technology and evolutionary in progress.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259678 - 11/17/08 11:36 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The use of tools is an example of a selected trait, whereas the tools themselves are NOT selected traits.  Technology advances through deliberate choices & innovations, with a constant effort towards improvement, whereas evolution progresses very slowly & without across-the-board consistency.  The environmental factors which cause certain random mutations to succeed & others to fail have nothing deliberate about them.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Veritas]
    #9259722 - 11/17/08 11:45 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Okay that was a fucking great argument btw.  Damn lol so true.... But anyways the decision to use tools or not seems to be the evolution of consciousness.  And this is so mysterious because no one really knows what consciousness is, there is no conclusive physical evidence to say what consciousness is(physical process or mental process).  And that goes into philosophical polemic debate of the mind-body problem.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9259763 - 11/17/08 11:53 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Consciousness is only evolving in the sense that our consciousness-hosting equipment (brain) has evolved.  This is to say: VERY slowly.  Our equipment has not changed in hundreds of thousands of years, and neither has our baseline consciousness.

What has changed is our society, and our ability to transmit knowledge. Humans have the opportunity to learn an astonishing array of skills, facts, procedures, etc...including how to enhance their individual consciousness.  This, and not the evolutionary process, is responsible for the occasional (rare) blip on the human consciousness radar screen.

All of this is my opinion, of course, but it is based upon decades of fairly intensive study on these topics, as well as my own experiences.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Veritas]
    #9259811 - 11/17/08 12:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Okay sorry if this is getting off topic, but why?  Why is it that humans are having this explosion of information, and striving to understand it all.  It seems that many animals although conscious, do not have this consciousness that strives for epistemology.  It seems like we are on the cusp of knowing that nature doesn't act randomly at all, in fact nature is made up of cycles and systems.


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Re: What does it all mean? [Re: Veritas]
    #9259846 - 11/17/08 12:09 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Could have been said at a possible GM senate TARP hearings.


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